Why I'm not voting this Nov, or any November

Titan

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I just caught a message in a friend's IM profile telling people (me) to go out and vote Nov 2nd. I am not. I'd like to share why, and am wondering why others are voting or choosing not to this coming election.

I turned 18 during the 2000 election and was able to participate in the election for my home state when I was in college via an absentee ballot. As I sat down to fill it out, one thing was clear to me: I really had no idea what I was picking or why for choices except the presidential race. Of which, I only had a vague idea of who I liked more.

And that's really the problem that I see, the choice doesn't present itself with a clear result or consequence. It's like sitting down and reading the menu at an italian returaunt, not being able to read the untranslated names, I just pick a pasta, and hope I get one that doesn't give me fits of anguish upon consuming it.

I think the root of this problem is that most people like to live and think and operate in a world they craft for themselves based on ideals, not realities. This is most likely because reality is overwhelming and often harsh, to the objective observer. Ideals are useful, they generalize, inspire, and motivate an individual to maintain themselves. But they do not offer any insight as to the consequences, or realities they bear fruit of.

The presumption of democracy is that each citizen in the government has the power to change the government for the better. The supposed tool for this is voting. But a vote only has power when you know what you are voting for. And in our voting for president, we vote for a GUY. This guy or that guy? That one's my guy! This absurdity we call a government is no more endeared to making sound decisions than picking your favorite football team to beat the spread on sunday!

Scary.

It's amazing, but I guess it's just human nature to make decisions based on emotion rather than sound judgement, and the politicians know this; the whole game of politics is about playing on people's fears and hopes, not about practical problems and practical solutions. The most important thing to a government official is not solving problems and improving the nation; it's maintaining the perception that progress is being made. This is accomplished with generalized speeches that hammer talking points, and conventions which are adult pep-rallies. This is how the ones in power screw over the ones who lack such power, because no one is willing to get their hands dirty and actually fix a problem.

And all the while, we are given the only real choice between six of one, and half a dozen of the other. No real meaningful, progressive, and important change comes when one party or the other takes house. And whatever changes that do come, draw benefit from one place and place it in another, only for a limited time. The two party system depends on their might and blind following to refuse any real choice, so the only man who analyzes, identifies real problems, and offers solutions, (Nader) is bullied out by the sheep, so that he is in truth, no choice at all.

Until the people rise up and demand more control over their government, with strict accountability, nothing will get done. No problems will be solved. Oh money will be spent, LOTS of it; and the best part it that it's YOURS. Things will appear to get done, and give blind, ignorant people soemthing to point to. Sheep will just bleat and bicker until the end of time drowning out the voice of change. Fixing this is possible, but we probably won't see it in this lifetime. People, which means the lowest common denominator of a voting group, must realize the difference between ideals and realities for us to move forward. And politicians should have to present designs for reform, and implementation plans, like an engineer, and the people must hold them accountable, and have the capability of doing so.

I will end by refuting the most common, and blindly idealistic statment people will throw at me when I tell them I refuse to vote: "voting is important." In the ideal sense, I agree with this 100%. Voting is important. But it is only important, in reality, if you know what you are voting for. If i'm on the island in Survivor, I will vote, because I know that my vote will result in a meaningful outcome, wether or not it wins. I will not vote this presidential election, because the choice to me is like if I want to be shot in the front, or the back of the head. Either way it doesn't really matter, and it's not a worthwhile choice. Because when the election is over, and 4 years from now, no one will be able to reconcile the reasons they voted and the results in any real, concrete sense, either positively or negatively. But people are good rationalizers, and they will point to general, unproven notions to justify voting yet again.

At least when you pick which NFL team is going to win by what, you can see it in action how they either win, or lose.
 

pulse8

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That's really long and I only read the first couple paragraphs, but if the reason you aren't voting is because you don't know the issues or can't make a decision for yourself on who to vote for (there really is no "right" person to vote for) then you probably shouldn't vote anyway.
 

etalns

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Very well thought out post, and I can't agree with you more.

I'm tired of people voting for stuff like the green party becuase they think it's funny and are utterly clueless.
 

FoBoT

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p.s. thanks for not voting, i wish more young people were as articulate and thoughtful as yourself and used the same common sense that you are. the more young people that don't vote the better off i am, thanks again
 

bamacre

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It's true, both Bush and Kerry are horrible candidates. Unfortunately those that see that are in the minority.
 

Gurck

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Scroll up and look near the top-left corner of your screen. You see that thing that says "Politics and News"? Click on it. Post there from now on. Thank you.
 

Vic

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Until the people rise up and demand more control over their government, with strict accountability, nothing will get done. No problems will be solved.
Idiot. Voting is the way the public maintains control over their government, and holds it accountable. What the hell more do you want? A seat in the Senate? :roll:
The problem is two-fold: people like you who don't vote, and people who vote blindly based on only 1 or 2 issues and refuse to kick a proven worthless bastard out of office.
 

Hammer

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are you mad because nader was left of the ballot in your state? is this what this is really about?
 

Fausto

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Originally posted by: Vic
Until the people rise up and demand more control over their government, with strict accountability, nothing will get done. No problems will be solved.
Idiot. Voting is the way the public maintains control over their government, and holds it accountable. What the hell more do you want? A seat in the Senate? :roll:
The problem is two-fold: people like you who don't vote, and people who vote blindly based on only 1 or 2 issues and refuse to kick a proven worthless bastard out of office.
On top of that, I don't see where the OP mentions what he's going to do about any of this....other than complain. :roll:

 

thirdlegstump

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I was just literally screamed at by a bunch of fashion friends to vote Kerry because of 9/11 and the wars 'caused by Bush.' While I joke around on these threads as a total lefty pro-Kerry and anti-gun maniac, I'm really on the same ball with you. I really have NO IDEA who to vote for and will stay out of voting and political debates in general because the real truth is, no one really freakin knows JACK. These presidents are just muppet faces with fingers up their asses doing what the people behind them tells them to do. Voting won't make a difference and hope you really don't believe in that nonsense..well not that I know...
 

Drekce

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You are an idiot for not knowing who to vote for. It is not hard to find out about the issues. If you don't know what YOU stand for by the time you are 18 years old I would infer that there is not much going on in your head. You are not voting because you are lazy; you are too lazy to read, to educate yourself, and to drive down to your voting location.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Hammer
are you mad because nader was left of the ballot in your state? is this what this is really about?
Nader is a hypocrite, and his followers are clueless. He rails and rails against the EVIL corporations, yet he was almost single-handedly responsible for the tort reform that continues to screw every small business in America.
 

SuperTool

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There is a difference between elections and Italian restaurants.
With elections whether you pick anything off the menu or not, you pay.
So not voting in elections is like paying $20 at a buffet and not eating anything.
 

pulse8

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Originally posted by: bamacre
It's true, both Bush and Kerry are horrible candidates. Unfortunately those that see that are in the minority.

When was the last time the candidates for the major parties were really good choices? When will people realize that we will probably never have 2 candidates where this country is fortunate enough to say that both this guys are just great and we'd be lucky to have either as our president?

I hate it when people say that they aren't going to vote because they don't like either candidate. It's just fvcking stupid.
 

Kev

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I hate it when people say that they aren't going to vote because they don't like either candidate. It's just fvcking stupid.
Why? What's the point of voting if you don't like either guy? So you can flip a coin and add an arbitrary +1 to one of the candidates' vote total?
 

wfbberzerker

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its perfectly understandable for someone to be very confused about what candidate to choose (anyone who says that you're retarded if you dont know who to vote for can go screw themselves). there are several things you have to take into consideration when you look at an election.

1.) Our government is complicated beyond belief. Even if you take one tiny aspect - medicare, for example - even then its way too confusing for the average person to fully comprehend.
2.) Politicians use language that will cover their asses. This is one of the major reasons (I believe) that there is such a small percentage of the population voting. If you watch a debate, the candidates don't directly answer any questions with clear, concise language. It's very tough to figure out just what the hell a candidate is saying. This is also one of the reasons that Bush has been popular. People may not necesarily agree with him on all points, but he tries to be unwavering and clear in his stances, which is something that people can grab a hold on.

As for myself, I'm still undecided as to whether I will vote, because, after listening to both sides, it's tough to figure out who the hell stands for what.
 

DaiShan

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Originally posted by: FoBoT
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p.s. thanks for not voting, i wish more young people were as articulate and thoughtful as yourself and used the same common sense that you are. the more young people that don't vote the better off i am, thanks again

Or hell, the more people that don't vote period the better off you are. Seriously bro take the time to learn the issues that affect YOU. Don't be apathetic about your future. Think of it this way, when someone asks you "do you want to be rich or poor later in life" do you say ah it doesn't really matter, I don't know enough about either to decide, you decide for me. Its the same thing, basically you are letting someone else vote for you because you can't be bothered to learn the issues? Sad. And don't say you don't have time either, I work 30 hours a week take 17 credits and get 3 newspapers (well one is the local gainesville one, mostly crap so I just flip through it)
 

K1052

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Unless Chicago is completely destroyed in some disaster before November, my vote is basically worthless in this election.

That is why I am not going to vote this year.
 

DT4K

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"Either way it doesn't really matter, and it's not a worthwhile choice. Because when the election is over, and 4 years from now, no one will be able to reconcile the reasons they voted and the results in any real, concrete sense, either positively or negatively."

That is completely ridiculous.

Whichever you prefer, I think it's pretty obvious that Kerry and Bush will take our country in very different directions.

Or do you believe that things would be exactly the same today if Gore had been our president?
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Kev
I hate it when people say that they aren't going to vote because they don't like either candidate. It's just fvcking stupid.
Why? What's the point of voting if you don't like either guy? So you can flip a coin and add an arbitrary +1 to one of the candidates' vote total?

IME, you may not have someone to vote for, but you always have someone to vote against.

However, a ballot card is not a multiple choice school test. You don't have to vote for every office, position, and measure. If you have no particular choice for "Assistant Deputy Water District Commissioner", it's okay to leave that choice blank. Or leave the Presidential choice blank if you want. Leave more than half the choice blank if you want. But there has to be at least one issue or office that you have a choice for and want to vote for or against. And that's why you should always vote.