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Why graphic designers continue to use macs

notfred

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This argument is so old, but IT people and techy friends keep trying to get graphic designers to buy PCs. The argument is that PC hardware is faster than mac hardware, for cheaper. Ok, that's true. Here are some of the reasons that it doesn't matter.

Let's assume a person is a ble to get a PC that's $1000 cheaper than a mac, while being 25% faster for my examples.

Hardware speed:
Most of the stuff graphic designers do doesn't peg CPU usage at 100%. They spend a lot of time typing text, drawing lines, moving boxes of text. 90% of the time, they could do all this stuff on a P3 800 or a similarly clocked G4 and not notice any slowdown. Less than 10% of the time are they actually going to see any benefit from that increased processing power. So, when you've got a machine that's 25% faster 10% of the time, you've got a machine that's 2.5% faster overall. Big deal.

Color:
The macintosh has built-in software for color calibration. A lot of effort has been spent to make sure that you can get your mac set up so that the color you see on the screen is the same color that's going to come out of a printer. Windows has always been a lot worse at this. This may seem like a small detail, but it's not. When you print 10,000 copies of a 90 page magazine, your printing costs aren't cheap. You send your file to a printer, and a few days later they send you back boxes and boxes of printed magazines. You know what you do if those magazines are all the wrong color? You print them again. That kind of problem will eat up the $1000 you saved by buying a cheaper PC *really* quick.

Fonts:
The mac has better software for managing fonts than the PC does. This doesn't matter to a lot of people who aren't graphic designers. We use the same 10 fonts over and over again, and we don't need to know exactly where to find precise fonts all that often. This is different if you've got 500 fonts on your machine, and you need to be able to find one that looks appropriate in a particular piece of work. The mac has built-in font management software, and windows doesn't. If you can find the right font in 5 minutes on a mac, and 20 minutes on a pC, it makes a lot more difference in your actual productivity than a CPU that's 2.5% faster.

Software:
Graphic designers use expensive software. Adobe Creative Suite is $1,200. These people who have been using macs for a long time alreadyown the macintosh version. If they buy a PC, then they need to buy the PC version. Spending $1200 to save $1000 isn't really a very good deal.

Operating Systems:
Most of us on this site are good at using windows. We've been doing it for a long time. However, we didn't pick it up overnight. Neither do mac users. It takes a little while to figure out how to install fonts and software, where to save your files, how to hook uip a printer, etc. Now, remember that graphic designers are trying to get work done. They get paid to create graphics, not install printers and learn windows. If they have to spend a week or two of thier time figuring out how to use windows, they've lost thier $1000 savings by not being productive during that time.

Asthetics:
Beleive it or not, graphic designers care how stuff looks. That's why they got into graphic design. The way things look makes a difference to them, and that's why they've made it thier profession. You might not think that it's worth an extra $1000 to have a machine with a prettier OS, prettier case, and that draws text a little bit more nicely than another. Do you think designers share that view? It's likely they don't. They make thier living by design, they obviously beleive that design is worth money, since they get paid to do it, they're mostly willing to shell out a bit of extra money for something that they actually think has good design. That's a mac, not a Dell.


I could go on with this, but can we suffice it to say that price/performance ratio is not the only thing that matters to graphic designers? There's a lot more involved in getting work done than just having a fast CPU.
 
I mostly agree with your argument, but I don't agree with the argument about OS and aesthetics. I'll post why later, have to go now, so just marking this topic.
 
:thumbsup:

but as usual, there's no use in arguing with nerds cause no matter what you say they'll think they're more elite so pc is always better
 
Have you ever thought about their culture? 10 years ago Macs were highly superious for graphic design, people tend to stick to what they know.
 
Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
So why do non graphic designers use Macs?
I don't know but most of them:

1. don't get laid
2. are kind of dense
3. work in education
4. have 22 cats
5. drive a VW "new" beetle
6. don't get laid
 
Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
So why do non graphic designers use Macs?
I don't know but most of them:

1. don't get laid
2. are kind of dense
3. work in education
4. have 22 cats
5. drive a VW "new" beetle
6. don't get laid

Compared to the PC people here:
1. don't get laid
2. are whiny bitches
3. work with computers
4. have 22 fleshlights
5. drive a Honda Civic
6. don't get laid

😉
 
...built-in software for color calibration.

...better software for managing fonts

...something that they actually think has good design.


As far as I know, that "built-in" software is included with any Adobe graphics bundle. There's likely some simple ass font manager available as freeware or cheap shareware. Either machine can use the same monitor, and the stinkin' box can be tucked under the desk, or behind a door. If you "really" care about aesthetics, the box won't be visible at all!

Multiply $1,000.00 times the number of boxes used in the company, times how frequently they need to be replaced, and the cost of lining Apple's pockets for no good reason, makes less sense with every dollar thrown away.
 
Ok - this post is pointless because all the new macs are going to be using Intel anyway so the speed issue is now moot.

5. drive a Honda Civic
Yes but it's a riced out Civic and that makes all the difference in the world!!!!
 
I agree with you, but it doesn't explain the 99% of Mac users whose graphic design skills would be tested by cropping an image and who've made a lifetime total of $0.00 by doing it.
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
...built-in software for color calibration.

...better software for managing fonts

...something that they actually think has good design.


As far as I know, that "built-in" software is included with any Adobe graphics bundle. There's likely some simple ass font manager available as freeware or cheap shareware. Either machine can use the same monitor, and the stinkin' box can be tucked under the desk, or behind a door. If you "really" care about aesthetics, the box won't be visible at all!

Multiply $1,000.00 times the number of boxes used in the company, times how frequently they need to be replaced, and the cost of lining Apple's pockets for no good reason, makes less sense with every dollar thrown away.

Don't post if you don't know. Apple has ColorSync built into the OS, which provides excellent color accuracy. The font manager is not a part of Adobe's software, either, but rather a part of OS X, and is called Font Book. And if you really cared about aesthetics, that does not mean you would hide a computer 😉. IF it looks good, it can be used to enhance the room, but thats beyond the point.
 
The colour calibration arguement doesn't fly.

The weakest part of the link is the monitor. You will have to spend BIG BIG bux to get a 'real' colour calibrated monitor. The 22" Sony costs about £1k for a CRT monitor. It takes 30mins to get the right colours also. They will most definately have an eye colour calibration device and not use the Adobe thing. THAT is not accurate for when a graphics designer needs it imo.

I have no problems with macs and think they are great :thumbsup: but the dam one button mouse IS A CRIME on their laptops...

Koing
 
Actually, the real reason has a lot more to do with what essentially amounts to tradition and to opportunity costs.

Initially, Macs were far superior for graphic applications, and while that's no longer true, they are already entrenched in those industries. The cost to switch over to a different system is huge. The software will all have to be changed, and the learning curve for a new system is a huge cost to a company.

Basically, the switching costs are terrible.

ZV
 
Originally posted by: SLCentral
Originally posted by: ggnl
they like the 1-button mouse?

😕😕

STFU troll.

He isn't trolling. It is a valid point imo. Less for for the desktop as you can juse get another one but for the laptop it stinks. I don't want to carry a mouse with me all the time...

Koing
 
:thumbsup:

I have a Powerbook (best computer I've ever owned, bar none) and spent 3 years in graphic design. I've worked with Adobe's Creative Suite on both a PC and a mac, and for some reason I just like working with it more on a mac. I just do, dunno why.
 
Originally posted by: Koing
Originally posted by: SLCentral
Originally posted by: ggnl
they like the 1-button mouse?

😕😕

STFU troll.

He isn't trolling. It is a valid point imo. Less for for the desktop as you can juse get another one but for the laptop it stinks. I don't want to carry a mouse with me all the time...

Koing

Most graphic design is done on a desktop system, and therefore, is a comment that is unnecessary, not to mention the fact that a laptop does have USB ports.
 
Calibrating monitor
  • As far as what software to use, there's the free ColorSync calibration
    software, and there's also a nice piece of software called SuperCal,
    that's fully-functioning shareware. But if you spend any money at all on
    calibrating your monitor, you want to use one of the hardware solutions
    that takes the form of a puck you attach to your monitor. This is much
    more accurate than eyeballing it.
Either the PC or Mac used for big buck printing will BOTH require the hardware solution. Adobe includes "Gamma" no matter which version of Photoshop you buy, so that's moot as well.

Font Tools cheap and aplenty...
 
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