Question Why graphics card placed in a horizontal position.

[gunslinger11]

I am planning to build a new system, my current rig has been running for 6 years now.
To gather more information, I do lots of research mainly on youtube about cases as I believe a good case means better cooling for overall system.

In fact, I have replaced my graphics card a few weeks ago, it's the ASUS ROG Strix RX 570 4GB O version. Previously I was using the Inno3D GTX 560Ti which was a good card.

The game I used to play is Civilization 6 and it gets my graphics card damn hot, so much so you can fry an egg on it. Noticed 2 things: the card is running at 75C, and the hotest part of the card is not its dual fans in fact the dual fans are blowing out cold air not hot one, to my amazement, the hotest part is the back of the card.

Is that why most of case nowadays have the graphics card placed in a horizontal manner? I have also noticed that some cases have the fan at the front (pulling air in) lined up with the graphics card in such a way that the cold air pulled in from outside can brush away the hot air radiated from the back of the graphics card.

Any good recommendation of a good case?

 

[DrMrLordX]

A 570 shouldn't be running that hot. Seems like the cooling solution is having problems moving heat away from the GPU. Did you buy the card used?

 

[gunslinger11]

A 570 shouldn't be running that hot. Seems like the cooling solution is having problems moving heat away from the GPU. Did you buy the card used?

When I just doing desktop things like now surfing the net, its temperature is holding at 26-28 range, is that ok?

75C is when after running Civilization 6 after just 15 minutes or so, I must admit that my case is not very well ventilated, the case is Bitfenix Prodigy. It has a front fan. On the rear, it is occupied by an old Cosair H60 (Not the LED version) 's radiator and it's fan. So despite the case front fan pulls air in, the rear doesn't really do the pull out job 100%. I should have used 2 fan at the top for pull out air though.

And I am not complaining just like to say Civilization 6 or earlier version like Civilization 5 also makes GPU running ultra hot. I am running Mafia II also at ultra settings but the temperatiure of my GPU max'd out at around 57C which is ok?

By the way, do you know what is the safe temperature of my graphics card?

 

[VirtualLarry]

RX 570 GPU is good to like 85C. 75C, while warm, is not the max temp.

 

[BurnItDwn]

To supplement Larry's post, this article is pretty decent
https://www.wepc.com/tips/optimal-cpu-gpu-temperature-gaming/

what is the ambient temperature of the room you are in?
Do you have any other sensors inside the PC case, is there enough airflow into the case from outside (intake fans?)
You are probably fine, but, maybe some minor tweaking or adding an intake fan might help to reduce the temperature a little?

 

[gunslinger11]

RX 570 GPU is good to like 85C. 75C, while warm, is not the max temp.

But as you might know, playing Civilization VI normally takes 6 to 7 hours, I mean does RX 570 GPU can cope with such stress?

I am in the process of finding a right CPU for RX 570 actually, would you recommend which Intel and AMD to match with the performance of RX 570?

For your recommendation, I normally play some old games like Mafia II(DX9), Civilization VI (DX12). And for new games, I will play Age of Empire Definitive Edition(DX11).

 

[gunslinger11]

To supplement Larry's post, this article is pretty decent
https://www.wepc.com/tips/optimal-cpu-gpu-temperature-gaming/

what is the ambient temperature of the room you are in?
Do you have any other sensors inside the PC case, is there enough airflow into the case from outside (intake fans?)
You are probably fine, but, maybe some minor tweaking or adding an intake fan might help to reduce the temperature a little?

Thanks for the information, I can see that 74C is the maximum temperature my card can take. Looks like I must replace my rig as soon as possible. Can you recommend me a case? I have the Cosaid Spec 06 in mind. It comes with 2 fans one in the front, the other at the rear. If I purchase that case and I go for an AMD CPU, should I use stock cooler I take it that stock cooler can handle the cooling job pretty well if I don't overclock, do I understand correctly?

Thanks for your help and advice in advance.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

But as you might know, playing Civilization VI normally takes 6 to 7 hours, I mean does RX 570 GPU can cope with such stress?

I am in the process of finding a right CPU for RX 570 actually, would you recommend which Intel and AMD to match with the performance of RX 570?

For your recommendation, I normally play some old games like Mafia II(DX9), Civilization VI (DX12). And for new games, I will play Age of Empire Definitive Edition(DX11).

I can say play Civ 6 in DX11 mode, just runs better than DX12
I play online matches with friends that can go 2-3 hours. I do have an occasional crash but very occasional like 2-4 per year.
My machine is very old
Q9650
8GB
AMD/Asus 280x

I’ve hosted several multiplayer games and had no real problems other than the occasional crash or Civ takes time synching to the other players machines.

 

[gunslinger11]

I can say play Civ 6 in DX11 mode, just runs better than DX12
I play online matches with friends that can go 2-3 hours. I do have an occasional crash but very occasional like 2-4 per year.
My machine is very old
Q9650
8GB
AMD/Asus 280x

I’ve hosted several multiplayer games and had no real problems other than the occasional crash or Civ takes time synching to the other players machines.

I'll check out DX11. But I heard that Windows 10 with DX12 on which Civ 6 runs will get more frame rates, so I give it a go. Indeed, it shoots up to 100+ with Max settings. I guess it may due to Max settings that I engaged which causes the temperature go soaring high. And also I play with AI, so lots of computations maybe that's why.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I'll check out DX11. But I heard that Windows 10 with DX12 on which Civ 6 runs will get more frame rates, so I give it a go. Indeed, it shoots up to 100+ with Max settings. I guess it may due to Max settings that I engaged which causes the temperature go soaring high. And also I play with AI, so lots of computations maybe that's why.

On my machine it’s slower with dx12.
Important note on the built in benchmark thing.
You want a low result, the number displayed is time to render the scene, not frames per second.
Lower number means it’s running faster.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Thanks for the information, I can see that 74C is the maximum temperature my card can take. Looks like I must replace my rig as soon as possible.

While there are some good deals to be had out there, replacing the whole thing might not be necessary. Have you considered undervolting your 570?

I would say, skip the part where he reduces power target and just go for the undervolt. Should lower your temps and power usage a bit. Try 1010mV and go down from there until it becomes unstable.

. And also I play with AI, so lots of computations maybe that's why.

Unless they're GPGPU calculations, AI shouldn't affect your GPU temps at all.

 

[gunslinger11]

On my machine it’s slower with dx12.
Important note on the built in benchmark thing.
You want a low result, the number displayed is time to render the scene, not frames per second.
Lower number means it’s running faster.

I have tested out again, DX11 makes the game "FIXED" at 60 FPS. But it still goes up to 75C eventually, I shut the game down right away.
With DX12, the FPS soars to 100+ which is amazing with my CPU being 6 years old technologies (i5-3570K).

 

[gunslinger11]

While there are some good deals to be had out there, replacing the whole thing might not be necessary. Have you considered undervolting your 570?

I would say, skip the part where he reduces power target and just go for the undervolt. Should lower your temps and power usage a bit. Try 1010mV and go down from there until it becomes unstable.



Unless they're GPGPU calculations, AI shouldn't affect your GPU temps at all.

Thanks for the video (watch many many youtube videos lately because want ot build a new rig). And thanks for the pointer, but I really dont want to under clock. Actually despite back in 2013, I bought this i5-3570K knowing the fact that K means unlock but I never overclock anything I believe that's why the system still lasts for a while despite its very dusted though XD.

By the way, now that I have this new RX570 which is AMD system., should I select AMD 3400G or even 3600X so the CPU match the GPU as they are both AMD. Also I heard that X570 iTX is better than X470 ITX because it supports faster RAM, but ASUS X570 ITXstill not out yet, should I wait or get the Gigabyte X570 ITX?

And could you help me to understand whether I should get a mATX instead of ITX for more fan hearders and better resources? My instinct tells me that ITX board should get signals travel faster because of smaller size overally speaking.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Honestly, I mean, I've had my RX 570 cards (and my Ryzen CPUs, for that matter) "cooking" @ 80-85C (mining), and they're still working. Probably not the greatest for them, but that's (barely) within spec. Then again, I don't always play things the safest.

I used to run overclocked Pentium Dual Core Conroe CPUs, E2140, overclocked from 1.6Ghz, to 3.2Ghz (if I could), and running Distributed Computing (similar load as mining, and so-called power viruses) 24/7 on it, and those lasted quite a few years (had some CoolerMaster tower heatpipe coolers, 92mm fan, which were basically nearly-new technology back then), until those CPUs were replaced with quad-cores (same coolers). Still work today, AFAIK. (Don't have them hooked up right now, but they were working when I put them away.)

On a modern GPU, I would NOT be very concerned about a 75C temp, unless you were running the card passively.

On another note, have you tried using Wattman, or 3rd-party software, to increase fan-speeds, or change the curves? You might be able to simply up the fan-speed under load, and keep temps lower. Along with some undervolting (so I hear, never tried it, I just adjust the Power slider to -10% when mining, keeps the cards from rebooting.)

 

[Flayed]

You could just cut a hole in the side of the case for a fan pointed at the GPU

 

[DrMrLordX]

. And thanks for the pointer, but I really dont want to under clock.

You don't have to underclock. Just undervolt. Leave the clockspeeds alone.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I have tested out again, DX11 makes the game "FIXED" at 60 FPS. But it still goes up to 75C eventually, I shut the game down right away.
With DX12, the FPS soars to 100+ which is amazing with my CPU being 6 years old technologies (i5-3570K).

How did you determine the FPS?

 

[gunslinger11]

How did you determine the FPS?

The ASUS ROG STRIX RX 570 4GB O comes with a utility called GPU Tweak II. It reports the game FPS and the GPU temp and FAN speed along with a few other information. Sometimes I will use MSI Burner just to display the FPS.

 

[Flayed]

Am I missing something but isn't 75 C a perfectly reasonable temperature for a GPU to reach?

 

[gunslinger11]

Am I missing something but isn't 75 C a perfectly reasonable temperature for a GPU to reach?

But this link worries me

https://www.wepc.com/tips/optimal-cpu-gpu-temperature-gaming/

Check the ceiling temperature for RX 570, it says specifically 75C

 

[gunslinger11]

You don't have to underclock. Just undervolt. Leave the clockspeeds alone.

I am still do research work and hit this video, it talks about the X570 BIOS issues, apparently, AMD has possibly "over-volt" their CPU?!

If he is right, then RX 570 might be suffering from this issue too. I have noticed that when playing the Civ 6 games, apart from the 75C heat dissipation, the power consumption of thre card go over 110W.

Looks like I'll return to Intel CPU playing safe.

 

[gunslinger11]

The seconds screenshot : When doing just desktop stuffs, this is the temperature.
The first screenshot: After 5 minutes play (on Ultra settings)

 

[Flayed]

I;m surprised thou as I always thought Asus cards had overbuilt cooling solutions to justify their high price. Have you tried turning up the fan speed on the card? Also with Civ being a turn based strategy game is there really any need for high fps? I would turn on V-Sync and play at 60 fps which would likely reduce the GPU temperature substantially.

 

[gunslinger11]

I;m surprised thou as I always thought Asus cards had overbuilt cooling solutions to justify their high price. Have you tried turning up the fan speed on the card? Also with Civ being a turn based strategy game is there really any need for high fps? I would turn on V-Sync and play at 60 fps which would likely reduce the GPU temperature substantially.

No, you see, my previous card Inno3D GTX 560Ti died recently but it had served me for a little longer than 6 years. I believe it is because I never overclock the GPU nor the CPU.

But just now, I have noticed that the spec actually says this RX 570 is an overclock ROG STRIX GPU. Maybe a little more voltage has been put into it out of the factory.

Regarding the FPS, you're quite right. It's just that after moving to Windows 10 since Saturday, I have found all games even for those old games back in 2013 (Strike Fighter 2 a flight sim used to eat more frame rates) have their FPS go over 100! I am happy of course and will never go back to Windows 7. Maybe DX 12 also helps, because it is said that AMD Graphics card takes advantages of DX 12 .

The reason I have Civ 6 running so hot is because of the settings maybe. But back into those days of my previous 560 Ti, the game runs hotter than any others; in Winter, running the game will warm up my room, I had the top cover of my Bitfenix opened actually.

 

[DrMrLordX]

I am still do research work and hit this video, it talks about the X570 BIOS issues, apparently, AMD has possibly "over-volt" their CPU?!

Ugh, no.

If he is right, then RX 570 might be suffering from this issue too.

RX 570 is an older product with different power management. Zen2/Matisse is closer to the power management in Vega20 and Navi. Polaris (your 570) is relatively easy to deal with. Punch in a voltage and clockspeed, and it runs at that voltage/clockspeed. Very easy to undervolt.

Just undervolt (NOT underclock) your 570. You'll be fine. Leave the power limit slider alone though.