Why is Bill a nickname for William?

spidey07

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Originally posted by: loup garou
Originally posted by: spidey07
Because of it's origins and pronunciation.
william -> will
will -> bill
Well that clears everything up.

I thought it was clear as day?

Richard -> Rich
Rich -> Dich
Dich -> Dick.
 

dennilfloss

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First name origin: English and German

First name meaning: from a Germanic personal name, either a short form of compound names such as Billard, or else a byname Bill(a), from Old English bil ?sword?, ?halberd? (or a Continental cognate). (Bill as a short form of William was not used until the 17th century.)
 

loup garou

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: loup garou
Originally posted by: spidey07
Because of it's origins and pronunciation.
william -> will
will -> bill
Well that clears everything up.

I thought it was clear as day?

Richard -> Rich
Rich -> Dich
Dich -> Dick.
You didn't explain how the w to b or r to d came about.

Here's an explanation I came across:

Among the simple ones are James -> Jim. Back when James was bisyllabic (or even trisyllabic; James is the English form of Jacomus, which is the Latin form of the Greek name Iakobos, i.e., Jacob/Jake), Jim (or Jem, or something like that) arose as a simple abbreviation.

William -> Bill, Robert -> Bob and Richard -> Dick are the same, just removing the last syllable. The w -> b and r -> d are probably from foreign pronunciations of the names?r was trilled heavily in Norman French (where Richard was also kept as Rickard, with the k sound, much longer than in English), and at some point, the English heard that trill as a d. Similarly, Irish had no w earlier on (though it does now), only a bilabial pronounced like a b without the lips touching each other; the English just heard this as a b, and Will(iam) became Bill. The more purely English forms Rich(ie) and Will(y) exist as well, of course. And besides Bob, other forms used to be quite common as well, all rhyming: Dob, Hob, Nob [I kid you not], Lob.

(Also, the meaning of ?dick? as penis comes from the name Dick, not the other way around)

Jack from John is a bit more complex, since it?s not English, but Dutch. John, as you probably know, comes from Johannes. This became, in Early Dutch, Jan, to which was added a diminutive suffix -kin (same as -chen in Modern German), giving Jankin. This then became Jakkin (Jackin) in English, which was shortened to just Jack (2001, if you?re a Will & Grace fan).

Hank is, properly, the exact same name. Besides Jan(kin), Johannes also became Hans or Hankin in Dutch, and this was similarly shortened to Hank in English (though without the intermediate Hackin step). I suppose using it for Henry is an arbitrary shortening based on the French form of this latter name, Henrique (Henrik/Hendrik in Dutch), by removing the -ri-, but not the k...

Babs is just a simple shortening, nothing more. The s at the end is not uncommon in such shortenings (Kevin can become Kevs, etc.), though it doesn?t seem to have been standardised as the only form in other names than Barbara, that I can think of...
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: Squisher
Others are:

Jack for John

OR

Peggy and Pearl for Margaret

I've always wondered why there is a short form of John.....
 

FlashG

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So where does Carl -> Skip -> Buba come from? Seriously we have a guy at work named Carl that answers to Skip.