Phoenix86
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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: aidanjm
I agree with you on the cows thing - they are gentle, likeable creatures. Different cows have distinct personalities - some cows are adventurous, some are clever and inquisitive, some are gentle and shy. There is always one cow in every hurd that is smarter than the rest - this is the cow that will work out how to undo the gate latch with her horns, and lead the others to fresh pasture when she decides the time is right. I grew up on a beef farm, which is why I don't eat meat.
What the hell is a hurd?
Nice edit, but I'll be nice and won't bust your ass about the horns.
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you wrote "Cows are not like lions or tigers, they are not fierce and malicious. Killing and eating tigers should be okay-- they deserve it at least. "
explain to me how lions or tigers are malicious...umm hello they are predators....they eat other animals
they are built to efficiently hunt and eat prey...usually herbivores..there is nothing malicious about what they do..
didnt you ever learn the whole cycle of life thing...maybe you need to watch the Lion King.....
explain to me how lions or tigers are malicious...umm hello they are predators....they eat other animals
they are built to efficiently hunt and eat prey...usually herbivores..there is nothing malicious about what they do..
didnt you ever learn the whole cycle of life thing...maybe you need to watch the Lion King.....
JulesMaximus
No Lifer
- Jul 3, 2003
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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: aidanjm
I agree with you on the cows thing - they are gentle, likeable creatures. Different cows have distinct personalities - some cows are adventurous, some are clever and inquisitive, some are gentle and shy. There is always one cow in every hurd that is smarter than the rest - this is the cow that will work out how to undo the gate latch with her horns, and lead the others to fresh pasture when she decides the time is right. I grew up on a beef farm, which is why I don't eat meat.
Cows don't have horns genius. And what the hell is a hurd?
a hurd is a revolutionary kernel being developed by the GNU/ free software people. IT will eventually replace Torvald's 'linux' kernel.
a herd (in this context) is a group of cows.
I skipped my meds this morning, which possibly explains why I mixed the two up.
And yes, some cows do have horns. Altho many (most?) farmer will de-horn their cows/ calves to reduce chance of being skewered by an irritated cow.
Some do. I've never seen one though.
Decided to google it after I posted just to check. I admit, I was wrong.
The predator theory fails on certain animals, like gators, which are eaten without disgust. Well, not MUCH disgust, anyway.
What about now? I don't think farmers plow their fields using his horse anymore, unless he is amish.
So why don't we eat horses now? Because we've developed a relationship with them through riding and befriending them. Just as we have done with cats and dogs minus the riding part.
and you still havent addressed why people in asia continue to eat so called "predatory animals" while we in the west dont.
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: aidanjm
I agree with you on the cows thing - they are gentle, likeable creatures. Different cows have distinct personalities - some cows are adventurous, some are clever and inquisitive, some are gentle and shy. There is always one cow in every hurd that is smarter than the rest - this is the cow that will work out how to undo the gate latch with her horns, and lead the others to fresh pasture when she decides the time is right. I grew up on a beef farm, which is why I don't eat meat.
Cows don't have horns genius. And what the hell is a hurd?
a hurd is a revolutionary kernel being developed by the GNU/ free software people. IT will eventually replace Torvald's 'linux' kernel.
a herd (in this context) is a group of cows.
I skipped my meds this morning, which possibly explains why I mixed the two up.
And yes, some cows do have horns. Altho many (most?) farmer will de-horn their cows/ calves to reduce chance of being skewered by an irritated cow.
Some do. I've never seen one though.
Decided to google it after I posted just to check. I admit, I was wrong.
Time to head to the san diego zoo!!
Vincent: How about a dog? Dogs eats its own feces.
Jules: I don't eat dog either.
Vincent: Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal?
Jules: I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy but they're definitely dirty. But, a dog's got personality. Personality goes a long way.
Vincent: Ah, so by that rationale, if a pig had a better personality, he would cease to be a filthy animal. Is that true?
Jules: Well we'd have to be talkin' about one charmin' motherfuckin' pig. I mean he'd have to be ten times more charmin' than that Arnold on Green Acres, you know what I'm sayin'?
Jules: I don't eat dog either.
Vincent: Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal?
Jules: I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy but they're definitely dirty. But, a dog's got personality. Personality goes a long way.
Vincent: Ah, so by that rationale, if a pig had a better personality, he would cease to be a filthy animal. Is that true?
Jules: Well we'd have to be talkin' about one charmin' motherfuckin' pig. I mean he'd have to be ten times more charmin' than that Arnold on Green Acres, you know what I'm sayin'?
I don't buy the predator thing.
we grind up cows, chickens, pigs and feed them to cows, chicken and pigs.
You could argue that's man's doing and not nature but they ahve no problem eating them.
for me I like it. cows eat grinded up cows. that's double the beef.
we grind up cows, chickens, pigs and feed them to cows, chicken and pigs.
You could argue that's man's doing and not nature but they ahve no problem eating them.
for me I like it. cows eat grinded up cows. that's double the beef.
gsellis
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There are some smells that you can remember. I would not eat dog because:
A) I don't eat pets.
B) The smell of roasting dog is farking awful. I lived in the Philippines when I was 3-5. I remember when the old kids in the neighborhood captured, beat to death with a board with nails in it, skinned and gutted, and roasted a dog. I did not like them killing the dog, but that did not bother me like the smell. There are times I smell something like it and it makes me just go - EWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!
A) I don't eat pets.
B) The smell of roasting dog is farking awful. I lived in the Philippines when I was 3-5. I remember when the old kids in the neighborhood captured, beat to death with a board with nails in it, skinned and gutted, and roasted a dog. I did not like them killing the dog, but that did not bother me like the smell. There are times I smell something like it and it makes me just go - EWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!
AFAIK it is against the law to do that now.Originally posted by: herkulease
I don't buy the predator thing.
we grind up cows, chickens, pigs and feed them to cows, chicken and pigs.
You could argue that's man's doing and not nature but they ahve no problem eating them.
for me I like it. cows eat grinded up cows. that's double the beef.
Or they're looking into legislation regarding it, or something.
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Underlying evolutionary factors or not, modern civilization views dogs as household pets. To many people they are replacements for children and are pampered as such. They don't do that with pigs, they don't do that with rabbits, they don't do that with cows. None of these animals *typically* sleep in your home or even in your own bed.
The reason we don't eat a lot of the "predators" anymore is because they are in rare numbers. We have laws that limit the times we can hunt predators (with the exception of coyotes) if we are even allowed to hunt them at all.
How many lions are there to gazelle? How many pumas are there to wild pigs?
Plus with most predators, the amount of food you must feed them vs. what you get in return just doesn't pay off. They consume far more than they provide.
But in this age, it still comes down to societal taboos. In this country, and many civilized countries, it's a taboo to eat dogs. We just are too emotially attached to them.
The reason we don't eat a lot of the "predators" anymore is because they are in rare numbers. We have laws that limit the times we can hunt predators (with the exception of coyotes) if we are even allowed to hunt them at all.
How many lions are there to gazelle? How many pumas are there to wild pigs?
Plus with most predators, the amount of food you must feed them vs. what you get in return just doesn't pay off. They consume far more than they provide.
But in this age, it still comes down to societal taboos. In this country, and many civilized countries, it's a taboo to eat dogs. We just are too emotially attached to them.
Number1
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- Feb 24, 2006
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Most people would not have cows, pigs, chickens or turkeys as pets because they simply would not be good pets to have around in or around the house. On the other hand, dogs and cats are sized right for our houses, have personalities, can be easily trained, are excellent company and display unconditional love to us humans.
It's a no brainer. We developed strong relationship with our pets and that is why we don't eat them.
Unfortunately for the cows, pigs, chickens and turkeys, we, as human being need to eat. In other countries not as fortunate as ours, they also eat dogs and cats because other meat is not always available. When you are poor, you?ll eat anything. Over the years, eating dogs and cats then becomes a routine part of life and you learn not to become attached to them.
It's a no brainer. We developed strong relationship with our pets and that is why we don't eat them.
Unfortunately for the cows, pigs, chickens and turkeys, we, as human being need to eat. In other countries not as fortunate as ours, they also eat dogs and cats because other meat is not always available. When you are poor, you?ll eat anything. Over the years, eating dogs and cats then becomes a routine part of life and you learn not to become attached to them.
I think a lot of it has to do with perception, like what a lot of people have already said. Its similar to all these campaigns to save baby seals and what not because they are cuter than other animals, even though their imporatance may not be.
Also another argument is that is very efficient to process beef versus other meats. Probably a lot more than smaller more individualistic animals.
Also another argument is that is very efficient to process beef versus other meats. Probably a lot more than smaller more individualistic animals.
Dee67
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Here a question: Wouldnt you rather eat your dog that has passed away, knowing that s/he lived a fulfilling and happy life, or what you rather eat a cow/chicken/pig/etc. that lived a short life and was raised in a barn with no windows and artificial fattening supplements, and was tortured before its death?
BTW, Im not a vegetarian
BTW, Im not a vegetarian
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