i thought the whole purpose 16:9 widescreen was to eliminate those black bars?
are any films shot in 1.78? why can't we have a standard?
are any films shot in 1.78? why can't we have a standard?
why i have black bars on an hdtv on a widescreen movie?
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Many films are actually shot in a wider aspect ratio than 16:9. (Think about how wide the screen is in a theatre.) So yeah, you still get black bars although much less so than on a 4:3 television.
YOyoYOhowsDAjello
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a previous thread on it
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...ht_key=y&keyword1=bars
You don't really notice it in the theater because often times they will change the shape of the screen's masking system to fit the film they are showing. Sometimes they don't do that and it bugs the hell out of me.
Some films are shot to fit a 16:9 screen quite well, but many of them are wider.
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...ht_key=y&keyword1=bars
You don't really notice it in the theater because often times they will change the shape of the screen's masking system to fit the film they are showing. Sometimes they don't do that and it bugs the hell out of me.
Some films are shot to fit a 16:9 screen quite well, but many of them are wider.
many films are shot in 2.39 instead of 1.78 for the anamorphic screening. The black bars won't be as huge as they are on a 4:3 screen. Most HD programs are shot in 16:9 (typically anything with 720P or 1080P branding).
Full screen version are the same, just the action on the sides is chopped out. Frankly, I rather have black bars than miss the action that occurs on the sides.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A...ge)#Visual_comparisons
check this out:
"2.76:1 - MGM Camera 65 (65 mm with 1.25x anamorphic squeeze). Used only on a handful of films between 1956 and 1964, such as Ben-Hur (1959)."
check this out:
"2.76:1 - MGM Camera 65 (65 mm with 1.25x anamorphic squeeze). Used only on a handful of films between 1956 and 1964, such as Ben-Hur (1959)."
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YOyoYOhowsDAjello
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You can't have your cake and eat it to.
Fill up your whole screen and miss something
OR
Black bars and miss nothing
Well, that is exactly what happens with any "reformated" movie, like the 4:3 versions of DVD's. They cut off the edges of the screen, then "pan and scan" from side to side when someone has decided that you'd miss something important. It looks retarded and you never get to see the whole picture. I'll take black bars any day, as long I get to see the entire frame.
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Sure you can, just buy a 2.35:1 screen with a projector and lens attachment and you will only notice the black bars on movies in the few that are shot in 2.76 or wider. You will see pillar bars on all HDTV, but if you watch a lot of movies and have money to spare, this would be a way to have your cake and eat it, too
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generally, does a film make more money on the big screen than as a home release?
personally i find it odd we have to endure an aspect ratio of say 2.35:1
even big budget movies only last a couple of months at the cinema, but on dvd etc we have it forever
personally i find it odd we have to endure an aspect ratio of say 2.35:1
even big budget movies only last a couple of months at the cinema, but on dvd etc we have it forever
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You have to remember that film making is an art form. I'm sure that it is easier and more pleasant to buy a 24x36" frame for a work of art, but that doesn't mean we should chop off the Mona Lisa to make it fit or force every artist to work on the same ratio canvas size.
Sometimes you need a wider aspect to get the look you are going for. Every movie clearly marks the aspect ratio. If it isn't 1.78:1 or 1.85:1, just pass it up.
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Originally posted by: sivart
Sure you can, just buy a 2.35:1 screen with a projector and lens attachment and you will only notice the black bars on movies in the few that are shot in 2.76 or wider. You will see pillar bars on all HDTV, but if you watch a lot of movies and have money to spare, this would be a way to have your cake and eat it, too
Yeah, I made my own masking system to cover up the bars based on format, but yeah, you still have bars there whenever the format is not 2.35:1 (pillar bars as you mentioned). A couple of my favorite movies are 1.78:1 unfortunately. FYI some projectors out now can offer the same effect as the external lenses with only using zoom features now. That makes it a lot easier and more affordable to consider a constant image height screen.
A 2.35:1 constant image height setup falls under "Black bars and miss nothing"
I think what bothers some is that you get a big screen TV (16x9) and then on wide screen format, the movie appears smaller because it has to shrink it somewhat to fit the full width on the screen. I like having the sides of the picture but I also like big, so sometime I zoom.
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Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Originally posted by: sivart
Sure you can, just buy a 2.35:1 screen with a projector and lens attachment and you will only notice the black bars on movies in the few that are shot in 2.76 or wider. You will see pillar bars on all HDTV, but if you watch a lot of movies and have money to spare, this would be a way to have your cake and eat it, too
Yeah, I made my own masking system to cover up the bars based on format, but yeah, you still have bars there whenever the format is not 2.35:1 (pillar bars as you mentioned). A couple of my favorite movies are 1.78:1 unfortunately. FYI some projectors out now can offer the same effect as the external lenses with only using zoom features now. That makes it a lot easier and more affordable to consider a constant image height screen.
A 2.35:1 constant image height setup falls under "Black bars and miss nothing"
Does the zoom feature affect the PQ at all? If I were doing a projector setup, I would do CIH (constant image height) with a 16:9 projector and an external lens that would allow a 2.35:1 movie to play with no loss of resolution. With a masking system on the sides, people wouldn't even notice a loss of screen size for 16:9 content. That's what they do at the movie theater, and I doubt many, if any, people notice that the screen isn't as wide. They certainly don't see pillar bars on the side.
This setup would allow 16:9 content to be big and 2.35:1 to be even bigger. Also, I don't think people would notice the reduced width of the 16:9 picture as much as they would notice the reduced height of the 2.35:1 picture.
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craziness, isn't it? I was buying widescreen on VHS for our little 19" tuber, lol.
Cinemascope showed in late 50s, early 60s? to combat the popularity of TV. the thought being that the wider screen would sell more tickets. Many films were shot at 1.75, 1.8, and even 2.35. Before cinemascope, many classic films were at 1.33. These will actually look worse on your widescreen if you prefer to stretch it than a 2.35 would be "zoomed" out to remove the bars that you detest.
there is more 1.75/1.8 content than there is 2.35, so the widescreen HDTV format is more utilized, overall.
For those that hate the bars:
suck it up and deal with the actual aspect ratios. Refuse to by "fullscreen" morphed version of films and stop ruining the experience for those of us that actually care about film
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Originally posted by: kalrith
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Originally posted by: sivart
Sure you can, just buy a 2.35:1 screen with a projector and lens attachment and you will only notice the black bars on movies in the few that are shot in 2.76 or wider. You will see pillar bars on all HDTV, but if you watch a lot of movies and have money to spare, this would be a way to have your cake and eat it, too
Yeah, I made my own masking system to cover up the bars based on format, but yeah, you still have bars there whenever the format is not 2.35:1 (pillar bars as you mentioned). A couple of my favorite movies are 1.78:1 unfortunately. FYI some projectors out now can offer the same effect as the external lenses with only using zoom features now. That makes it a lot easier and more affordable to consider a constant image height screen.
A 2.35:1 constant image height setup falls under "Black bars and miss nothing"
Does the zoom feature affect the PQ at all? If I were doing a projector setup, I would do CIH (constant image height) with a 16:9 projector and an external lens that would allow a 2.35:1 movie to play with no loss of resolution. With a masking system on the sides, people wouldn't even notice a loss of screen size for 16:9 content. That's what they do at the movie theater, and I doubt many, if any, people notice that the screen isn't as wide. They certainly don't see pillar bars on the side.
This setup would allow 16:9 content to be big and 2.35:1 to be even bigger. Also, I don't think people would notice the reduced width of the 16:9 picture as much as they would notice the reduced height of the 2.35:1 picture.
Here's some discussion
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1082490
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