Why is every Deplorable I know butt hurt at Coke?

[zzyzxroad]

Yea, it's a little weird to put it like that. I mean, the learning appears to be from coca cola because of a logo in top right, but it's hosted on linked in.

I haven't looked it up yet, but anyone know if coca cola has confirmed this is theirs?

If that stuff was pushed by their top executives company wide I would be shocked. Big companies vet the hell of of such trainings. Multiple groups sing off on them including legal.

I don't se any legitimate sources pushing this story so until I do I will assume this is BS.

 

[ch33zw1z]

According to Coke it is not part of their required training.

I'm all for racial bias training, but that messaging would be very counter productive.

Yea, it really is. My employer does a good bit of cultural diversity training, and none of it is like that.

 

[zzyzxroad]

According to Coke it is not part of their required training.

I'm all for racial bias training, but that messaging would be very counter productive.

After a few minutes of digging around this for sure seems to be the case. It looks like they partnered with Robin DiAngelo. Not at all familiar with her and would be helpful to see the entirety of her course before calling her out. Has the full course she put together been posted? Anyone familiar enough with Robin DiAngelo care to share their opinion of Coke picking her as a partner? Is she a whacked out extremists?

Either way the cult once again show how moronic they are in their assumptions. They clearly have zero clue of how things work at large corporations.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Brought to you by Coca Cola

 

[allisolm]

. Regardless, it was hosted, encoruaged by, and offered by them.

According to the link in post 3, which you have shown nothing to challenge, they did not host, encourage or offer that course. Do you have facts that dispute this?

 

[shortylickens]

I mean, the twitter account is called "LeftyMoment" so obviously, it is completely full of shit.
I dont even think its serious propaganda, it looks more like a giant troll and he's really good at what he does.
Normally twitter bans people for repeatedly spreading dangerous lies. Not sure whats going on here.

 

[soulcougher73]

Either way the cult once again show how moronic they are in their assumptions. They clearly have zero clue of how things work. at large corporations.

FTFY. For accuracies sake.

 

[pmv]

Can you imagine the blowback if others were told to be "less" anything? Tell blacks that their natural hair is "too blackish", tell those that speak a different language they are being "too foreign", tell orientals to stop squinting, etc.

According to Ironwing's Snope's link, it's not proven that that slide came from the Coca Cola training program.

I've never been through this, I guess the UK is way behind the curve on such things. But I'm honestly not sure how I'd feel about it if I did. It's not the 'anti racism' that peturbs me, it's the fact that it's corporate. Does _everything_ have to be appropriated by giant corporations, even 'not being racist'? It seems potentially counter-productive, as any message that comes from the boss-class is going to be viewed with suspicion.

PS "orientals"? Wince.

 

[zzyzxroad]

According to Ironwing's Snope's link, it's not proven that that slide came from the Coca Cola training program.

I've never been through this, I guess the UK is way behind the curve on such things. But I'm honestly not sure how I'd feel about it if I did. It's not the 'anti racism' that peturbs me, it's the fact that it's corporate. Does _everything_ have to be appropriated by giant corporations, even 'not being racist'? It seems potentially counter-productive, as any message that comes from the boss-class is going to be viewed with suspicion.

PS "orientals"? Wince.

I am no expert but I believe most European countries are less litigious than the US? The trainings we do in the US are really only about limiting liability.

 

[Torn Mind]

If anything, racism has morphed so that it is bipolar.

On the personal level, the mixed people are the ones who are mostly likely to be lost as they are neither white enough to be white nor black enough to be black. That's the sort acceptance that matters most on a psychological level.

"Reverse racism" is also a rather pathetic term. I prefer "counter racism" as it better indicates why a victimized group may engage in their own racist behaviors.

Slides may or may not be real, but they check out regardless because they are consistent with DeAngelo's message.

In fact, she is very clear in one interview quote that white liberals are included.

White people who see themselves as liberal can be the hardest, the most defensive, the most resistant, the most arrogant in their certitude that it is not them. Their energy will go to making sure you see that it is not them, in all the ways that will have you rolling your eyes.

Robin DiAngelo: How 'white fragility' supports racism and how whites can stop it | CNN

The author of one of the best selling books on racism, Robin DiAngelo tells us about how "white fragility" contributes to racism, and how white people can stop it.

www.cnn.com

So many white people are asking right now is what can I do? And so I'm going to give you five tasks.
The first one is to remove this claim from your vocabulary: "I'm not racist." If you are wondering why on earth, I would ask you to remove that claim then you have some education to do.
The second thing is work on answering this question: What does it mean to be white? Describe how your race shaped every aspect of your life from the moment that you took your first breath. Ask yourself how being white shaped how you see yourself as unique or special or different.
The third is take out a piece of paper and start to make a list in answer to this question: How have I managed to be a full functioning professional adult and not know what to do about racism?
Your list might look something like this: I wasn't educated on racism. I don't talk about racism with the people in my life. I don't talk about racism with people of color. I don't really know any people of color. I haven't really cared to find out. I don't want to feel guilty.
Whatever is on that list is your map and everything on that list can be addressed, not quickly, not easily, but all of it can be addressed.
Next, take Dr. Eddie Moore, Jr.'s "21-Day Racial Equity Habit Building Challenge." It is active and participatory, and it will set you up on an active path that you can continue for the rest of your life.
And number five, you can never understand what you need to understand about racism if you only listen to white people. Read everything you can by people of color, listen to people of color, watch their videos, get Layla Saad's "Me and White Supremacy" workbook and do the work. Turn your attention to hearing what people of color and black people have been telling us for centuries.
It's liberating to start from the premise that there's no way you could have avoided internalizing a racist worldview. It's liberating to understand why you need to stop saying that you're not racist. It opens up everything on this journey.

The response by Coke is clearly out of the PR handbook and exploits the fact that there is no way to fact check the internal workings of a corporation. Thus, the matter is reduced to whose word you believe more. Funny that some people's corporate cynicism goes straight out the window when they say exactly what resonates with them.

 

[MtnMan]

A similar stupidity drives me nuts. The "preferred pronoun" crap.

Until recently I taught at a community college as a part-time gig after I retired. Money was crazy good. There was a format required in our signature on emails for anything we sent out, even down to the font and size. Stuff that makes sense, name, title, office location, phone, etc. There was also a place to list 'your' preferred pronouns.

I recently had the need to exchange emails with people in the county health department in my quest to find out how to schedule my second COVID vaccination. Several of those that did respond had "preferred pronouns listed in their signature line.

 

[zzyzxroad]

A similar stupidity drives me nuts. The "preferred pronoun" crap.

Until recently I taught at a community college as a part-time gig after I retired. Money was crazy good. There was a format required in our signature on emails for anything we sent out, even down to the font and size. Stuff that makes sense, name, title, office location, phone, etc. There was also a place to list 'your' preferred pronouns.

I recently had the need to exchange emails with people in the county health department in my quest to find out how to schedule my second COVID vaccination. Several of those that did respond had "preferred pronouns listed in their signature line.

Maybe because almost all of my interactions are with folks in Corporate America but I have never experience this. My exposure to preferred pronouns is mostly been from complaining about the use of them.

 

[pmv]

If anything, racism has morphed so that it is bipolar.

On the personal level, the mixed people are the ones who are mostly likely to be lost as they are neither white enough to be white nor black enough to be black. That's the sort acceptance that matters most on a psychological level.

"Reverse racism" is also a rather pathetic term. I prefer "counter racism" as it better indicates why a victimized group may engage in their own racist behaviors.

Slides may or may not be real, but they check out regardless because they are consistent with DeAngelo's message.

In fact, she is very clear in one interview quote that white liberals are included.

Robin DiAngelo: How 'white fragility' supports racism and how whites can stop it | CNN

The author of one of the best selling books on racism, Robin DiAngelo tells us about how "white fragility" contributes to racism, and how white people can stop it.

www.cnn.com

The response by Coke is clearly out of the PR handbook and exploits the fact that there is no way to fact check the internal workings of a corporation. Thus, the matter is reduced to whose word you believe more. Funny that some people's corporate cynicism goes straight out the window when they say exactly what resonates with them.

Well I think Snopes's verdict is correct - it's "mixture" and the question of where the slide came from is "undetermined". So really there's no way to come to any conclusion. I can believe that the slide wasn't part of CC's program - in general, corporations are going to tend towards the bland and uncontroversial, and those on the right who want to stir the pot woudln't find it hard to stick CC's logo on the most provocative example of such "training" they could find.

It does raise all sorts of issues that I'm undecided about though. I mean, of course "liberals" can be weak on race. But anyone who takes the corporate dollar, as De Angelo apparently does, is by definition a liberal themselves. There's "liberal" on race politics and "liberal" on class politics, and the two don't have to go together. That's the bit I find hard to wrestle with, that is highlighted by things like "corporate anti-racist training" - the intersection of class and race.

Also, also on a personal level, I slightly agree with you about being 'mixed'. My dad was and it seemed like he never entirely fit in anywhere.

 

[MtnMan]

Maybe because almost all of my interactions are with folks in Corporate America but I have never experience this. My exposure to preferred pronouns is mostly been from complaining about the use of them.

Well they are out there. This is an image from an email I got in response to my quest for my second appointment in January.

 

[zzyzxroad]

Well they are out there. This is an image from an email I got in response to my quest for my second appointment in January.
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Of that I had no doubt. Was just sharing that this isn't common in all settings.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Maybe because almost all of my interactions are with folks in Corporate America but I have never experience this. My exposure to preferred pronouns is mostly been from complaining about the use of them.

Probably because anyone stupid enough to observe such moronic behavior isn't successful in the real world and can't interview worth a shit?

It's precisely the same type of people thst if they don't get a job offer after an interview that their parents will call the call the manager to ask why. Laughable lol.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Also, also on a personal level, I slightly agree with you about being 'mixed'. My dad was and it seemed like he never entirely fit in anywhere.

Because he wasn't a complete imbecile that didn't feel the necessity to segregate himself into an oppressive group? Oh how amazing of him!

 

[HurleyBird]

"Reverse racism" is also a rather pathetic term. I prefer "counter racism" as it better indicates why a victimized group may engage in their own racist behaviours.

I don't think those two quite pair.

Usually when I hear people talking about "reverse racism," it's in the context of institutional discrimination for (as opposed to against) minorities. Eg. affirmative action. In conservative circles, this is often paired with phrases like "racism of low expectations."

When it comes to minorities saying or doing hateful things to majorities, I don't see anyone saying "reverse racism" here. Instead, I see a majority of people who just call it racism, with left-leaning individuals more likely to see mitigating factors, versus a small (but vocal) minority who will say "it's not racism, because racism needs prejudice plus power."

 

[zzyzxroad]

I don't think those two quite pair.

Usually when I hear people talking about "reverse racism," it's in the context of institutional discrimination for (as opposed to against) minorities. Eg. affirmative action. In conservative circles, this is often paired with phrases like "racism of low expectations."

When it comes to minorities saying or doing hateful things to majorities, I don't see anyone saying "reverse racism" here. Instead, I see a majority of people who just call it racism, with left-leaning individuals more likely to see mitigating factors, versus a small (but vocal) minority who will say "it's not racism, because racism needs prejudice plus power."

Good point and this is spot on "versus a small (but vocal) minority who will say "it's not racism, because racism needs prejudice plus power."

Racism exist in all races, is never ok but but the impact from one race to another isn't the same.

 

[shortylickens]

Good point and this is spot on "versus a small (but vocal) minority who will say "it's not racism, because racism needs prejudice plus power."

Racism exist in all races, is never ok but but the impact from one race to another isn't the same.

Yeah I recall a while back the Seattle public school system changed racism to say that its only held by whites. But they eventually gave up on that.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

I've been to a number of these trainings here the deep blue San Fran and all but one have actually been extremely interesting and engaging sessions on looking beyond the external appearance of others and trying to see your coworkers as unique individuals, not stereotypes.

The one really bad training devolved into an insane "hate whitey" session on the part of the instructor and the rest of us (white or otherwise) filed complaints with the training department. The instructor was let go shortly thereafter.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I've been to a number of these trainings here the deep blue San Fran and all but one have actually been extremely interesting and engaging sessions on looking beyond the external appearance of others and trying to see your coworkers as unique individuals, not stereotypes.

The one really bad training devolved into an insane "hate whitey" session on the part of the instructor and the rest of us (white or otherwise) filed complaints with the training department. The instructor was let go shortly thereafter.

As I've aged, I have concluded that stereotypes, as humorous as they can be, are a terrible thing. It allows us to put people into a box based on often poorly chosen criteria. They're very damaging to society.

I've found most of this type of training very engaging and enlightening as well. I watched one session a few times, it was about high context vs low context cultures, because it was presented in a way that made you think.

This type of training can be really productive for people who can challenge themselves thru self reflection. I used to think people can't change, but I think they can. It's just difficult for many.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Well they are out there. This is an image from an email I got in response to my quest for my second appointment in January.
View attachment 40322

Yea, I dunno what the problem is. I don't get too bent up about the pronoun thing. I find it an interesting change in society.

 

[Toastedlightly]

Does anyone have a full copy of the presentation? Its hard to make judgement without the full context.

 

[NTMBK]

It's because they associate "coke" with Cocaine Mitch, and they're really mad with that guy