why is circumcision not child abuse?

[HAL9000]

Because it has some legitimate medical reasons to have it done. So pre-emptively having it done for a child could be beneficial.

 

[OutHouse]

Because it has some legitimate medical reasons to have it done. So pre-emptively having it done for a child could be beneficial.

what are they?

 

[Doboji]

what are they?

Easier to clean... adheres to religion. More Blow jobs.

Oh and I'm pretty sure there's a study out there somewhere that links blow jobs to mental health or long life or something along those lines.

What are the downsides to circumcision?

 

[HAL9000]

what are they?

Some people can't have sex due to a tight foreskin, in order to fix that they need a circumcision, it happens to 1% of men.

 

[TheVrolok]

I'm cut... I'm Jewish. I got my son cut religiously. If the religion is true... my son is part of the Jewish people, and is in line with the commandments and so forth. If the religion is not true.. there are no adverse effects. And either way he's more likely to get laid more, get more BJs and it's easier to clean thereby less likely to get infections and so on.

What's the downside?

There absolutely are downsides. The scar is one clear downside, it's so common that the circumcision scar on the penis is usually seen as normal, but it isn't, obviously. Due to the scarring skin tags and skin tunnels are very common, and while they don't often cause any medical problems, they can be aesthetically displeasing to the owner. In addition, there are some sexual dysfunctions; one of the purposes of the foreskin is for protection of the glans, without it, the glands is subject to more wear and tear and can become somewhat keratinized or hardened thus reducing its sensitivity. Also, a common side effect of circumcision is partial and sometimes complete inadvertent resection of the frenulum which is one of the most sensitive parts of the penis; again reducing overall sensitivity.

Are these make or break downsides? Nope. Most circumcised men don't even realize they have these "problems" as they've never known any different. Most circumcised men lead a completely normal sexual satisfying life, it just may have been more satisfying had they not had a circumcision. It's one of those "you can't miss what you never had" issues.

 

[dpodblood]

Masturbation is a sin, and since circumcision helps reduce masturbation rates, then circumcision must be good.

Go read up on John Harvey Kellogg sometime, and his opinions on human sexuality, its kinda sickening.

LOL...

 

[dpodblood]

Besides studies showing being cut contributes to sexual dysfunction later in life, cut men take longer to get aroused, and stay aroused less then uncut, its more difficult for cut men to stay aroused while wearing a condom,,,,,,,.

Yes, you should care. While your having to take viagra later in life, I'll be tapping that butty without the help of drugs.

LOL...

 

[Doboji]

There absolutely are downsides. The scar is one clear downside, it's so common that the circumcision scar on the penis is usually seen as normal, but it isn't, obviously. Due to the scarring skin tags and skin tunnels are very common, and while they don't often cause any medical problems, they can be aesthetically displeasing to the owner. In addition, there are some sexual dysfunctions; one of the purposes of the foreskin is for protection of the glans, without it, the glands is subject to more wear and tear and can become somewhat keratinized or hardened thus reducing its sensitivity. Also, a common side effect of circumcision is partial and sometimes complete inadvertent resection of the frenulum which is one of the most sensitive parts of the penis; again reducing overall sensitivity.

Are these make or break downsides? Nope. Most circumcised men don't even realize they have these "problems" as they've never known any different. Most circumcised men lead a completely normal sexual satisfying life, it just may have been more satisfying had they not had a circumcision. It's one of those "you can't miss what you never had" issues.

Hold on a second let me look....

Nope no unsightly scar, or skin tags, or skin tunnels...

Rubbing on the glands...

feels good. Sexual functions seem to be in order.

Remembering last night with my wife...

Blow job was solid... sexual experience excellent.

Nope I don't see any evidence of the downsides you're talking about. I suppose I should thank god for inventing underwear to protect my glands?

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Another one of these threads?

its been awhile.

 

[Farmer]

Whether you want to hack away at your genitals with a knife or not is a personal decision.

Honestly, reading these posts, people love having flesh removed from their penis, and the girls love it too! More power to you! I mean, even after removing copious amounts of flesh, people can still feel it fine when their wives suck on their dicks! Amazing! This has gotta be a good thing. Just be careful not to saw the whole damn thing off, uh oh! D:

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Easier to clean... adheres to religion. More Blow jobs.

invalid assumption
invalid assumption
invalid conclusion

Fail.

 

[Doboji]

invalid assumption
invalid assumption
invalid conclusion

Fail.

Argument not found.

Appropriate retort.

Uh-huh!

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Argument not found.

Appropriate retort.

Uh-huh!

exactly .... argument not found. assumptions followed by an unrelated conclusion isn't any kind of argument.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Some people can't have sex due to a tight foreskin, in order to fix that they need a circumcision, it happens to 1% of men.

wouldn't this be the equivalent of pulling all your teeth after the first cavity.....you know just in case?

 

[HAL9000]

wouldn't this be the equivalent of pulling all your teeth after the first cavity.....you know just in case?

Hey I'm not saying do it, I'm just saying there are legitimate medical reasons for having a circumcision, whether or not to pre-emptively have it done to a child is up to the parent.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Some people can't have sex due to a tight foreskin, in order to fix that they need a circumcision, it happens to 1% of men.

In the developed world we have a cream that can help that...

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Hey I'm not saying do it, I'm just saying there are legitimate medical reasons for having a circumcision, whether or not to pre-emptively have it done to a child is up to the parent.

Maybe we should remove babies colon's at birth too. Lot of men get colon cancer later in life.

Women should have their breasts lopped off to because that would resolve breast cancer issues as well.

 

[TheVrolok]

Hold on a second let me look....

Nope no unsightly scar, or skin tags, or skin tunnels...

Rubbing on the glands...

feels good. Sexual functions seem to be in order.

Remembering last night with my wife...

Blow job was solid... sexual experience excellent.

Nope I don't see any evidence of the downsides you're talking about. I suppose I should thank god for inventing underwear to protect my glands?

It seems like you're taking what I said as an attack, and it isn't that. You simply aren't acknowledging the fact that there are downsides, regardless of how slight they are.

You DO have a scar. Period, there is no way around it. However, since circumcision is the normal, the scar is also the norm, and why there isn't really an abnormality/negative issues associated with having it. Take a look at the picture of the circumcised penis in the Wikipedia article on circumcision; there's nothing "wrong" with the way it looks at all, but the circumcision scar is obvious.

Skin tags/tunnels, like anything, vary person to person. I don't have any tags, and I have one, maybe two incredibly minor tunnels, so slight that none of my sexual partners have ever noticed them, and really they're only noticeable when using a magnifying glass or pulling the skin taught and getting absurdly close; however, they are there. I've also never had any problems that can be associated with them like pruritis associated with infection, smegma buildup, etc. Again, I'm not saying that everyone will have these, but they ARE a risk, and they DO happen to varying degree frequently.

As far as the glans, and sexual sensitivity experience; you have to realize how completely subjective the entire discussion is. Like I said originally, I'm circumcised and I've never had any problems with sexual activity. I love it, best feeling in the world. Oral sex? Incredible. What I am saying, is that you, or your son, may (will) have some slight keratinization of the glans, and may have had some (again, to a varying degree) of his frenulum removed. By those facts alone, you DO have decreased sensitivity, period. Enough to have an impact sexually? Again, like I said earlier, no probably not .. it's simply impossible to "miss what you never had in the first place."

So to ignore these facts, and claim that there are NO downsides is simply ignorant and you are lying, outright, to yourself.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Maybe we should remove babies colon's at birth too. Lot of men get colon cancer later in life.

Women should have their breasts lopped off to because that would resolve breast cancer issues as well.

You are a monster.

 

[Doboji]

exactly .... argument not found. assumptions followed by an unrelated conclusion isn't any kind of argument.

You need to go relearn what a logical argument is.

Allow me to re-state my logical argument.

Assumption one: It is easier to clean an Uncircumcised penis
Assumption two: If a penis is easier to clean, it will be more likely to be cleaned
Assumption two: Cleaner penises are less likely to get infected
Conclusion: Circumcised penises are less likely to be infected than uncircumcised penises

Assumption one: Women prefer to suck on circumcised penises
Assumption two: Women suck on penises they prefer more often than penises they don't
Conclusion: An uncircumcised penis is more likely to be sucked on by a woman.

Assumption one: Jewish law demands that the male son be circumcised when they are 8 days old
Assumption two: Following Jewish law and the commandments is considered to be a good thing according to Judaism
Conclusion: Circumcising your male son at 8 days old is considered a good thing according to judaism.

Assumption one: I have absolutely no discernible negative effects of having been circumcised myself
Assumption two: I am experiencing the benefits of the above mentioned arguments.
Conclusion: I can get my son circumcised if I fucking want to and you need to mind your own damn business. If you don't want to circumcise your son.... then don't. Don't bother me with your groundless baseless drivel.

Fuck you very much

Any questions?

 

[TheVrolok]

Assumption one: It is easier to clean an Uncircumcised penis
Assumption two: If a penis is easier to clean, it will be more likely to be cleaned
Assumption two: Cleaner penises are less likely to get infected
Conclusion: Circumcised penises are less likely to be infected than uncircumcised penises

It would be easier to clean female external genitalia if all her labia were resected, should it be done? (I mean, really, there are an infinite amount of analogies that could be made here)

Assumption one: Women prefer to suck on circumcised penises
Assumption two: Women suck on penises they prefer more often than penises they don't
Conclusion: An uncircumcised penis is more likely to be sucked on by a woman.

While I have some similar anecdotal evidence regarding women in the US, it's still merely anecdotal; and considering how uncircumcised Europe is, I can't imagine you believe that Europeans are getting less head.

Assumption one: Jewish law demands that the male son be circumcised when they are 8 days old
Assumption two: Following Jewish law and the commandments is considered to be a good thing according to Judaism
Conclusion: Circumcising your male son at 8 days old is considered a good thing according to judaism.

Completely valid argument, and IMHO, your only completely valid argument. The detriments of circumcision aren't (in the vast, vast majority of cases) severe enough for me to intervene in your religious practice.

Assumption one: I have absolutely no discernible negative effects of having been circumcised myself
Assumption two: I am experiencing the benefits of the above mentioned arguments.
Conclusion: I can get my son circumcised if I fucking want to and you need to mind your own damn business. If you don't want to circumcise your son.... then don't. Don't bother me with your groundless baseless drivel.

I've already covered, or uncovered, this.

Fuck you very much

Any questions?

You seem like you're taking this as a personal attack, are you?

 

[HAL9000]

In the developed world we have a cream that can help that...

No we don't.

Maybe we should remove babies colon's at birth too. Lot of men get colon cancer later in life.

Women should have their breasts lopped off to because that would resolve breast cancer issues as well.

Can you even have your colon removed with few side effects

I'm not on the pro-child-circumcision team here, I'm just saying there are legitimate reasons for having it done, and that's why it's not child abuse. It's such a rare thing for kids to be circumcised AFAIK anyway so I don't see the issue, if the odd parent want's to have it done based on their own experience then I say why not.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

You need to go relearn what a logical argument is.

Allow me to re-state my logical argument.

Fact one: Jewish law demands that the male son be circumcised when they are 8 days old
Fact two: Following Jewish law and the commandments is considered to be a good thing according to Judaism
Conclusion: Circumcising your male son at 8 days old is considered a good thing according to judaism.

There that's better. This is a good argument for the 13.3 million Jews on the planet. However it doesn't apply to the other 5.99 billion non-jews.

. Don't bother me with your groundless baseless drivel.

would a series of laughable assumptions be included in that category?

 

[IceBergSLiM]

It would be easier to clean female external genitalia if all her labia were resected, should it be done? (I mean, really, there are an infinite amount of analogies that could be made here)

I still don't follow this ....cleaning is cleaning. I dont' understand how washing a dong is any easier or more difficult. Things like not having fingers, hands, arms, water or soap would make cleaning a dong difficult. I don't see where circumsion impacts cleaning at all.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

No we don't.

Can you even have your colon removed with few side effects

It happens and people live with it