Why I think the AMD choice wins for some (if not most)...

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Blain

Originally posted by: RichUK
yeah but the s939 Asrock boards sucks, because you cannot up the Vcore, and you would most definitely need to do so to get any sort of competitive OC with an X2 3800+.

Does core voltage need to be over 1.55v for a competitive OC?

Even if you could get 2.8-3.0GHz out of the 3800 on a known good board,which is common, a E6300 at 2.4-2.6 (conservative) on the "crappy?" ASRock would still well outperform it. Go any higher and the gap grows very quickly.

If you are serious about o/c'ing, that Gigabyte DS3 board looks to be the best you can get for its price of around 150 bucks. Pair that with a E6300, and 3GHz is pretty much given on stock voltage and air. I will insert the YMMV here of course.

The 3800 X2 would be strictly for the absolute budget minded user who is not interested in performance as much as price tags. Especially if building a new system. Enthusiasts on either side would go AM2 or Core 2 Duo. Budget minded folks would most likely go 939 or Pentium D. Would they be happy? I'm sure.

EDIT: My sister just asked me to build her a new PC. She mostly does encoding (wav's, mp3's) mixing and editing. Very light gaming if ever, and that's just Unreal Tournament (original). All for 502.00 shipped. This system is more than she needs:

Case.......................................40.00
GB Mobo GA81945GXME...........71.00
Leadtek GF6600/256.................66.00
Enermax 420W PSU..................60.00
Pentium D 805.........................101.00
1GB DDR2 667.........................72.00
Lite-On DVD burner..................35.00
SB Live 24-bit..........................26.00

Total.......................................471.00
Shipping...................................31.00

Grand Total.............................502.00

Needless to say, she will be very very happy. As will I for doing it for her.

You talk about the X2 3800, but then build your sister an 805 POS ? For $50 more, she could have had an X2 3800, which runs much cooler than that 805, not to mention faster, and a better buy. You are just an Intel fanboy, admit it.

This conversation was going nicely until your nastiness got the better of you. What part of ,"This system is way more than she will ever need." Did you not understand? Why spend more money when it was not necessary? 50 bucks is FIFTY bucks no matter how it's shown. If I spent an extra 50 on the CPU, I wouldn't have been able to get her the semi-decent graphics card. Why am I explaining this to you. You're a waste of keystrokes. There are a ton of things I'd like to say to you Mark as a result of your post here, but I would be ULTRA banned if I had. You get the drift.

I think what Mark pointed out was obvious to most of us...It doesn't matter how much cheaper the 3800+ X2 is now compared to the 805, you would still only buy an INtel rig....I mean come on...The 3800+ X2 at stock kills the 805D and uis well worth the 40-50 bucks more...This system may be overkill but the 3800+ buys here even more performance for very little....Heck the day she decides to OC she can do it with that PSU and stock cooler and buy even more speed over that heater core....

At least you are consistent Keys...I give you that...INtel fanboy thru and thru....



To op....

I think upgraders sticking with sckt 939 systems and just upgrading cpus are the only "wins" I see AMD over INtel at this moment...

If one has to upgrade a mobo to go sckt 939 or even AM2 and needs new cpu and perhpas new ram, going AMD over Core 2 Duo stinks of the same kind of fanboyism Keys displays regularly....

 

[Markfw]

Duvie, only one small point....If you need the system today (not next week), or want to keep your AGP card and memory, but might need a motherboard, I think its still a viable option.

When Conroe is widely available, I may add one, as I am certainly NOT a fanboy....But I already have 20 cores at home, so I would need to sell some first....

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: shamans
It really depends on where you live and how much you use. Up here in Ontario, Canada, energy prices are so cheap due to hydro electricity (we get about 6 cents per kWh).

40 W difference x 6 cents per kWh x 4 hours a day on average x 365 days a year x 4 years is $14.

You got that right. Out here in the sticks we pay closer to $0.13 per kWh. That more than doubles your projections

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Blain

Originally posted by: RichUK
yeah but the s939 Asrock boards sucks, because you cannot up the Vcore, and you would most definitely need to do so to get any sort of competitive OC with an X2 3800+.

Does core voltage need to be over 1.55v for a competitive OC?

Even if you could get 2.8-3.0GHz out of the 3800 on a known good board,which is common, a E6300 at 2.4-2.6 (conservative) on the "crappy?" ASRock would still well outperform it. Go any higher and the gap grows very quickly.

If you are serious about o/c'ing, that Gigabyte DS3 board looks to be the best you can get for its price of around 150 bucks. Pair that with a E6300, and 3GHz is pretty much given on stock voltage and air. I will insert the YMMV here of course.

The 3800 X2 would be strictly for the absolute budget minded user who is not interested in performance as much as price tags. Especially if building a new system. Enthusiasts on either side would go AM2 or Core 2 Duo. Budget minded folks would most likely go 939 or Pentium D. Would they be happy? I'm sure.

EDIT: My sister just asked me to build her a new PC. She mostly does encoding (wav's, mp3's) mixing and editing. Very light gaming if ever, and that's just Unreal Tournament (original). All for 502.00 shipped. This system is more than she needs:

Case.......................................40.00
GB Mobo GA81945GXME...........71.00
Leadtek GF6600/256.................66.00
Enermax 420W PSU..................60.00
Pentium D 805.........................101.00
1GB DDR2 667.........................72.00
Lite-On DVD burner..................35.00
SB Live 24-bit..........................26.00

Total.......................................471.00
Shipping...................................31.00

Grand Total.............................502.00

Needless to say, she will be very very happy. As will I for doing it for her.

You talk about the X2 3800, but then build your sister an 805 POS ? For $50 more, she could have had an X2 3800, which runs much cooler than that 805, not to mention faster, and a better buy. You are just an Intel fanboy, admit it.

This conversation was going nicely until your nastiness got the better of you. What part of ,"This system is way more than she will ever need." Did you not understand? Why spend more money when it was not necessary? 50 bucks is FIFTY bucks no matter how it's shown. If I spent an extra 50 on the CPU, I wouldn't have been able to get her the semi-decent graphics card. Why am I explaining this to you. You're a waste of keystrokes. There are a ton of things I'd like to say to you Mark as a result of your post here, but I would be ULTRA banned if I had. You get the drift.

I think what Mark pointed out was obvious to most of us...It doesn't matter how much cheaper the 3800+ X2 is now compared to the 805, you would still only buy an INtel rig....I mean come on...The 3800+ X2 at stock kills the 805D and uis well worth the 40-50 bucks more...This system may be overkill but the 3800+ buys here even more performance for very little....Heck the day she decides to OC she can do it with that PSU and stock cooler and buy even more speed over that heater core....

At least you are consistent Keys...I give you that...INtel fanboy thru and thru....



To op....

I think upgraders sticking with sckt 939 systems and just upgrading cpus are the only "wins" I see AMD over INtel at this moment...

If one has to upgrade a mobo to go sckt 939 or even AM2 and needs new cpu and perhpas new ram, going AMD over Core 2 Duo stinks of the same kind of fanboyism Keys displays regularly....

Paypal me the 60 bucks Duvie, and I'll buy the 3800 system. And remind me to look you guys up if I'm ever in Hawaii. You might think I'm threatening you, cause that's your mentality. Not the case at all. I'm no internet tough guy. I actually would like to meet both of you to see if you both are as rude in person as you are on this forum. I'm guessing you're not, else neither of you would have any teeth left. Or do you both wear dentures these days?

So, send the paypal. If you agree, I will PM you my paypal addy. Then buy the 3800X2 system to make you a very happy camper. No joke. Your ball.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Blain

Originally posted by: RichUK
yeah but the s939 Asrock boards sucks, because you cannot up the Vcore, and you would most definitely need to do so to get any sort of competitive OC with an X2 3800+.

Does core voltage need to be over 1.55v for a competitive OC?

Even if you could get 2.8-3.0GHz out of the 3800 on a known good board,which is common, a E6300 at 2.4-2.6 (conservative) on the "crappy?" ASRock would still well outperform it. Go any higher and the gap grows very quickly.

If you are serious about o/c'ing, that Gigabyte DS3 board looks to be the best you can get for its price of around 150 bucks. Pair that with a E6300, and 3GHz is pretty much given on stock voltage and air. I will insert the YMMV here of course.

The 3800 X2 would be strictly for the absolute budget minded user who is not interested in performance as much as price tags. Especially if building a new system. Enthusiasts on either side would go AM2 or Core 2 Duo. Budget minded folks would most likely go 939 or Pentium D. Would they be happy? I'm sure.

EDIT: My sister just asked me to build her a new PC. She mostly does encoding (wav's, mp3's) mixing and editing. Very light gaming if ever, and that's just Unreal Tournament (original). All for 502.00 shipped. This system is more than she needs:

Case.......................................40.00
GB Mobo GA81945GXME...........71.00
Leadtek GF6600/256.................66.00
Enermax 420W PSU..................60.00
Pentium D 805.........................101.00
1GB DDR2 667.........................72.00
Lite-On DVD burner..................35.00
SB Live 24-bit..........................26.00

Total.......................................471.00
Shipping...................................31.00

Grand Total.............................502.00

Needless to say, she will be very very happy. As will I for doing it for her.

You talk about the X2 3800, but then build your sister an 805 POS ? For $50 more, she could have had an X2 3800, which runs much cooler than that 805, not to mention faster, and a better buy. You are just an Intel fanboy, admit it.

This conversation was going nicely until your nastiness got the better of you. What part of ,"This system is way more than she will ever need." Did you not understand? Why spend more money when it was not necessary? 50 bucks is FIFTY bucks no matter how it's shown. If I spent an extra 50 on the CPU, I wouldn't have been able to get her the semi-decent graphics card. Why am I explaining this to you. You're a waste of keystrokes. There are a ton of things I'd like to say to you Mark as a result of your post here, but I would be ULTRA banned if I had. You get the drift.

I think what Mark pointed out was obvious to most of us...It doesn't matter how much cheaper the 3800+ X2 is now compared to the 805, you would still only buy an INtel rig....I mean come on...The 3800+ X2 at stock kills the 805D and uis well worth the 40-50 bucks more...This system may be overkill but the 3800+ buys here even more performance for very little....Heck the day she decides to OC she can do it with that PSU and stock cooler and buy even more speed over that heater core....

At least you are consistent Keys...I give you that...INtel fanboy thru and thru....



To op....

I think upgraders sticking with sckt 939 systems and just upgrading cpus are the only "wins" I see AMD over INtel at this moment...

If one has to upgrade a mobo to go sckt 939 or even AM2 and needs new cpu and perhpas new ram, going AMD over Core 2 Duo stinks of the same kind of fanboyism Keys displays regularly....

Paypal me the 60 bucks Duvie, and I'll buy the 3800 system. And remind me to look you guys up if I'm ever in Hawaii. You might think I'm threatening you, cause that's your mentality. Not the case at all. I'm no internet tough guy. I actually would like to meet both of you to see if you both are as rude in person as you are on this forum. I'm guessing you're not, else neither of you would have any teeth left. Or do you both wear dentures these days?

So, send the paypal. If you agree, I will PM you my paypal addy. Then buy the 3800X2 system to make you a very happy camper. No joke. Your ball.

No dude...your sister is buying the rig...make her pay...

Why waste the money on the SB 24bit??? Onboard sound on many boards (Nforce ones come to mind) are plenty good enough...There is 26 bucks you can save there...

Also it is not 60 bucks...I see 154 with free shipping at ZZF, though I know I saw thread where someone had it for under 150...So now we are talking about 25 bucks for a far superior chip that even at stock and much fatser is cooler to run and probably uses less power...

Why buy a Liteon DVD burner when you can get an NEC for same price...I got one for 35.00 at newegg like 3 weeks ago....




Dude if you ever coe to Portland I will give you my address...I dont think I am rude I just call them as I see them and dont mince words....Life is too short to be nice if it means being dishonest with myself...

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Duvie

No dude...your sister is buying the rig...make her pay...

A little different when it's your money, aint it.

Why waste the money on the SB 24bit??? Onboard sound on many boards (Nforce ones come to mind) are plenty good enough...There is 26 bucks you can save there...

You're speaking as if you know everything. She needs the 24 bit Live card. Works with a bit of software she has. She cannot use an Audigy with this software for example. We know, we have tried. Tried onboard as well. No good.

Also it is not 60 bucks...I see 154 with free shipping at ZZF, though I know I saw thread where someone had it for under 150...So now we are talking about 25 bucks for a far superior chip that even at stock and much fatser is cooler to run and probably uses less power...

So 40 to 50 suddenly becomes 25. I paid 101.00 for the CPU duvie. How does 154 - 101 = 25? Probably uses less power? Now your not sure? Cooler? Most likely, but what do I care as long as it runs? And cheaper.

Why buy a Liteon DVD burner when you can get an NEC for same price...I got one for 35.00 at newegg like 3 weeks ago....

What difference does it make? Lite-on works just fine. They both burn DVD's. Yippee.




Dude if you ever coe to Portland I will give you my address...I dont think I am rude I just call them as I see them and dont mince words....Life is too short to be nice if it means being dishonest with myself...

Portland? Oregon? Thought you were from Hawaii?

Life is too short to be mean spirited as well. Find that happy medium will ya please?

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[Zebo]

Originally posted by: RichUK
yeah but the s939 Asrock boards sucks, because you cannot up the Vcore, and you would most definitely need to do so to get any sort of competitive OC with an X2 3800+.

Plus if you are solely looking at a budget platform basis with everything running stock, then there is also an Asrock mobo for Conroe which is dirt cheap

Asrock ConroeXFire-eSATA2 (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard

This is half the price of the Gigabyte DS3

Asrock Conroe board (£61.04) + E6300 (135.07) = £196.11

Asrock 939Dual-SATA2 (£40.54) + (£108.04) = £148.58

With a price difference of £47.53 or better put the AMD setup being 32% cheaper. I would still say going with the Intel platform to be better, especially as you don?t have to focus much on Vcore, when OCing, so its still a good deal, and its a lot faster at stock speeds (if you're looking to run stock).

Unless you are ultra budget conscious then go with the AMD platform. But saying that these sorts of people buy the cheapest Dell?s.

Rig I just built for my sis' kids Asrock board...Default core, stock HSF, 2600Mhz and has much more in it.. but I gave it to her like this..not bad for $210 combo

The whole comp was only $555 with a x800xl...

Asrock has it's place

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Duvie

No dude...your sister is buying the rig...make her pay...

A little different when it's your money, aint it.

Why waste the money on the SB 24bit??? Onboard sound on many boards (Nforce ones come to mind) are plenty good enough...There is 26 bucks you can save there...

You're speaking as if you know everything. She needs the 24 bit Live card. Works with a bit of software she has. She cannot use an Audigy with this software for example. We know, we have tried. Tried onboard as well. No good.

Also it is not 60 bucks...I see 154 with free shipping at ZZF, though I know I saw thread where someone had it for under 150...So now we are talking about 25 bucks for a far superior chip that even at stock and much fatser is cooler to run and probably uses less power...

So 40 to 50 suddenly becomes 25. I paid 101.00 for the CPU duvie. How does 154 - 101 = 25? Probably uses less power? Now your not sure? Cooler? Most likely, but what do I care as long as it runs? And cheaper.

Why buy a Liteon DVD burner when you can get an NEC for same price...I got one for 35.00 at newegg like 3 weeks ago....

What difference does it make? Lite-on works just fine. They both burn DVD's. Yippee.




Dude if you ever coe to Portland I will give you my address...I dont think I am rude I just call them as I see them and dont mince words....Life is too short to be nice if it means being dishonest with myself...

Portland? Oregon? Thought you were from Hawaii?

Life is too short to be mean spirited as well. Find that happy medium will ya please?

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Nope Portland...I think you are thinking of that other guy...both Mark and I are in Portland as well as Stevty, Wingznut, and a few others....We are in Intel country!!! My last home was within throwing distace of the Hawthorne farms campus, about visual sighting distance of Ronler acres, etc....

The 25 was after i removed the cost of the SB Live 24bit....

I think 50 is a drop in the bucket compared to the performance incease the 3800+ wouold have...Gives her a bit mre longevity...PLus you can oC the 3800+ with stock cooler and settings and widen that gap evenmore...I am thinking the AMD system would be far more benficial longer then the crap 805D...

That is my 2 cents...

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Duvie

No dude...your sister is buying the rig...make her pay...

A little different when it's your money, aint it.

Why waste the money on the SB 24bit??? Onboard sound on many boards (Nforce ones come to mind) are plenty good enough...There is 26 bucks you can save there...

You're speaking as if you know everything. She needs the 24 bit Live card. Works with a bit of software she has. She cannot use an Audigy with this software for example. We know, we have tried. Tried onboard as well. No good.

Also it is not 60 bucks...I see 154 with free shipping at ZZF, though I know I saw thread where someone had it for under 150...So now we are talking about 25 bucks for a far superior chip that even at stock and much fatser is cooler to run and probably uses less power...

So 40 to 50 suddenly becomes 25. I paid 101.00 for the CPU duvie. How does 154 - 101 = 25? Probably uses less power? Now your not sure? Cooler? Most likely, but what do I care as long as it runs? And cheaper.

Why buy a Liteon DVD burner when you can get an NEC for same price...I got one for 35.00 at newegg like 3 weeks ago....

What difference does it make? Lite-on works just fine. They both burn DVD's. Yippee.




Dude if you ever coe to Portland I will give you my address...I dont think I am rude I just call them as I see them and dont mince words....Life is too short to be nice if it means being dishonest with myself...

Portland? Oregon? Thought you were from Hawaii?

Life is too short to be mean spirited as well. Find that happy medium will ya please?

Nope Portland...I think you are thinking of that other guy...both Mark and I are in Portland as well as Stevty, Wingznut, and a few others....We are in Intel country!!! My last home was within throwing distace of the Hawthorne farms campus, about visual sighting distance of Ronler acres, etc....

The 25 was after i removed the cost of the SB Live 24bit....

I think 50 is a drop in the bucket compared to the performance incease the 3800+ wouold have...Gives her a bit mre longevity...PLus you can oC the 3800+ with stock cooler and settings and widen that gap evenmore...I am thinking the AMD system would be far more benficial longer then the crap 805D...

That is my 2 cents...[/quote]

Dude!! What you said here was perfect! Thank you. I know you are right about the 50 being a drop in the bucket, but that is 50 she does not have nor want to spend. The 805D will serve her very well. She asked me to build her a computer. I asked her absolute highest budget. It was actually 450.00, but I went to 502 and covered her. Heh, she is my sis after all. . I know what she uses her computer for, mostly encoding. So I went with the cheapest dual core CPU I could find. I just wanted to share with you guys what I am doing. I didn't think I would get so flamed for it. Not cool. But your post here was awesome. Should have been the first post.

 

[shamans]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Rig I just built for my sis' kids Asrock board...Default core, stock HSF, 2600Mhz and has much more in it.. but I gave it to her like this..not bad for $210 combo

The whole comp was only $555 with a x800xl...

Damn lucky kids...I still gotta order and assemble mine next week.

 

[MegaWorks]

DUUUDE!!!!!

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: Duvie
My last home was within throwing distace of the Hawthorne farms campus

My GF (now wife) used to live over there when she went to Pacific University, in those apartments next to NE Cornell Rd and NE 51st Ave, right across from the Intel Hawthorne Farm campus. I used to walk past the place down NE Elam Young Pky to get to the Max station.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: shamans

Originally posted by: Zebo
Rig I just built for my sis' kids Asrock board...Default core, stock HSF, 2600Mhz and has much more in it.. but I gave it to her like this..not bad for $210 combo

The whole comp was only $555 with a x800xl...

Damn lucky kids...I still gotta order and assemble mine next week.

Let me know if you'd like build and prices I just did. ...games everything great very fast machine for $555.


Here is card http://shop.ati.com/searchresults.asp?dept_id=39

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: Duvie
My last home was within throwing distace of the Hawthorne farms campus

My GF (now wife) used to live over there when she went to Pacific University, in those apartments next to NE Cornell Rd and NE 51st Ave, right across from the Intel Hawthorne Farm campus. I used to walk past the place down NE Elam Young Pky to get to the Max station.

Cool...I can now list Zap as a member I know lives in Portland....We really all need to get together one day and see the faces behind the post...


Those apartments have to be damn close to where that plane just went down at the air show...That subdiviosn was between cornell and Butler Rd

 

[Zebo]

All the cool people live in Oregon...I need to move to Oregon.

Although they went for Kerry so maybe not..

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: MegaWorks
DUUUDE!!!!!

LMAO!!! I know, I know. Hey, my generation used "dude" to death.

 

[shamans]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Let me know if you'd like build and prices I just did. ...games everything great very fast machine for $555.

Here is card http://shop.ati.com/searchresults.asp?dept_id=39

Yeah, comparative prices would be great
I'm interested in the memory you bought in particular.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: Zebo
All the cool people live in Oregon...I need to move to Oregon.

Although they went for Kerry so maybe not..

Hey, Oregon did , but not me. And Bush is a jackass, but not as bad as Kerry.

DONT START A POLITICAL THING, JUST A COMMENT.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: shamans

Originally posted by: Zebo
Let me know if you'd like build and prices I just did. ...games everything great very fast machine for $555.

Here is card http://shop.ati.com/searchresults.asp?dept_id=39

Yeah, comparative prices would be great
I'm interested in the memory you bought in particular.

No problem..

-2x 512MB ballistix at newegg running at 2-2-2 1T 216 Mhz -for $99
- Asrock 939 Sata2 and 3800 X2 @2600Mhz combo at Mwave.com for $210
-NEC DVD burner and 512MB pen drive @ newegg $26
-160GB Samsung spin point@newegg $54
-Case Coolermaster Centurian @newegg $44
-PSU Had an extra
-x800xl Video card above - $112 shipped

=$545 + $10 shipping