why is circumcision not child abuse?

[JulesMaximus]

Its not abuse as it does have medical advantages that have been shown.

In some cases it may be needed/required and some its optional like I still have my wisdom teeth as they don't hurt so I left them. But for others they really need to come out.

My son was not cut as there was no medical reason to do it or not do it. If he needs it when he gets older so be it.

Now we know you, OP, think about cocks all day long and need threads like this to express your love for the cock. But stop worring about peoples cocks and just love the cock you have and any other cock that is offered to you.

That is debatable.

 

[SandEagle]

chill out dud. only uncut guys can get so worked up about nothing. now cut it out.

 

[bignateyk]

Let me just give you a tip:

These threads never deliver the satisfaction you really want...

 

[Kirby]

because you touch yourself at night

 

[joesmoke]

<snip>

your post was getting long, so i figured this would prevent folks getting too sensitive about it

 

[Texashiker]

Link to these studies?

Google it yourself.

Or better yet, talk to a nurse that does STD counseling. Talk to the nurse about the ratio of uncut men who complain about condoms, as compared to cut men. I am pretty sure your going to fund that cut men have more problems with condoms then uncut.

 

[zerocool84]

Don't forget about that other thread we had a while ago that circumcised people are less likely to get an STD.

 

[OCGuy]

Google it yourself.

Or better yet, talk to a nurse that does STD counseling.

Nope, you made a claim, it is on you to prove it.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Women prefer cut.

/thread

Then women all over the world must only prefer Jewish and American men. Because if you have ever traveled OUTSIDE the USA, the vast majority of men are UN-cut.

Keep that in mind next time you travel to Spain, Germany, or Sweden, etc. and the woman you've successfully gotten into bed gasps at your cut member in shock.

 

[OCGuy]

Then women all over the world must only prefer Jewish and American men. Because if you have ever traveled OUTSIDE the USA, the vast majority of men are UN-cut.

Keep that in mind next time you travel to Spain, Germany, or Sweden, etc. and the woman you've successfully gotten into bed gasps at your cut member in shock.

Actually your "gasping" scenario probably wouldnt happen. One of our biggest exports is pornography, so I am guessing foriegners are used to seeing clean..i mean...cut penises.

 

[Texashiker]

Nope, you made a claim, it is on you to prove it.

Results are mixed - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_effects_of_circumcision#Erectile_function

http://www.circs.org/index.php/Library/Fink

From talking to my friends, those that are cut have a difficult time maintain an erection while wearing a condom.

 

[OCGuy]

Results are mixed - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_effects_of_circumcision#Erectile_function

LOL

 

[surfsatwerk]

Then women all over the world must only prefer Jewish and American men. Because if you have ever traveled OUTSIDE the USA, the vast majority of men are UN-cut.

Keep that in mind next time you travel to Spain, Germany, or Sweden, etc. and the woman you've successfully gotten into bed gasps at your cut member in shock.

Yeah that doesn't happen, at least in my experience with women abroad.

 

[SandEagle]

your post was getting long, so i figured this would prevent folks getting too sensitive about it

knock it off

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

Results are mixed - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_effects_of_circumcision#Erectile_function

http://www.circs.org/index.php/Library/Fink

From talking to my friends, those that are cut have a difficult time maintain an erection while wearing a condom.

Correlation is not causation.

 

[blinblue]

From my understanding, the research shows there may be some medical benefits to circumcision at birth (reduced risk to HIV perhaps), and not much in the way of medical downsides. Basically it seems like it doesn't really matter much one way or the other.

The reason some people get so uppity about that they have been circumcised near birth, and the debate about it being child abuse implies that their parents abused them. And I'd imagine the majority of circumcised men don't mind that they were circumcised (perhaps even prefer it that way).

I really have a hard time seeing it as child abuse, but at the same time it doesn't really seem like there are many substantial (if any) benefits. So that said, I wouldn't circumcise any of my potential baby boys, but I'm not bother by people who do.


Also, it doesn't help that many of the studies done only consider males who were circumcised during adulthood, which doesn't even enter into the debate about circumcised babies unless they can prove the results are the same regardless of the age of circumcision.

 

[Vette73]

Correlation is not causation.

Circumcision cuts STD risk, major study shows
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/1559375...circumcision-cuts-std-risk-major-study-shows/

This was a 25 year study that had 2 differant groups.

Heres more...
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/circumcision.htm


I still don't think its enough to get my son cut as we live in a lowwer rate country, not africa or other places, and I will hopfully teach him to use condoms and not take to many dumb/wild chances.

 

[GTaudiophile]

My point is that circumcision, taken from a global perspective, is the exception, not the norm.

 

[TheVrolok]

No girl is gonna take off your pants and see.. oh foreskin, gross! and then proceed to put the pants back on and not give head. If so, that girl is too retarded to be slobbering over my peenor anyways.

Many, many girls I've spoken with are "freaked out" by an uncut penis. Is it logical? Nope. Is it a valid concern? Nope. But since when did women need either of those things to "freak out."

From talking to my friends, those that are cut have a difficult time maintain an erection while wearing a condom.

I find myself having difficulty maintaining an erection with a condom from time to time (especially so if it's a thicker style condom), and I would be foolish if I didn't believe that my being cut has at least some part to do with it. It's still anecdotal, but I think it's a valid correlation.

Circumcision cuts STD risk, major study shows
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/1559375...circumcision-cuts-std-risk-major-study-shows/

From the article:
The American Academy of Pediatrics has called the evidence "complex and conflicting," and therefore concludes that, at present, the evidence is insufficient to support routine neonatal circumcision.

In a properly cleaned individual the risks steadily decline. Is this some benefit? Probably, but I would guess it's very marginal vs the risk for side effects from circumcision.


I hope society grows up a bit and stops the practice. I can't say I'm strongly against it as I'm very minimally affected by my circumcision, but given the choice, I wouldn't have done it. I just don't see the risk vs benefit coming out ahead for circumcision.

 

[Xcobra]

lol...chill guys. it's just penises...

 

[dank69]

This topic hurts my head.

 

[Vette73]

Many, many girls I've spoken with are "freaked out" by an uncut penis. Is it logical? Nope. Is it a valid concern? Nope. But since when did women need either of those things to "freak out."



I find myself having difficulty maintaining an erection with a condom from time to time (especially so if it's a thicker style condom), and I would be foolish if I didn't believe that my being cut has at least some part to do with it. It's still anecdotal, but I think it's a valid correlation.



From the article:
The American Academy of Pediatrics has called the evidence "complex and conflicting," and therefore concludes that, at present, the evidence is insufficient to support routine neonatal circumcision.

In a properly cleaned individual the risks steadily decline. Is this some benefit? Probably, but I would guess it's very marginal vs the risk for side effects from circumcision.


I hope society grows up a bit and stops the practice. I can't say I'm strongly against it as I'm very minimally affected by my circumcision, but given the choice, I wouldn't have done it. I just don't see the risk vs benefit coming out ahead for circumcision.

Thats the big part. If you are white, have at least average income or better, and educated the rate of STDs is much lowwer in the US.

But other places in the world and those that are poorer/less educated the rates are higher and it may be better for them.

Thats why for most reading this thread its not really needed. But for many others in the US and around the world it could help. As such my son is uncut.

 

[corwin]

WAAAHHHHH!!!!! Give me my foreskin back!!!!!!!

 

[amddude]

Let the kid decide. If it's so difficult to him to get sex down the road, he can get it cut then.

 

[Doboji]

I'm cut... I'm Jewish. I got my son cut religiously. If the religion is true... my son is part of the Jewish people, and is in line with the commandments and so forth. If the religion is not true.. there are no adverse effects. And either way he's more likely to get laid more, get more BJs and it's easier to clean thereby less likely to get infections and so on.

What's the downside?