Why I like Master of Orion 2 more than Imperium Galactica 2.

shortylickens

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Building ships is a lot more fun, figuring out how to best deal with each threat requires some thought.

Sometimes its better to add shield piercing to your beam weapons, sometimes it better to add armor piercing to your mass drivers. Sometimes going straight for the structure and systems is better, sometimes just freezing and implosion is your best option.

You can be a sneaky bastard and put down one colony & immediately start making artificial planets behind enemy lines.

The random events are cool, even if you are unlucky you can still use things like hyperspace flux to your advantage.

Your choice of stealing or researching technology. Researching is fairly straightforward and interesting. You can choose to assault planets or sabotage them. Invading or bombarding. You can wipe out all your opponents, or ally with them and rule the council with votes.
You can even attack Antares and end the game relatively fast if you are smart enough. Perhaps even before plundering Orion.

Growing a colony is easy. One and only one of each building type. Makes it simple and eventually they all produce roughly the same.
Multiple planets per star, and the ability to make them from asteroids or gas giants. Thats a potential downside too. Nothing more annoying than coming across 5 asteroids and no way to do anything with them. And if you use a stellar converter to blast the last planet in a system, its useless for the rest of the game. That could be a tactical choice though.
Also, the AI is great for some things like efficiency but not always very tactical. They never attack a planet with a small star base unless they are completely overpowering it, which means they dont take risks. They dont seem to ever make artificial planets or colonize barren worlds. They can be painfully predictable, like asking for an alliance and then immediately demanding you waste everyone else. But overall they are good.

Its easy to find planets for quick n clean colonization. Just go to the Planets screen and if theres something you like, click on it.

You can purchase buildings instantly which is a great way to get them up and running soon. I always go with Automated Factories followed by Cloning Centers. That seems to give my species a leg up and its not expensive.


Why Imperium Galactica 2 is better:

Real time but speed adjustable. You can put multiple space stations around a planet and the enemy will take risks in trying to assault you. You have to pay to auto-upgrade ships which makes way more sense. Of course, there isnt much to do with ships. You always want the "best" equipment and not much else.
Theres a new level of tactical combat thanks to fighters and tanks which are separate from the fleet. Ditto assaulting planets.

You can terraform before you colonize which actually makes more sense. And not every alien species likes the same type of environment, which again is logical.
You can plant a cheap spy satellite on other planets to help you make decisions before you invade or trade. They get destroyed frequently but the cost is usually worth the info. Same with the missions for spy's.

You have to slowly discover planets by searching which is either a hassle or a new level of play, depending on your perspective. Tanks can be customized and those choices actually do matter, a lot more than ships.

Trading is a lot more intricate and you can buy things you normally wouldnt be able to create yourself. Mercenary captains and generals are rarer but they come with their own fleets and sometimes side quests.

Spying is so much better. You can do damn near anything you want. I like to tactically cripple my enemy by taking out their main fleet and then the defense buildings on each planet as I invade it.

Theres a real campaign for each of the three major races and they are quite involved, using the abilities and weaknesses to make for a fun experience.
Only downside is races dont seem to be as overall varied as in MOO2. The only one thats truly different is the Krahen because they can neither spy nor be spied on.

Ship combat is a little less tactical but you can still control things. And they are lovingly rendered in 3D.


Of course, Galactic Civilizations 2 has its pros and cons. But it was never enough to tear me away from other games for more than a week.
My biggest complaint is the lack of control during combat, and the fact you can customize the hell out of your ships but in the end it doesnt really matter. And slowly upgrading colony vessels with each new engine is actually a pain.
 

TidusZ

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I haven't played IG2 but I got endless space recently and I actually think it's better than MOO2 in most ways. It's got some big weaknesses like diplomacy is very limited and there are some negative race picks that are obviously the best ones to take (more so than in MOO2 although I think most people take repulsive and -ground attack).

Every turn in endless space feels important but doesn't take that long to do. In MOO2 you skip 80% of your turns instantly and the other 20% take a long time. A game of MOO2 usually is like 200+ turns whereas a game of ES is 80-150 usually.

The tactical combat in MOO2 is good but most battles are straightforward and I'll just let cpu handle it unless it is being dumb. I don't really like the card system in ES (would rather just an autoresolve without picking cards) but basically autoresolve = good imo.

The only major issue I have with ES is in the late game the computer will pump out tons of crappy ships that pose no threat but you have to autoresolve each battle and you can literally spend 10 minutes autoresolving battles against ships that can't even damage you. After a certain point you just need to win through industry/research or by controlling 75% of the galaxy because it gets ridiculous.

I always play either demolith or a creative race which probably isn't the most exciting (really slow start before you eventually can dominate the game with 1 ship pretty much). The early/mid game expansion of ES is 1000x better than MOO2 imo. The UI is also really efficient and just about perfect.

On a somewhat related note I just got dungeon keeper 2 this past week which was a game I somehow missed when it came out, and the campaign is amazing. If you missed this game like I did then definitely check it out. Campaign probably took me 40-50 hours over 3 days, hella addicting and fun. It gets fairly difficult too, where you will probably have to retry missions and try different things, in a good way.
 
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shortylickens

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RUNNING IG2!


http://windowsgaming.blogspot.com/2010/06/imperium-galactica-2.html

Follow the instructions. You need to install 1.06, 1.08 and then 1.14.

Pro Tip: If you are starting a new campaign or scenario, the game crashes when running higher than 1024x768. Set to this resolution for starting a new game, save it, exit out and then go higher in the setup program. Start again, and this time dont make a new mission, load your old one.

If the setup program gives you a hard time, open the IG2.ini and type in your resolution.
 

Michael

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Galactic Civilizations II just happens to be on sale on Steam right now for 4.99.

Michael
 

Borealis7

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i played IG2 8 or 10 years ago, played MOO2 even before that, and recently played Endless Space. no GALCIV2 yet...in any case IG2 was one of my favorites but Endless Space srated to annoy me after 2 games.
I build and fight constantly but suddenly a pirate force 2 times stronger than anything i have appears and kills all my generals :(

can i haz generals??
 

Martimus

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Galactic Civilizations II just happens to be on sale on Steam right now for 4.99.

Michael

Gal Civ 2 is probably the reason I am no longer with the mother of my child. So I would say it is both quite good (very deep strategic elements that keep you coming back for more), and quite bad (horribly addicting, at least to me).

That first line is an exaggeration, but my addiction to that game didn't help.
 

Slew Foot

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Moo2 is pure shit compared to moo1. Custom race, Democracy, Creative, and you can crush the opponent with both eyes closed, too damn easy
 

ElFenix

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Moo2 I just out researched everyone, made the best ships possible, then killed everything before the opponent got a shot off.