Why Iran has a problem with the US

[HomerJS]

Question: Is she wrong? If so why?

Is the United States really in a position to lecture Iran?

 

[Fenixgoon]

It's shocking to me that people still trot the "they hate our way of life" bullshit.

Has the dude ever been outside the US ever? Or met anyone from outside the US?

We put in a leader they didn't like to get oil. I am surprised that's not more common knowledge. Good on Joy Reid for dropping names so people can Google that shit specifically.

 

[HomerJS]

It's shocking to me that people still trot the "they hate our way of life" bullshit.

Has the dude ever been outside the US ever? Or met anyone from outside the US?

We put in a leader they didn't like to get oil. I am surprised that's not more common knowledge. Good on Joy Reid for dropping names so people can Google that shit specifically.

You really think the media deal in the truth. Fox wants their people gaslit and CNN doesn’t want to piss off Trump

 

[Fenixgoon]

You really think the media deal in the truth. Fox wants their people gaslit and CNN doesn’t want to piss off Trump

Sad but true.

The thing that gets me though is that it all becomes very obvious when you meet people who aren't from the US. You very quickly realize everyone basically wants the same thing:

Food
Shelter
Security
Be able to have a family and watch your kids grow (yes I know not everyone wants kids)
Be able to contribute and be a part of a community

 

[pauldun170]

Love how they all tried to talk over her and interuot and she was able to maintain control of the room, tone and delivery without resorting to nonsense.

I would have like to hear her cover what we did in the following decade

U.S. Involvement In The 1980s Iran-Iraq War: America’s Haphazard Extension Of Gulf Insecurity - The Yale Review Of International Studies

In a televised address on September 17, 1980, president Saddam Hussein stood before the National Assembly of Iraq and condemned the neighboring state Iran.

yris.yira.org

US protecting Iraqi shipments of oil and protecting Arab shipments of weapons to Iraq during the Iran Iraq War where US publicly aligned with Iraq.

US shooting down an Iranian airliner.

US sinking the Iranian navy.

US sanctions and UN manipulation to ensure Iran floundered for the past 40 years.

To the average Iranian, they just want to enjoy life.

For Iranian leadership, they just have to look at the history books to understand that the United States government is not exactly a "good partner ".
Unfortunately this extended period of isolation has resulted in The crazy faction of Iran to become ingrained in government and thebsane people to slowly fade away.

Kinda like what's happening in the western world.

 

[MrSquished]

The US is partly responsible for Iran's issues - they helped the UK overthrow Mossadegh because he wanted to take back some of their oil resources from colonialist Britain. They then helped install the Shah after overthrowing a democratically elected president - the Shah was an oppressive monster, but he was our guy, and let Western interests exploit the country. The blowback to that regime happened with the Iranian revolution of the radical Islamists to overthrow that corrupt as fuck western installed dictatorship. We would likely not have these extremists in power if not for those series of events.

 

[UNCjigga]

My wife and I are listening to a great NPR podcast on this very topic—goes deep into the history of Mossadegh and the coup that brought the Shah to power. I had very little idea who Kermit Roosevelt was or the amount of shit he was able to get away with at CIA because of his famous relatives.

Iran and the U.S., Part One: Four Days in August : Throughline

https://www.npr.org/2026/01/01/1263733173/throughline-iran-and-the-us-part-one

Kermit Roosevelt Jr. - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[pmv]

I thought this was well known? There was also the occupation of the country by Russia and the UK during WW2 (does strike me that that must have been one of the easier postings for a Russian soldier in WW2 - sitting out the war in Iran, that barely offered any resistance).

 

[pmv]

My wife and I are listening to a great NPR podcast on this very topic—goes deep into the history of Mossadegh and the coup that brought the Shah to power. I had very little idea who Kermit Roosevelt was or the amount of shit he was able to get away with at CIA because of his famous relatives.

Iran and the U.S., Part One: Four Days in August : Throughline

https://www.npr.org/2026/01/01/1263733173/throughline-iran-and-the-us-part-one

Kermit Roosevelt Jr. - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Thanks for the suggestion. Though that's another podcast to subscribe to (to add to the 48-hours-worth I seem to download every day - am starting to feel that's not sustainable)

 

[HomerJS]

Disappointed no one want to have a serious discussion about Iran's history with US and why their anger is justified.

I guess we've just moved on

 

[IronWing]

Disappointed no one want to have a serious discussion about Iran's history with US and why their anger is justified.

I guess we've just moved on

At some point, post-independence India had to stop blaming the British for their problems. Likewise, post-Shah Iran has to accept that their troubles don't begin and end with the US or Israel. US policy isn't going to change until the generations that lived through the hostage crisis are gone. Obama tried and the US electorate wasn't ready to let go of irrational anger.

 

[pmv]

At some point, post-independence India had to stop blaming the British for their problems. Likewise, post-Shah Iran has to accept that their troubles don't begin and end with the US or Israel. US policy isn't going to change until the generations that lived through the hostage crisis are gone. Obama tried and the US electorate wasn't ready to let go of irrational anger.

That seems a mite inconsistent - you expect Iranians to forget what happened 70 years ago (with consequences that lasted till 50 years ago) (even ignoring the US involvement in the region since then) but suggest the US can't be expected to forget a (infinitely less serious and consequential) event that occurred nearly 50 years ago?

 

[IronWing]

That seems a mite inconsistent - you expect Iranians to forget what happened 70 years ago (with consequences that lasted till 50 years ago) (even ignoring the US involvement in the region since then) but suggest the US can't be expected to forget a (infinitely less serious and consequential) event that occurred nearly 50 years ago?

I think the US should have gotten over the hostage crisis decades ago. Reagan and Bush I were over it by the early 80s when they sold weapons to Iran. The electorate, not so much.

 

[pmv]

I suppose if the US-backed coup led to Iran enduring the Shah's regime for decades afterwards, perhaps it could be argued that the 1979 hostage crisis helped bring Reagan to power, thus ultimately leading to the US ending up with the Trump regime? So, you know, perhaps it all equals out in the end?

 

[sdifox]

LoL US and UK overthrew Iran's freely elected president in 1953. Bastion of freedom indeed.

1953 Iranian coup d'état - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[ivwshane]

That’s what happens when you have unelected officials and a secretive entity in government with little oversight. The CIA has been behind some of our worst foreign policy decisions for decades.

 

[sdifox]

That’s what happens when you have unelected officials and a secretive entity in government with little oversight. The CIA has been behind some of our worst foreign policy decisions for decades.

I am not aware of any CIA action that was not directed from the presidency at least

 

[amenx]

I think the US should have gotten over the hostage crisis decades ago. Reagan and Bush I were over it by the early 80s when they sold weapons to Iran. The electorate, not so much.

I think the "electorates" view of Iran is shaped by the same Israel lobby/media spin machine that has shaped US perception of Iran over the decades. You have to ask yourself, how can a far more heinous attack on the US (Pearl Harbor with 1000s of US lives lost) be so quickly forgotten compared to the hostage situation where not a single life was lost. Yet Iran was continuously kept on the burner as the most evil threat seeking to destroy America for so long.

Its the same lobby/media spin machine thats allowed a US enabled Israeli ethnic cleansing campaign to occur over decades and a false intel based war on Iraq culminating into a genocide of the Palestinians with very little push-back.

 

[ivwshane]

I am not aware of any CIA action that was not directed from the presidency at least

Directed or approved by? Because there is a difference.

 

[HomerJS]

At some point, post-independence India had to stop blaming the British for their problems. Likewise, post-Shah Iran has to accept that their troubles don't begin and end with the US or Israel. US policy isn't going to change until the generations that lived through the hostage crisis are gone. Obama tried and the US electorate wasn't ready to let go of irrational anger.

Do you have the same standard for Israel?

That failure to acknowledge history by just getting over it is how Jan 6. Came a patriotic event and criminals were pardoned.

J6 should never be forgotten nor should the perps.

How much time do we give Trump’s crime to just be forgotten or should he be prosecuted after leaving office.

Snatch a purse 5 years in prison. Attempt to snatch the USA. Just let that slide

 

[sdifox]

Directed or approved by? Because there is a difference.

Semantics. It's official US government decision either way. We are not talking unauthorized CIA operations.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Don't forget about the time Iran had the nerve to ram their airliner into our missile.

 

[ivwshane]

Semantics. It's official US government decision either way.

I think the semantics is pretty important, one gets the decision/policy maker out every four to eight years, the other means every president gets to be persuaded by the same people. The bigger question is; who’s really setting our foreign policy?

 

[sdifox]

I think the semantics is pretty important, one gets the decision/policy maker out every four to eight years, the other means every president gets to be persuaded by the same people. The bigger question is; who’s really setting our foreign policy?

Capitalists. US had been directly involved in other countries' government/election for a long time.

United States involvement in regime change - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[pmv]

Don't forget about the time Iran had the nerve to ram their airliner into our missile.

Quite a remarkable contrast in the reactions to IA655 vs KAL007