Why I believe "liberals" are more Patriotic than Neo-Cons.

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To start with liberals don't go around trying to cut every tax and governement program in existence. They willingly advocate to pay taxes. All I hear from the neo-cons is how bad taxes are. Seems neo-cons lack the patriotism to sacrifice for their country.
Liberals support easier financial access to higher education which is a investment in keeping America strong and competitive. Neo-cons want to keep this money for themselves out of what I believe to be putting personal greed above the well being of their country.
Liberals question the policies and actions of the country, continually trying to improve them. Neo-cons call any criticism 'unpatriotic'. Liberals say we can always do better and neo-cons always say we have done enough.
Liberals opposed the most draconian parts of the "patriot act". Liberals said they would accept some very small risks in some highly unlikely event that finding out someones library list secretly would prevent a terrorist attack. Living up to the Constitution. Neo-cons said we must give up some of our rights to ensure safety. Seems they don't have the patriotism to stand up for the principles this country was founded on and are willing to sacrifice their rights for safety. Seems unpatriotically cowardly to me.
I could go on and on.
Perhaps the most patriotic stand of liberals has been to support our Founding Fathers that America should be a land where no one religion or goup of religions should hold sway. Where people would be wholly free to worship the God of their understanding. Where the government would be a rational entity guided by men whose moral character was formed by their faith but who governed secularly.
Thomas Jefferson and the rest of the Founding Fathers would be appalled we were considering teaching 'intelligent design' in our taxpayer funded schools.
And so are liberals.
 

AntaresVI

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I think that mostly everyone is patriotic, it's just a matter of how one thinks the county should be run. One can disagree completely with someone but still have both parties be "patriotic" if both have a good-faith interest in making the country a better place for everyone.
 

Starbuck1975

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How can someone be "more patriotic" then someone else...I didn't realize that Patriotism was quantifiable.
 

BDawg

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Liberals don't accuse everyone who disagree with them of not being patriotic.

They don't run against a multiple-amputee war veteran by calling him unpatriotic.

Get a brain, morans.
 

ShadesOfGrey

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
How can someone be "more patriotic" then someone else...I didn't realize that Patriotism was quantifiable.

Yeah, isn't it more of an is or isn't type of thing?
 

Moonbeam

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All evil is done in the name of good. The better you think you are the more evil you are. The meek shall inherit the earth refers to the fact that those without ego are free of the enemy. The wall that we build to hide our self hate is what we call love. I am the greatest ego because, of course, I feel like the worst. To be a great a great patriot is to have a great ego. Only he who surrenders to the nothingness can die and be reborn. Thy Will, not my Will, on earth as it is in heaven............
 

Bumrush99

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I will say one thing.. Republicans play the Patriotic ballgame a heck of a lot more than Democrats. They appeal to our emotional attachment to this country by calling dissenters unpatriotic or unamerican. They did it to John Kerry, the did it to Max Cleland, they even threw mud at Mcain when he failed to straddle the official party lines. The worst part about it is that many of the people throwing mud are draft dodging cowards that have no combat experience
 

K1052

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I seem to recall that most of the founders thought that government should be a rather limited construct.

I highly doubt they would look favorably on the "liberal" legacy of state welfare/socialism any moreso than the machinations of the Republicans.
 

ShadesOfGrey

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
All evil is done in the name of good. The better you think you are the more evil you are. The meek shall inherit the earth refers to the fact that those without ego are free of the enemy. The wall that we build to hide our self hate is what we call love. I am the greatest ego because, of course, I feel like the worst. To be a great a great patriot is to have a great ego. Only he who surrenders to the nothingness can die and be reborn. Thy Will, not my Will, on earth as it is in heaven............

In other words, moonbeam is saying that up is down, left is right, forwards is backwards. He just has a 70's stoner way of describing his backwards reality.
 

CaptnKirk

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Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey


In other words, moonbeam is saying that up is down, left is right, forwards is backwards. He just has a 70's stoner way of describing his backwards reality.


. . . and who are you, of all people, to be sitting in judgment of others ?


 

cwjerome

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey


In other words, moonbeam is saying that up is down, left is right, forwards is backwards. He just has a 70's stoner way of describing his backwards reality.


. . . and who are you, of all people, to be sitting in judgment of others ?

I'd think it be everyone's responsibility to judge.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
All evil is done in the name of good. The better you think you are the more evil you are. The meek shall inherit the earth refers to the fact that those without ego are free of the enemy. The wall that we build to hide our self hate is what we call love. I am the greatest ego because, of course, I feel like the worst. To be a great a great patriot is to have a great ego. Only he who surrenders to the nothingness can die and be reborn. Thy Will, not my Will, on earth as it is in heaven............

In other words, moonbeam is saying that up is down, left is right, forwards is backwards. He just has a 70's stoner way of describing his backwards reality.

Hehe, the reality is that you hope, if you can robotically stereotype and pigeon-hole my words into a category popularly thought pejorative, you thereby successfully dismiss the truth they convey.
This should tell you, were you more righted, that what keeps you upside down is the fear of ridicule. You fear that learning the truth will expose you to the hate of other morons like you. I promise you this fear is groundless. You can't humiliate the meek for they have been stripped of false self respect. You will be save in their arms like you have never been. For the righted there is only love and for the upside down only contempt of themselves. Shall we sing, "Hands Across the Water", my friend?
 

Titan

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I hate you all!!!:|

Picking fights with one another is just a waste of energy and breath. So we just sit around and fight with each other while the real criminals run off with all the frickin money.

Libereal, conservatie, if you bother "being" one or the other you are a waste of space in my book. It would be better if we were just all Americans. These general ideas and unwillingness to deal with details is the real problem in america. But no, we have to walk around thinking "wal-mart bad," "liberals good," or whatever.

Think for yourself. Question authority.

Judge not lest ye be judged yourself.
 

ShadesOfGrey

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
All evil is done in the name of good. The better you think you are the more evil you are. The meek shall inherit the earth refers to the fact that those without ego are free of the enemy. The wall that we build to hide our self hate is what we call love. I am the greatest ego because, of course, I feel like the worst. To be a great a great patriot is to have a great ego. Only he who surrenders to the nothingness can die and be reborn. Thy Will, not my Will, on earth as it is in heaven............

In other words, moonbeam is saying that up is down, left is right, forwards is backwards. He just has a 70's stoner way of describing his backwards reality.

Hehe, the reality is that you hope, if you can robotically stereotype and pigeon-hole my words into a category popularly thought pejorative, you thereby successfully dismiss the truth they convey.
This should tell you, were you more righted, that what keeps you upside down is the fear of ridicule. You fear that learning the truth will expose you to the hate of other morons like you. I promise you this fear is groundless. You can't humiliate the meek for they have been stripped of false self respect. You will be save in their arms like you have never been. For the righted there is only love and for the upside down only contempt of themselves. Shall we sing, "Hands Across the Water", my friend?

That's funny, because it seems that you are the one hoping and assuming my hope. Your so-called truth is not the end-all.
So while you may jabber on, it doesn't change my opinion that your backwards world jibberish is 70's stoner speak.

 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
All evil is done in the name of good. The better you think you are the more evil you are. The meek shall inherit the earth refers to the fact that those without ego are free of the enemy. The wall that we build to hide our self hate is what we call love. I am the greatest ego because, of course, I feel like the worst. To be a great a great patriot is to have a great ego. Only he who surrenders to the nothingness can die and be reborn. Thy Will, not my Will, on earth as it is in heaven............

In other words, moonbeam is saying that up is down, left is right, forwards is backwards. He just has a 70's stoner way of describing his backwards reality.

I pray one day you will actually understand what he said.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
All evil is done in the name of good. The better you think you are the more evil you are. The meek shall inherit the earth refers to the fact that those without ego are free of the enemy. The wall that we build to hide our self hate is what we call love. I am the greatest ego because, of course, I feel like the worst. To be a great a great patriot is to have a great ego. Only he who surrenders to the nothingness can die and be reborn. Thy Will, not my Will, on earth as it is in heaven............

In other words, moonbeam is saying that up is down, left is right, forwards is backwards. He just has a 70's stoner way of describing his backwards reality.

Hehe, the reality is that you hope, if you can robotically stereotype and pigeon-hole my words into a category popularly thought pejorative, you thereby successfully dismiss the truth they convey.
This should tell you, were you more righted, that what keeps you upside down is the fear of ridicule. You fear that learning the truth will expose you to the hate of other morons like you. I promise you this fear is groundless. You can't humiliate the meek for they have been stripped of false self respect. You will be save in their arms like you have never been. For the righted there is only love and for the upside down only contempt of themselves. Shall we sing, "Hands Across the Water", my friend?

That's funny, because it seems that you are the one hoping and assuming my hope. Your so-called truth is not the end-all.
So while you may jabber on, it doesn't change my opinion that your backwards world jibberish is 70's stoner speak.

You're right, it't not the end-all, it is the begin-all.
 

ebaycj

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Originally posted by: Titan
I hate you all!!!:|

Picking fights with one another is just a waste of energy and breath. So we just sit around and fight with each other while the real criminals run off with all the frickin money.

Libereal, conservatie, if you bother "being" one or the other you are a waste of space in my book. It would be better if we were just all Americans. These general ideas and unwillingness to deal with details is the real problem in america. But no, we have to walk around thinking "wal-mart bad," "liberals good," or whatever.

Think for yourself. Question authority.

Judge not lest ye be judged yourself.



^ This man is a genius.


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OrByte

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Originally posted by: piasabird
Most of these liberals in Congress voted to fund the war in Iraq. They are Hypocrites.

holy crap a whole thread the other day was hijacked just to debunk this popular "theory" amongst the right-wingers.

holy crap!!!
 

3chordcharlie

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Originally posted by: piasabird
Most of these liberals in Congress voted to fund the war in Iraq. They are Hypocrites.

Could this be less related to the thread? I mean I guess it could be a recipe or something.
 

azazyel

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Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: piasabird
Most of these liberals in Congress voted to fund the war in Iraq. They are Hypocrites.

holy crap a whole thread the other day was hijacked just to debunk this popular "theory" amongst the right-wingers.

holy crap!!!

You mean because it was a vote for the use of force and not for a war? All in all though I am pretty sure everyone knew what the vote was actually going to be used for.
 

ntdz

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Originally posted by: BDawg
Liberals don't accuse everyone who disagree with them of not being patriotic.

They don't run against a multiple-amputee war veteran by calling him unpatriotic.

Get a brain, morans.

They don't? What is the OP doing? Get a brain, moron.
 

Tab

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: BDawg
Liberals don't accuse everyone who disagree with them of not being patriotic.

They don't run against a multiple-amputee war veteran by calling him unpatriotic.

Get a brain, morans.

They don't? What is the OP doing? Get a brain, moron.

Jeez, don't have a cow.