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housecat

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Originally posted by: Creig
Originally posted by: housecat

Whats wrong with you man? Do you have a problem or something? This isnt about NV/ATI. Can you even read?
You are just tired of getting the smack laid down on you by myself and Rollo. Get over yourself.

I don't ever recall getting "the smack laid down" on me by you. Why? Because unlike you, I don't go around talking crap and making statements that can't be backed up with some sort of proof.

Can't you EVER participate in a topic without throwing your 13 year old "tough guy" routine into it?


* I don't recall ever getting "the smack laid down" on me by Rollo either for that matter, but I'm not bringing his and my issues into this "discussion".

Thats the thing, we werent even discussing ATI/NV but you had to make it into that. What dave and I were speaking about was not ATI/NV. You own yourself creig old boy.

Everything is either black or white for you.
NV or ATI.

You called me out as a fanboy as usual.. but its just damn ironic you are prob the biggest fanboy to rule them all. Thats the point, and you have to make every argument i get into with someone else about.. SOMEHOW connected to your mental war against your NV enemies.

Seriously delusional.
And hey about the '13yr old toughguy routine', at least i have testosterone running thru my body. Let me know when your balls drop dingleberry. Then you can talk.
 
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Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Some have mentioned they see no bias in the reviews@B3D, just the forums, I see bias the moment I peruse the test setup. B3D studiously avoids nV chipsets in favor of Via despite the fact that nV has been considered by enthusiasts, the chipset of choice for the AMD desktop platform since nforce2. It is the little things that speak volumes sometimes.

BTW, I did read the article and quite frankly, the screenshots suck. Could you have picked a crappier wall to use for the comparison??? :roll: xtknight's screenshots are a much better way to see the differences It is a bandwidth thing that doesn't permit similar comparisons, right? Couldn't you at least use surfaces like xt did that show how the mortar comes out, or the bricks in the street? Give me a fvckin' break.</bashing>


even on the b3d ones...theres clear banding on reflected light with the SM1.1 path
 

Matthias99

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You called me out as a fanboy as usual.. but its just damn ironic you are prob the biggest fanboy to rule them all. Thats the point, and you have to make every argument i get into with someone else about.. SOMEHOW connected to your mental war against your NV enemies.

Seriously delusional.
And hey about the '13yr old toughguy routine', at least i have testosterone running thru my body. Let me know when your balls drop dingleberry. Then you can talk.

Either take this crap to OT or cut the personal attacks and off-topic arguing out. Or else this thread will end up locked and several people will probably end up with warnings and/or some time off given the way this is going.
 

Drayvn

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I think SM3 is a great thing to come.

Probably not used enuf now, but again its early for a this new technology, so we will be seeing better and better things. Especially when UE3 comes out.

I at the moment have an X850XT-PE but thats because it gives me the best performance, and i also get the best and newest thing. And it was considerably cheaper than the competition. I have money to buy the best of everything, but i still dont look away when i see a good deal. And anyway ill be upgrading in the next few months, so im not bothered if i cant see any SM3 stuff for a few months as the games which have them will probably still be installed on my computer so when i get the new Card ill be able to see them anyway.

And pass me the popcorn, this inferno is WILD!

By the way Housecat is always attacking someone, no matter who it is, and even sometimes if you read all his posts he goes against some of what hes saying, so it seems he has no clue what hes talking about... And i think ill get flamed by him for saying this, but oh well...
 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: Drayvn
I at the moment have an X850XT-PE but thats because it gives me the best performance, and i also get the best and newest thing. And it was considerably cheaper than the competition. I have money to buy the best of everything, but i still dont look away when i see a good deal. And anyway ill be upgrading in the next few months, so im not bothered if i cant see any SM3 stuff for a few months as the games which have them will probably still be installed on my computer so when i get the new Card ill be able to see them anyway.

Interesting you bought a X850XTPE card when you say you "have money to buy the best of everything", when that card is not the "best" at anything? 6800U SLI is far better?

 

Creig

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Originally posted by: Rollo
Interesting you bought a X850XTPE card when you say you "have money to buy the best of everything", when that card is not the "best" at anything? 6800U SLI is far better?

Isn't the X850XT PE faster at most benchmarks than a single 6800U? Wouldn't that qualify it as the "best" single card solution currently available?
 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: Creig
Originally posted by: Rollo
Interesting you bought a X850XTPE card when you say you "have money to buy the best of everything", when that card is not the "best" at anything? 6800U SLI is far better?

Isn't the X850XT PE faster at most benchmarks than a single 6800U? Wouldn't that qualify it as the "best" single card solution currently available?

The problem with the X850 XTPE is that it's a $500+ card that has no SM3, EXR HDR, soft stencil shadows so you have an expensive card that you take lesser image quality in three of todays biggest games. Presuming you're planning on keeping it a while, the list could grow?

Furthermore, the "best" since last November is two 6800Us. Second best is two 6800GTs. Third best is either a X850XT PE or a 6800UE.

Edit: Oops. I forgot that 512MB 6800Us are available now, so shift everything down one.
"4th best" is not the "best of everything".

No offense intended Dravyn, but you can see why I might disagree with you stating the X850XT PE is the "best".
 

Creig

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Originally posted by: housecat

Thats the thing, we werent even discussing ATI/NV but you had to make it into that. What dave and I were speaking about was not ATI/NV. You own yourself creig old boy.

Everything is either black or white for you.
NV or ATI.

You called me out as a fanboy as usual.. but its just damn ironic you are prob the biggest fanboy to rule them all. Thats the point, and you have to make every argument i get into with someone else about.. SOMEHOW connected to your mental war against your NV enemies.

Seriously delusional.
And hey about the '13yr old toughguy routine', at least i have testosterone running thru my body. Let me know when your balls drop dingleberry. Then you can talk.


Grow up.
 

Creig

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Originally posted by: Rollo

The problem with the X850 XTPE is that it's a $500+ card that has no SM3, EXR HDR, soft stencil shadows so you have an expensive card that you take lesser image quality in three of todays biggest games. Presuming you're planning on keeping it a while, the list could grow?

Furthermore, the "best" since last November is two 6800Us. Second best is two 6800GTs. Third best is either a X850XT PE or a 6800UE.

Edit: Oops. I forgot that 512MB 6800Us are available now, so shift everything down one.
"4th best" is not the "best of everything".

No offense intended Dravyn, but you can see why I might disagree with you stating the X850XT PE is the "best".


Yes, but it is still the fastest single video card available, isn't it? To those who crave the highest FPS possible and either have only one video card slot or don't want SLI, wouldn't it be the "best"?
 

ronnn

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I like b3d, biased or not. Articles and forums give a more detailed perspective. I would never post there as the forums are really for people who know what they are talking about. The article on Splinter Cell was interesting and confirmed to me that I need to upgrade before I buy that game. :beer:
 

Keysplayr

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Originally posted by: Creig
Originally posted by: Rollo

The problem with the X850 XTPE is that it's a $500+ card that has no SM3, EXR HDR, soft stencil shadows so you have an expensive card that you take lesser image quality in three of todays biggest games. Presuming you're planning on keeping it a while, the list could grow?

Furthermore, the "best" since last November is two 6800Us. Second best is two 6800GTs. Third best is either a X850XT PE or a 6800UE.

Edit: Oops. I forgot that 512MB 6800Us are available now, so shift everything down one.
"4th best" is not the "best of everything".

No offense intended Dravyn, but you can see why I might disagree with you stating the X850XT PE is the "best".


Yes, but it is still the fastest single video card available, isn't it? To those who crave the highest FPS possible and either have only one video card slot or don't want SLI, wouldn't it be the "best"?

Creig, stop narrowing things down until all thats left is a X850XTPE. ANYONE who wants the best of the best will go SLI'd 6800U's. Nobody said you have to settle for a single card this round when you have the option for two. If you have a single slot mobo, thats that persons limitation, nothing else. So yes, you are "limited" to the 3rd or 4th fastest graphics solution out there if you have a single slot mobo, which can always be changed.

What are your thoughts on the 3 current games Rollo mentioned and the X850XTPE's inability to render them completely or correctly? I'd like to see you actually address a direct question with a direct answer. Please. If you don't want to, I'd sure as hell like to know why..

 

Keysplayr

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Originally posted by: doublejbass
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: doublejbass
Originally posted by: XBoxLPU
AOE 3


'Nuff Said

I won't play it.

'nuff said.

(Just get it through your heads that the significance of SM3 is minimal at best.)

How very profound. That's deep man. Even if what you say in parenthesis was true, I would rather have minimal significance than none. Get THAT through your calcium deposited skullcap. :D

Sure, but given the choice between better performance or SM3 at the same price point (or, if the ATI card is less, like it was for me) then you'd be an idiot to spend money on such minimal significance. How much calcium is in my skull is none of your damn business.

Price difference is now down to 75 to 80 dollars as opposed to 100. This will only grow smaller in the coming weeks/ months. Time is running out for your X800XL. The GT is creeping in on it. The money you save now we be money you need to spend sooner than you think when more pure SM3.0 titles come out.

 

Ackmed

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Rollo, care to explain to me now a 6800U 512meg is faster than a X850XT/PE 256meg, or even a 6800U 256meg? I presume you have benches to back this up?

The fact of the matter is, less than 1% of games support PS3.0. Its up the the buyer if its worth it to them. If it is, great, if its not, thats great too. One card, or one way to play a game is not for everyone.

I had a 6800Gt for about 6 months, how many times did I actually get to use PS3.0, or SM3.0? Just once. With Farcry. I didnt enjoy HDR in Farcry, because it killed my frames, doesnt support AA (not as much as a factor now that Im in a much higher res) and often times looked too fake. Lots of people who have a 6600/6800 dont even use HDR in Farcry. Im not sure I would consider a game thats close to a year old, "todays games", but whatever.
 

Keysplayr

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Originally posted by: Ackmed
Rollo, care to explain to me now a 6800U 512meg is faster than a X850XT/PE 256meg, or even a 6800U 256meg? I presume you have benches to back this up?

Ah, Ackmed, Ackmed. It would be nice to hear from you occasionally if you reinforced something. We only seem to hear from you when you disagree. Shame, you seem to have a good head on your shoulders. You could contribute so much more. Ah, well, maybe in your next life. Because your going to have to do this one over again...

 

BenSkywalker

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Rollo, care to explain to me now a 6800U 512meg is faster than a X850XT/PE 256meg

Reading comprehension needs to be bumped to one of our top national priorities-

2- 512MB 6800 Ultras
2- 256MB 6800 Ultras
2- 256MB 6800 GTs
1- X850XTPE

The X850XTPE is fourth is what Rollo was saying- actually he quite clearly stated just that.

Yes, but it is still the fastest single video card available, isn't it?

By putting single in there you are adding a disclaimer. The fastest car is the Chevy Cobalt SS is factually wrong(missing my disclaimers). The fastest 4 cylinder production car that Chevrolet currently produces is the Cobalt SS is correct.
 

Keysplayr

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Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
Rollo, care to explain to me now a 6800U 512meg is faster than a X850XT/PE 256meg

Reading comprehension needs to be bumped to one of our top national priorities-

2- 512MB 6800 Ultras
2- 256MB 6800 Ultras
2- 256MB 6800 GTs
1- X850XTPE

The X850XTPE is fourth is what Rollo was saying- actually he quite clearly stated just that.

Yes, but it is still the fastest single video card available, isn't it?

By putting single in there you are adding a disclaimer. The fastest car is the Chevy Cobalt SS is factually wrong(missing my disclaimers). The fastest 4 cylinder production car that Chevrolet currently produces is the Cobalt SS is correct.

I got luv for ya Ben.... :D

 

Creig

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Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I'd like to see you actually address a direct question with a direct answer. Please. If you don't want to, I'd sure as hell like to know why..

I only stated that the X850XT PE the fastest single video card currently available. Am I wrong?

Rollo stated "when that card is not the "best" at anything?" when in fact it IS the best card outside of an SLI setup.
 

BenSkywalker

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Creig-

You aren't wrong, you posted it properly(which is why I used it as an example).

Rollo stated "when that card is not the "best" at anything?"

Rollo meant it wasn't the fastest solution available nor was it the most feature rich- both of which are true.
 
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Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: doublejbass
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: doublejbass
Originally posted by: XBoxLPU
AOE 3


'Nuff Said

I won't play it.

'nuff said.

(Just get it through your heads that the significance of SM3 is minimal at best.)

How very profound. That's deep man. Even if what you say in parenthesis was true, I would rather have minimal significance than none. Get THAT through your calcium deposited skullcap. :D

Sure, but given the choice between better performance or SM3 at the same price point (or, if the ATI card is less, like it was for me) then you'd be an idiot to spend money on such minimal significance. How much calcium is in my skull is none of your damn business.

Price difference is now down to 75 to 80 dollars as opposed to 100. This will only grow smaller in the coming weeks/ months. Time is running out for your X800XL. The GT is creeping in on it. The money you save now we be money you need to spend sooner than you think when more pure SM3.0 titles come out.


thats a great summation
 

frx218

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OMG don?t you know that SM3.0 Will be used in the future? So now we can justify a video card just because of that..
 

Keysplayr

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Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: doublejbass
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: doublejbass
Originally posted by: XBoxLPU
AOE 3


'Nuff Said

I won't play it.

'nuff said.

(Just get it through your heads that the significance of SM3 is minimal at best.)

How very profound. That's deep man. Even if what you say in parenthesis was true, I would rather have minimal significance than none. Get THAT through your calcium deposited skullcap. :D

Sure, but given the choice between better performance or SM3 at the same price point (or, if the ATI card is less, like it was for me) then you'd be an idiot to spend money on such minimal significance. How much calcium is in my skull is none of your damn business.

Price difference is now down to 75 to 80 dollars as opposed to 100. This will only grow smaller in the coming weeks/ months. Time is running out for your X800XL. The GT is creeping in on it. The money you save now we be money you need to spend sooner than you think when more pure SM3.0 titles come out.


thats a great summation

Cant tell if that was sarcasm or not. But if it was, I meant you would have to spend money again for yet another video card that supports these features soon enough. Hence the money you spent/saved on an XL would be moot.

 
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Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: doublejbass
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: doublejbass
Originally posted by: XBoxLPU
AOE 3


'Nuff Said

I won't play it.

'nuff said.

(Just get it through your heads that the significance of SM3 is minimal at best.)

How very profound. That's deep man. Even if what you say in parenthesis was true, I would rather have minimal significance than none. Get THAT through your calcium deposited skullcap. :D

Sure, but given the choice between better performance or SM3 at the same price point (or, if the ATI card is less, like it was for me) then you'd be an idiot to spend money on such minimal significance. How much calcium is in my skull is none of your damn business.

Price difference is now down to 75 to 80 dollars as opposed to 100. This will only grow smaller in the coming weeks/ months. Time is running out for your X800XL. The GT is creeping in on it. The money you save now we be money you need to spend sooner than you think when more pure SM3.0 titles come out.


thats a great summation

Cant tell if that was sarcasm or not. But if it was, I meant you would have to spend money again for yet another video card that supports these features soon enough. Hence the money you spent/saved on an XL would be moot.


no sorry no sarcasm, that was actually a good summation of the current situation. when sm3 games get more common, the ATI guys are gonna have to whip out the wallets much sooner than the guys with 6800's
 

Ackmed

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Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
Rollo, care to explain to me now a 6800U 512meg is faster than a X850XT/PE 256meg

Reading comprehension needs to be bumped to one of our top national priorities-

2- 512MB 6800 Ultras
2- 256MB 6800 Ultras
2- 256MB 6800 GTs
1- X850XTPE

The X850XTPE is fourth is what Rollo was saying- actually he quite clearly stated just that.

He did not specify SLI, just said, "Edit: Oops. I forgot that 512MB 6800Us are available now, so shift everything down one.
"4th best" is not the "best of everything"."

So perhaps you should take your own advice. As you can se, he did not specify SLI. In fact, SLI is no where in his edit with the 512 6800U comment.

 

Drayvn

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Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: Drayvn
I at the moment have an X850XT-PE but thats because it gives me the best performance, and i also get the best and newest thing. And it was considerably cheaper than the competition. I have money to buy the best of everything, but i still dont look away when i see a good deal. And anyway ill be upgrading in the next few months, so im not bothered if i cant see any SM3 stuff for a few months as the games which have them will probably still be installed on my computer so when i get the new Card ill be able to see them anyway.

Interesting you bought a X850XTPE card when you say you "have money to buy the best of everything", when that card is not the "best" at anything? 6800U SLI is far better?

I Suppose you didnt read the part where i got it for a great deal. And saying since i can afford the best of everything i still went for the great deal as i dont wanna have to waste my money. Since i got it about 2 months ago, and ill probably be getting the R520 or G70 in another 2 months.

I got it for like $250 i think in US (im form the UK by the way) Why would i pass that up to get a 6800U for $500-600 or 2 when i can pay for a card thats the price of an X800XL or 6600GT that will only be lasting 4 months?