Why is Castro
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I've always wondered this to.
maybe it was because he came to power long before I was born, but I've never quite understood what he did to make him so villified (well, ok, cuban missile crisis, but that was ages ago)
maybe it was because he came to power long before I was born, but I've never quite understood what he did to make him so villified (well, ok, cuban missile crisis, but that was ages ago)
MAW1082
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Because Castro stands for one thing:
Taking matters into one's own hands.
Castro overthrew a corrupt government and attempted to create an egalitarian by himself. He did not try to do it democratically. He did not try to do it beaurocratically. He did it by himself. Castro stands as an example to every man, woman and child in the world who feels overwhelmed by the world around him. Castro, a single man, created a revolution that swept away the seemingly overwhelmingly powerful regime of Batista and his U.S. partner and created a new society.
Castro is not only 'evil.' Castro is dangerous. The idea of Castro is dangerous. The ideas of Castro are dangerous. Everything about Castro is dangerous.
Taking matters into one's own hands.
Castro overthrew a corrupt government and attempted to create an egalitarian by himself. He did not try to do it democratically. He did not try to do it beaurocratically. He did it by himself. Castro stands as an example to every man, woman and child in the world who feels overwhelmed by the world around him. Castro, a single man, created a revolution that swept away the seemingly overwhelmingly powerful regime of Batista and his U.S. partner and created a new society.
Castro is not only 'evil.' Castro is dangerous. The idea of Castro is dangerous. The ideas of Castro are dangerous. Everything about Castro is dangerous.
1) Castro has done what few other dictators have accomplished. He told the US to kiss his arse. We supported an invasion. He triumped. We tried to kill him. He triumphed. We tried an embargo. He triumphed.
We don't like to lose. So if Castro is still in power, despite our best (worst) efforts . . . it's not enough to say we don't like him . . . he has to be evil.
2) Castro's particular flavor of politics compelled a lot of Cubans to leave. Castro also directly compelled a lot of them to leave. Hundreds of thousands of Cuban-Americans now occupy south Florida. They are one of the most rabid and formidable voting blocks in America. And they are more than willing to vote on one issue . . . Castro's Cuba.
3) Castro gets the blame for starting the Cuban missile crisis. For some odd reason, the US government believed it could plant nuclear missiles throughout Europe/Turkey (next to the USSR) and even attempt coups against Cuba . . . without any response.
It's a debatable argument but IMHO if there's no Bay of Pigs . . . there's no Cuban Missile Crisis. I've even read the US forces staged a mock invasion of a Caribbean Island in 1962 to overthrow a leader named Ortsac.
We don't like to lose. So if Castro is still in power, despite our best (worst) efforts . . . it's not enough to say we don't like him . . . he has to be evil.
2) Castro's particular flavor of politics compelled a lot of Cubans to leave. Castro also directly compelled a lot of them to leave. Hundreds of thousands of Cuban-Americans now occupy south Florida. They are one of the most rabid and formidable voting blocks in America. And they are more than willing to vote on one issue . . . Castro's Cuba.
3) Castro gets the blame for starting the Cuban missile crisis. For some odd reason, the US government believed it could plant nuclear missiles throughout Europe/Turkey (next to the USSR) and even attempt coups against Cuba . . . without any response.
It's a debatable argument but IMHO if there's no Bay of Pigs . . . there's no Cuban Missile Crisis. I've even read the US forces staged a mock invasion of a Caribbean Island in 1962 to overthrow a leader named Ortsac.
The Saudis have done that and we support them. Not to mention a zillion other monarchies, the Communist Chinese government, the military dictatorships in god knows how many other countries..the list goes on.
Two words: communist dictator. Did you really have to ask?
Communists, dicatators and democracy, have not typically been good bedfellows over the years, but Aimster, I completely understand your question. After all, how dare we judge Castro, when we have our own nut job running the USA?
Ever wondered how come a lot of US Cubans are crooks? When the US said it would welcome any Cuban who made it to US soil Castro went to the prisons and gave them the choice: Either sit out their time, or move to the US instead
Most of the Cubans who moved to the US are thieves, murderers and rapists.
Most of the Cubans who moved to the US are thieves, murderers and rapists.
Siddhartha
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Castro is a commie.
It is hard to describe how intense a case of the Red Scare the US had in the last half of the 20th century. Having a communist country right on the US's border was a nightmiare during the 1960's.
It is hard to describe how intense a case of the Red Scare the US had in the last half of the 20th century. Having a communist country right on the US's border was a nightmiare during the 1960's.
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Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
Ever wondered how come a lot of US Cubans are crooks? When the US said it would welcome any Cuban who made it to US soil Castro went to the prisons and gave them the choice: Either sit out their time, or move to the US instead
Most of the Cubans who moved to the US are thieves, murderers and rapists.
Smoe are. do not tarnish a nationality because of what Castro did to solve his problem and create a PITA for the US.
He emptied the prisons of the low level scum when he had a chance.
There were people (educated) that left Cuba when Castro took over and confiscated their lands. And there are still people that attempt to leave Cuba by what means they can do so in order to have what they feel is a better life.
Cuban society is Communist; The haves and the have nots. The haves get to intermingle with the tourists and live fairly well off. They are the ones that are promoted to the media.
The have nots are the ones that are abused and many continue to try to leave. Some of the have nots are also used as ransom hostages to those that have escaped the system but try to assist those that were left behind.
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
Ever wondered how come a lot of US Cubans are crooks? When the US said it would welcome any Cuban who made it to US soil Castro went to the prisons and gave them the choice: Either sit out their time, or move to the US instead
Most of the Cubans who moved to the US are thieves, murderers and rapists.
Smoe are. do not tarnish a nationality because of what Castro did to solve his problem and create a PITA for the US.
He emptied the prisons of the low level scum when he had a chance.
There were people (educated) that left Cuba when Castro took over and confiscated their lands. And there are still people that attempt to leave Cuba by what means they can do so in order to have what they feel is a better life.
Cuban society is Communist; The haves and the have nots. The haves get to intermingle with the tourists and live fairly well off. They are the ones that are promoted to the media.
The have nots are the ones that are abused and many continue to try to leave. Some of the have nots are also used as ransom hostages to those that have escaped the system but try to assist those that were left behind.
He never said that there weren't educated Cubans in the US. He never said "all cubans" had criminal back grounds.
Enough with the political correctness, we don't even know who you are.
Prove that last one!Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
Ever wondered how come a lot of US Cubans are crooks? When the US said it would welcome any Cuban who made it to US soil Castro went to the prisons and gave them the choice: Either sit out their time, or move to the US instead
Most of the Cubans who moved to the US are thieves, murderers and rapists.
Smoe are. do not tarnish a nationality because of what Castro did to solve his problem and create a PITA for the US.
He emptied the prisons of the low level scum when he had a chance.
There were people (educated) that left Cuba when Castro took over and confiscated their lands. And there are still people that attempt to leave Cuba by what means they can do so in order to have what they feel is a better life.
Cuban society is Communist; The haves and the have nots. The haves get to intermingle with the tourists and live fairly well off. They are the ones that are promoted to the media.
The have nots are the ones that are abused and many continue to try to leave. Some of the have nots are also used as ransom hostages to those that have escaped the system but try to assist those that were left behind.
There were FAR more educated people that stayed in Cuba than left. Granted, some of those also fell out of favor when they started questioning Castro's Regime. In essence, most Cubans supported the Revolution b/c it was going to change the status quo. You talk about the haves and have nots but the Batista's regime was more brutal and provided very little to most Cubans. The problem with Castro is that he forgot the Revolution was for the people of Cuba . . . not for him.
Cuban society is Socialist not Communist. I don't know why you people are so confused about the difference. But it makes no sense to say this
For instance, the United States of America is a mixed Market system within a republic-style government. The haves and the have nots. Money is considered speech so the haves usually get their way despite universal suffrage. Corporations have most of the rights of citizens so again the haves get their way. The haves intermingle with themselves. In concert with the growing gap between the haves and have nots, the haves use their power in government to reduce programs that benefit the have nots, while changing tax policy to favor the haves.
On occasion a few have nots are trotted out for broad media consumption. This usually occurs when a have is running for office and is compelled to appeal to the have nots' hopes, dreams, and biases in order to get elected.
Cuba can do much better. And they will once Castro is gone and US policy towards the island changes. But the latter is only dependent on the former if you have a closed mind . . . you know like those people that run totalitarian states!
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Because he will use whatever means are necessary to protect his rule and stifle any dissent of Cuban citizens through the use of intimidation, prison, and death in some cases.
Economically, Cuba was (and still is in many ways) an unmitigated disaster. The land and business reforms were complete failures. Castro?s willful inability to come to terms with the US over the last 40+ years strangled Cuba?s enormous trade and tourism potential (and sources of jobs/income for his people). I sincerely doubt many Cubans have much in the way of illusions left about the glory of Castro?s communist utopia. I?m sure most are quietly wishing for him to pass away sooner rather than later so rapprochement with the US can finally be reached and Cuba can rejoin the world (and enjoy the economic benefits it could be exploiting).
Castro pursues a dream which certainly most of his people now realize is impossible to reach and have little desire to continue trying at their expense.
Economically, Cuba was (and still is in many ways) an unmitigated disaster. The land and business reforms were complete failures. Castro?s willful inability to come to terms with the US over the last 40+ years strangled Cuba?s enormous trade and tourism potential (and sources of jobs/income for his people). I sincerely doubt many Cubans have much in the way of illusions left about the glory of Castro?s communist utopia. I?m sure most are quietly wishing for him to pass away sooner rather than later so rapprochement with the US can finally be reached and Cuba can rejoin the world (and enjoy the economic benefits it could be exploiting).
Castro pursues a dream which certainly most of his people now realize is impossible to reach and have little desire to continue trying at their expense.
PottedMeat
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Anyone think Chavez will be the next 'Castro' - after all he does what he wants regardless of what the US tells him and wants to be good friends with nations that don't have good relations with the United States. The difference is that he actually has resources other nations will need and will want to trade for. He'll probably be around for a long time.
K1052
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As long as Chavez can leverage Venezuela's oil resources to his political advantage he will likely remain in power. Though, his clear ambition to use that oil wealth to catapult himself onto the international stage could eventually backfire domestically.
Cuba is a dictatorship, and Castro a dictator. Cuba ranks really low when freedom of the press is concerned, and political opposition is crushed with quite brutal methods including people sentenced to death. Many social freedoms are denied, for example homosexuality is considered a crime.
Despite this Cuba has built Education and Healthcare systems among the best in the world, and its economy did quite well when you factor the decades-long embargo.
Still, a regime is never a good thing, especially when it's a violent regime. Cuba COULD be much better off without Castro, too bad most political analysts think the island is probably going to be worse off when Castro will die, and for a reason. The risk is it'll go back to the corrupt regime it was before Castro's revolution. Different political color, still a regime.
Despite this Cuba has built Education and Healthcare systems among the best in the world, and its economy did quite well when you factor the decades-long embargo.
Still, a regime is never a good thing, especially when it's a violent regime. Cuba COULD be much better off without Castro, too bad most political analysts think the island is probably going to be worse off when Castro will die, and for a reason. The risk is it'll go back to the corrupt regime it was before Castro's revolution. Different political color, still a regime.
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Why is Castro evil? Well, lets see, murder, forced labor, torture and persecution of his own people springs to mind.
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