Question Why graphics card placed in a horizontal position.

[gunslinger11]

Ugh, no.



RX 570 is an older product with different power management. Zen2/Matisse is closer to the power management in Vega20 and Navi. Polaris (your 570) is relatively easy to deal with. Punch in a voltage and clockspeed, and it runs at that voltage/clockspeed. Very easy to undervolt.

Just undervolt (NOT underclock) your 570. You'll be fine. Leave the power limit slider alone though.

Dude,
By how much? Current voltage is holding at 01150. Please advise.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Dude,
By how much? Current voltage is holding at 01150. Please advise.

If you watched the video, in the first 30 seconds or so, he lowers voltage to around 1010mV. Start there.

 

[gunslinger11]

If you watched the video, in the first 30 seconds or so, he lowers voltage to around 1010mV. Start there.

Good news!

The ASUS Tweak II doesn't allow moving the slider tot he left to reduce the voltage but there is another slider which is the Target Power. I turned the knob down to -20% and that's all the system allows. So running at 75% of the full power, the GPU temperature was holding at 68C, way below the 75C threshold after 15 minute sof playimg the game, looking good, thanks dude. This means I have more options now. At first. I thought I need to buy 2 more fans and a fan controller for immediate relief.

But now, I am quite troubled by my case, the Bitfenix Prodigy is very caging and my Cosair 750W 80 GOld is 11 years old now. And I don't know whether I should og for AMD or Intel to balance the RX 570 kind of a mid-range card.

Any recommendations?

 

[DrMrLordX]

Try Cases&Cooling forum, they might get you a good recommendation in there. If you want a new CPU, I would definitely look at the Ryzen 3000 series. Many people are buying the R5 3600 and loving it. It's kind of hard to recommend Intel right now.

If you want to do more precise tweaking, try using Wattman instead of Asus Tweak II. The tool used in the video is Wattman. You can probably get more performance and similar power savings by adjusting voltage instead of power limit. Though if -20% power limit satisfies you, then by all means, use it.

 

[gunslinger11]

Try Cases&Cooling forum, they might get you a good recommendation in there. If you want a new CPU, I would definitely look at the Ryzen 3000 series. Many people are buying the R5 3600 and loving it. It's kind of hard to recommend Intel right now.

If you want to do more precise tweaking, try using Wattman instead of Asus Tweak II. The tool used in the video is Wattman. You can probably get more performance and similar power savings by adjusting voltage instead of power limit. Though if -20% power limit satisfies you, then by all means, use it.

I prefer easy-to-use tools.
Actually I have good news, again!

I've go this new card for almost a month now, and only yesterday did I realize how silly I have been! The ASUS GPU Tweak II utility was handicapped heavily in previous versions especially the one which comes with the card. The latest version seems to be much more bug free, however, some of its settings was so stupidly preset.

The fan speed was set to 44% for GPU's temp between 50C - 85C. My God! The GPU felt burning when I touched it at 70C. I can't imagine how hot it would be when it reaches 85C. See the thumbnail.

So here is my adjustment for games like Railway Empire(BTW, great game it is; the continuation of Railroad Tycoon 3) and Civilization 6 (DX12). With this settings, without reducing the GPU power and GPU Core click speed, both games (with all settings max'd out) run with temperature hoovering at 56C and Fan speed doing 75% and FPS is doing great 100+. The only drawback is the fan's erosion in the long run.

Somehow I find ASUS occasionally makes some serious mistakes. Hope this message spreads out to those who are in the same situation.

 

[VirtualLarry]

If you want a new CPU, I would definitely look at the Ryzen 3000 series. Many people are buying the R5 3600 and loving it. It's kind of hard to recommend Intel right now.

I just got a Ryzen R5 3600 a few weeks ago, and I love it. It's a great little CPU, very much recommended, if you want great performance on a budget. If you have the money, the 3900X offers double the cores/threads, AND even more importantly, DOUBLE the L3 cache, as well as double the DRAM write bandwidth.

 

[gunslinger11]

I just got a Ryzen R5 3600 a few weeks ago, and I love it. It's a great little CPU, very much recommended, if you want great performance on a budget. If you have the money, the 3900X offers double the cores/threads, AND even more importantly, DOUBLE the L3 cache, as well as double the DRAM write bandwidth.

Dude,

Thanks a million for your recommendation. I have watched lots of video and read many reviews. One of the Youtube videos actually shows games running on 3600 vs 9400F side by side. Despite, both show almost the same FPS, but 9400F actually struggles in every game, with CPU usage throttling up to nearly 98% whereas 3600 cruising at 45-60% only. Does that mean that 9400F is not as powerful as 3600?

3900X having double cores are for professional office work as well am I right? If I only go for gaming, I don't need that many ores do I?

The only worry I ve got using AMD CPUs is that its heat dissipation. My last using AMD CPU was back to 10 years ago. I fried it accidentally.

 

[VirtualLarry]

For gaming purposes, get the 3600, 3600X, or 3700X, as budget allows, and get an after-market heatsink/fan assembly. The stock cooloer is somewhat OK, but ... not that great. If your case will accommodate it, I recommend 240mm (2x120mm fans) AIO WC kit, RGB optional.

 

[Le Québécois]

I apologize if I missed anything while reading this thread but it seems to me that your main issue here is your Bitfenix Prodigy which is a "tiny" case with not much airflow. You installed a open air cooler video card in here, which by design, needs the case to do the work to remove the heat properly(as opposed to a blower type cooler which is what you usually want to use in a micro ITX case).

Most reviewers will use an open benchmark table for their test which means that they don't have to worry about poor airflow to their components or heat buildup inside of the case so the numbers you'll find will always be on the lower side of things compared to a normal setup. They also usually test with a controlled ambiant temperature. You're posting this in summer(assuming you live in the northern emisphere) which means that, depending if you have AC and how heavily you are using it, you could be also adding a few degree to your temperature readings simply because of that.

I'm not saying that this card wouldn't perform "normally" and be "cool" in a case with great airflow but that's the first thing I would look at considering you are currently speaking about upgrading said system.

PS:My post is written assuming you are using the Bitfenix Prodigy as it came out of the box and that you didn't add more fans or modify it. I also assumed you were using one of the models that didn't come with the open mesh type panel on the front(the black one, all or the others have a solid panel blocking most of the airflow).

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Dude,

Thanks a million for your recommendation. I have watched lots of video and read many reviews. One of the Youtube videos actually shows games running on 3600 vs 9400F side by side. Despite, both show almost the same FPS, but 9400F actually struggles in every game, with CPU usage throttling up to nearly 98% whereas 3600 cruising at 45-60% only. Does that mean that 9400F is not as powerful as 3600?

3900X having double cores are for professional office work as well am I right? If I only go for gaming, I don't need that many ores do I?

The only worry I ve got using AMD CPUs is that its heat dissipation. My last using AMD CPU was back to 10 years ago. I fried it accidentally.

The Ryzen processors have a ludicrous amount of heat sensors per a forgotten poster on these forums. Don’t think it’s possible to fry one it would shit down before that happened.

I wish I could remember the number but it was something crazy like 5,000. Mind boggling to think something so small can have so many parts/sensors

@VirtualLarry am I sort of correct?

 

[gunslinger11]

Thanks all of you who replied me, I came here a few times before.

 

[gunslinger11]

For gaming purposes, get the 3600, 3600X, or 3700X, as budget allows, and get an after-market heatsink/fan assembly. The stock cooloer is somewhat OK, but ... not that great. If your case will accommodate it, I recommend 240mm (2x120mm fans) AIO WC kit, RGB optional.

Thanks for the information, I am still hesitating if I should get an AMD 3600 or an Intel 9400F. I am also waiting for ASUS ROG STRIX X570-I, it looks like ASUS is delaying the release??

 

[gunslinger11]

I apologize if I missed anything while reading this thread but it seems to me that your main issue here is your Bitfenix Prodigy which is a "tiny" case with not much airflow. You installed a open air cooler video card in here, which by design, needs the case to do the work to remove the heat properly(as opposed to a blower type cooler which is what you usually want to use in a micro ITX case).

Glad you pointed out all that. You're quite right, the Bitfenix Prodigy is quite tiny, but looking at cases released in recent years, this little case has some merits but not robust. The hanger attached to the base of the case has broken 6 months ago. I have to use some unused books to elevate it. When you mention blower type, I suppose you mean front intake and exhaust at the rear?

Most reviewers will use an open benchmark table for their test which means that they don't have to worry about poor airflow to their components or heat buildup inside of the case so the numbers you'll find will always be on the lower side of things compared to a normal setup. They also usually test with a controlled ambiant temperature. You're posting this in summer(assuming you live in the northern emisphere) which means that, depending if you have AC and how heavily you are using it, you could be also adding a few degree to your temperature readings simply because of that.

Thanks for the information. I do have the same feeling too. Indeed, if I get the air conditioner on, the card's temp drops by 3 degrees. This ASUS card is very sensitive to ambient temperature.

I'm not saying that this card wouldn't perform "normally" and be "cool" in a case with great airflow but that's the first thing I would look at considering you are currently speaking about upgrading said system.

Several reasons really, take a look, I have taken a screen shot while I was replacing the rear stock fan with EK Furious Vadar FF5-120 3000 RPM Fan just purchased from a retailer downtown. My beloved ASUS P8Z77-I Deluxe was dusted heavily around the CPU area (sorry for the poor quality I used one of my very low end phones)
Another reason is that I ve found my new graphics card very fast, 173% faster than my previous GTX 560 Ti. https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-560-Ti-vs-AMD-RX-570/2180vs3924 In fact, it runs Mafia II, Civilization VI, Assassin Creed Syndicate, all above 100+ and lately I have got Railway Empire which runs 60+ FPS. I naturally presume that upgrading the CPU will certainly further increase all games FPS and secure a better FPS performance for future games when they are optimised for more cores and threads.[/QUOTE]

PS:My post is written assuming you are using the Bitfenix Prodigy as it came out of the box and that you didn't add more fans or modify it. I also assumed you were using one of the models that didn't come with the open mesh type panel on the front(the black one, all or the others have a solid panel blocking most of the airflow).

Your Sherlock Holmes style stuns me! You're right I have never change the stock fans and default orientations which I regret very much. That's why I have purchased the 3000 rmp fan. I have also attached the image of the stock Bitfenix fan.

To be fair, the Bitfenix fan is very very quite, whereas this new Furious Vadar has it name chosen most appropriately, when it is operating at 50% I can actually hear the bearing sound (unlucky probably, got a bad one from the retail). I am learning to use the SpeedFan and tried 100%, it sounds a little like a vacuum cleaner to be honest. Having said that, I can feel with my hand at the rear of the case that air are pulling out obviously, compared to the 3 pin stock fan. I also removed the front mesh panel (see my screenshots). I thought this will help ventilate more air intake at the front and let the Furious fan furiously pull all the air out.

But I am not sure if I have done one thing correct, see the screenshot, I placed the Corsair 120mm radiator/stock fan at one of the fan cutouts. Now as I have the other stock fan idle, shall I install it to the remaining cutout and should it be pulling out air or pulling air in? Both the radiator fan and the other fan are 3 pin so no control of their speed is possible.

By the way, It's really a comfort to have your replies, I have been coming back a couple of times but seeing there were no replies I left...