Why get the 7800GT for $400

[vision33r]

The question should be "Why get X850XTPE when 7800GT cost about the same..."

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: xTYBALTx
But what's your point, Kevin?

Well obviously those benchmarks are CPU limited on most of them. Shoot for that matter thow in Quake II. Ill bet the Geforce 2 is just as fast as the 7800GTX also.

Im not going to type out my point as it would take 5 minutes to type up an adequate response to all this nonsense you have typed. Look at the other million benchmarks, look at the other million threads for the answer.

Im through with this thread. You are simply trying to cause problems as has been stated many times by other people in this thread.

-Kevin

 

[Matt2]

IT was hurting my eyes to read this thread so I'll just say this:

An X850XT is not a smart buy for $400+ at this point in the game.

EDIT: Censored

 

[xTYBALTx]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: xTYBALTx
But what's your point, Kevin?

Well obviously those benchmarks are CPU limited on most of them. Shoot for that matter thow in Quake II. Ill bet the Geforce 2 is just as fast as the 7800GTX also.

Im not going to type out my point as it would take 5 minutes to type up an adequate response to all this nonsense you have typed. Look at the other million benchmarks, look at the other million threads for the answer.

Im through with this thread. You are simply trying to cause problems as has been stated many times by other people in this thread.

-Kevin

You have the perfect combination of arrogance and ignorance.

The benchmarks which I posted, which show the X800XL near 6800U in HL2, are the low-res benchmarks. The ones which show the X800XL far out ahead of the 6800U are the high-res, AA+AF benchmarks.

So yes, some were CPU limited. The others, which are not CPU limited, show the X800XL out ahead of the 6800U. If you don't like the benchmarks, open a review site and make your own.

You should be through with this thread - you are obviously incorrect, refuse to look at the objective data, and are hurtling insults in place of using reason! It's as if simple benchmarks, from multiple sources (see: BFG10K's post), were enough to make your whole worldview crumble.

 

[Mardeth]

Ordered a X850XT a week back (damn, where is it!?) for one simple reason, AGP. Will use it until I need a new processor in a year or two...

 

[nwo]

dang, by the time that I found benchmarks and a new dell.com $60 off cupon, the sale on the 7800GT expired

If anyone knows where I can still get a 7800GT for 350 bucks (other than EBAY) please post or pm the site to me.

 

[dguy6789]

So.... In conclusion

7800GTX>7800GT>*

 

[amheck]

Originally posted by: nwo
dang, by the time that I found benchmarks and a new dell.com $60 off cupon, the sale on the 7800GT expired

If anyone knows where I can still get a 7800GT for 350 bucks (other than EBAY) please post or pm the site to me.

I'm sure something will come up again. These things were just released. I'm hoping to get somewhere near that price by the end of the month. That's when I need to return my x800xl (if I decide to replace it).

 

[hans030390]

Originally posted by: xTYBALTx

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: xTYBALTx
But what's your point, Kevin?

Well obviously those benchmarks are CPU limited on most of them. Shoot for that matter thow in Quake II. Ill bet the Geforce 2 is just as fast as the 7800GTX also.

Im not going to type out my point as it would take 5 minutes to type up an adequate response to all this nonsense you have typed. Look at the other million benchmarks, look at the other million threads for the answer.

Im through with this thread. You are simply trying to cause problems as has been stated many times by other people in this thread.

-Kevin

You have the perfect combination of arrogance and ignorance.

The benchmarks which I posted, which show the X800XL near 6800U in HL2, are the low-res benchmarks. The ones which show the X800XL far out ahead of the 6800U are the high-res, AA+AF benchmarks.

So yes, some were CPU limited. The others, which are not CPU limited, show the X800XL out ahead of the 6800U. If you don't like the benchmarks, open a review site and make your own.

You should be through with this thread - you are obviously incorrect, refuse to look at the objective data, and are hurtling insults in place of using reason! It's as if simple benchmarks, from multiple sources (see: BFG10K's post), were enough to make your whole worldview crumble.

Usually the x800xl doesnt beat a 6800ultra...and that is HL2...so i'm not sure what you're getting at.

 

[xTYBALTx]

Originally posted by: hans030390

Originally posted by: xTYBALTx

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: xTYBALTx
But what's your point, Kevin?

Well obviously those benchmarks are CPU limited on most of them. Shoot for that matter thow in Quake II. Ill bet the Geforce 2 is just as fast as the 7800GTX also.

Im not going to type out my point as it would take 5 minutes to type up an adequate response to all this nonsense you have typed. Look at the other million benchmarks, look at the other million threads for the answer.

Im through with this thread. You are simply trying to cause problems as has been stated many times by other people in this thread.

-Kevin

You have the perfect combination of arrogance and ignorance.

The benchmarks which I posted, which show the X800XL near 6800U in HL2, are the low-res benchmarks. The ones which show the X800XL far out ahead of the 6800U are the high-res, AA+AF benchmarks.

So yes, some were CPU limited. The others, which are not CPU limited, show the X800XL out ahead of the 6800U. If you don't like the benchmarks, open a review site and make your own.

You should be through with this thread - you are obviously incorrect, refuse to look at the objective data, and are hurtling insults in place of using reason! It's as if simple benchmarks, from multiple sources (see: BFG10K's post), were enough to make your whole worldview crumble.

Usually the x800xl doesnt beat a 6800ultra...and that is HL2...so i'm not sure what you're getting at.

Prove it.

 

[dguy6789]

Originally posted by: xTYBALTx

Originally posted by: hans030390

Originally posted by: xTYBALTx

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: xTYBALTx
But what's your point, Kevin?

Well obviously those benchmarks are CPU limited on most of them. Shoot for that matter thow in Quake II. Ill bet the Geforce 2 is just as fast as the 7800GTX also.

Im not going to type out my point as it would take 5 minutes to type up an adequate response to all this nonsense you have typed. Look at the other million benchmarks, look at the other million threads for the answer.

Im through with this thread. You are simply trying to cause problems as has been stated many times by other people in this thread.

-Kevin

You have the perfect combination of arrogance and ignorance.

The benchmarks which I posted, which show the X800XL near 6800U in HL2, are the low-res benchmarks. The ones which show the X800XL far out ahead of the 6800U are the high-res, AA+AF benchmarks.

So yes, some were CPU limited. The others, which are not CPU limited, show the X800XL out ahead of the 6800U. If you don't like the benchmarks, open a review site and make your own.

You should be through with this thread - you are obviously incorrect, refuse to look at the objective data, and are hurtling insults in place of using reason! It's as if simple benchmarks, from multiple sources (see: BFG10K's post), were enough to make your whole worldview crumble.

Usually the x800xl doesnt beat a 6800ultra...and that is HL2...so i'm not sure what you're getting at.

Prove it.

On Half Life 2,

X800XL: 96.3
6800U: 95.9

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2299&p=4

Doom 3

X800XL: 50.2
6800U: 71.7

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2299&p=5

FarCry

X800XL: 54.1
6800U: 66.1

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2299&p=6

UT2004

X800XL: 68.2
6800U: 71

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2299&p=6

Halo

X800XL: 51.7
6800U: 62.8

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2299&p=7

BF Vietnam

X800XL: 114
6800U: 123

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2299&p=7

Wolfenstein ET

X800XL: 96.8
6800U: 106.2

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2299&p=7


As you can see, the ONLY time the X800XL "beat" the 6800U(which was by less than one frame) was in Half Life 2. ALL other games, the X800XL lost.


Proven.

 

[Icopoli]

You know, as much of an ATI fanboy I am, it would be fu<king stupid to spend 400$ USD on a XTPE right now when you could get a 7800GT that has more pipes, can probably OC better, and has newer tech sitting on it. Personally I'm waiting for the R600 generation, I'm happy with my HiS x800 right now, and I'm not doing ultra heavy gaming at the moment so it's all good.

 

[xTYBALTx]

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: xTYBALTx

Originally posted by: hans030390

Originally posted by: xTYBALTx

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: xTYBALTx
But what's your point, Kevin?

Well obviously those benchmarks are CPU limited on most of them. Shoot for that matter thow in Quake II. Ill bet the Geforce 2 is just as fast as the 7800GTX also.

Im not going to type out my point as it would take 5 minutes to type up an adequate response to all this nonsense you have typed. Look at the other million benchmarks, look at the other million threads for the answer.

Im through with this thread. You are simply trying to cause problems as has been stated many times by other people in this thread.

-Kevin

You have the perfect combination of arrogance and ignorance.

The benchmarks which I posted, which show the X800XL near 6800U in HL2, are the low-res benchmarks. The ones which show the X800XL far out ahead of the 6800U are the high-res, AA+AF benchmarks.

So yes, some were CPU limited. The others, which are not CPU limited, show the X800XL out ahead of the 6800U. If you don't like the benchmarks, open a review site and make your own.

You should be through with this thread - you are obviously incorrect, refuse to look at the objective data, and are hurtling insults in place of using reason! It's as if simple benchmarks, from multiple sources (see: BFG10K's post), were enough to make your whole worldview crumble.

Usually the x800xl doesnt beat a 6800ultra...and that is HL2...so i'm not sure what you're getting at.

Prove it.

On Half Life 2,

X800XL: 96.3
6800U: 95.9

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2299&p=4

Doom 3

X800XL: 50.2
6800U: 71.7

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2299&p=5

FarCry

X800XL: 54.1
6800U: 66.1

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2299&p=6

UT2004

X800XL: 68.2
6800U: 71

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2299&p=6

Halo

X800XL: 51.7
6800U: 62.8

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2299&p=7

BF Vietnam

X800XL: 114
6800U: 123

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2299&p=7

Wolfenstein ET

X800XL: 96.8
6800U: 106.2

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2299&p=7


As you can see, the ONLY time the X800XL "beat" the 6800U(which was by less than one frame) was in Half Life 2. ALL other games, the X800XL lost.


Proven.

RTFT.

We were only talking about "specific instances," "certain instances," "and sometimes." We were also only talking about HL2, and sometimes UT2004.

Get a clue.

 

[dguy6789]

He said "Usually the x800xl doesnt beat a 6800ultra...and that is HL2...so i'm not sure what you're getting at." You said "Prove it"


I proved what he said.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Sweet God this is ridiculous. FINE:

X850XTPE performs at or near 7800GTX in some instances. text

Looks kind of CPU limited to me if all the cards are almost at the same framerate. But, you do know, that HL2 is an exclusive ATI game. It is like the counter-Doom III. Highly optimized for ATI, but you obviously dont recognize that in any of your comments.

Even when it's not neck-and-neck with 7800GTX, X850XTPE still places solidly between 6800Ultra & 7800GTX. text

Ooh. 3dMark. Because that is something i "play" everyday. Just to humor you though, the X850XTPE is a half a generation ahead of the 6800U. 3dMark is horrible for gauging performance these days. IIRC the FX series outperformed the R3xx in 3dMark, but the R3xx seriously outperformed the FX's.

And why hasn't the X850XTPE/X800XTPE been the choice for high-end gamers, over the 6800Ultra for the past six months before 7800GTX? Is it just because of SLI? Giving the benchmarks a good look, it simply looks obvious that the ATI cards smash nVidia's offerings - look at this benchie for 3dMark05 @ 1600x1200 4xaa 8xaf. The X800XL performs better than the 6800Ultra for heaven's sakes! Of course, all of this is reversed for OpenGL, but IMO OpenGL doesn't have the hot games right now.

Ok, another 3dMark. Horrible way to compare the cards; see my example from above.

UT2004: X850XT > 6800UT

Ok, EXTREMELY CPU limited. Not only that, i would hardly call 109 vs 116 being greater than. Especially since it is CPU limited.

Your argument has no basis. In fact, having just completed AP English Last year i can say you have a HUGE logic fallacy. The "Straw Man" fallacy in which you pick on the weakest points, or the points without any basis, and attempt to draw a conclusion from them.

Happy now? I just proved that your arguments are ALL soundly wrong.

It would seem that you are the one who is ignorant here... im very sure that 99% of the people in this thread will agree.

-Kevin

 

[xTYBALTx]

Where have you been this whole thread?

AFAIK, we've had three discussions here:

1. Why get the 7800GT over X850XTPE?
-This was resolved soundly in favor of the 7800GT - and even more resoundly after the 7800GT was actually released and outperformed what many expected.

2. Why has the 6xxx, specifically 6800GT & Ultra flagships, been at the forefront of our recommendations, when it's clear that ATI's flagships were better performers?
-Also resolved: the PE stood for "Phantom Edition," prices were rediculous, SM3 was a bit of a help, and SLi was probably a major factor for top-end buyers as well.

3. The X800XL outperforms the 6800U in some instances.
-A side topic, raised by BFG10K and perhaps mentioned earlier by myself and others as an aside. It's true on its face, but you chose to disagree with it, launching us into pointless bickering.

Please note that I was never actually saying you should buy the X850XTPE over the 7800GT, just asking "why would you"? I was never saying the X850XTPE should have been purchased over the 6800U, simply that it seemed, from lots of data, to be a better performer and it was puzzling why it wasn't more popular. Of course, there's no puzzle anymore, as members far more constructive than thou have answered the question, closed the topic.


Edit: Spelling.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Well i am sorry. However, you might want to rename the article as it is flamebait. ANd your first couple of posts came across as just another fanboy trying to start problem. While that might not have been your intentions, they did.

-Kevin

 

[xTYBALTx]

I should have edited the OP with updates as the thread went on as well. I think that would have really helped.

 

[Hacp]

Well not to add any flame bait into this but the 6800GT outperforms the x850XTPE in some instances.

 

[UltraWide]

To answer the original question:

Because the 7800GT is a newer product with many more features and it's faster at everything, and will keep getting faster as newer drivers are released.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Hacp
Well not to add any flame bait into this but the 6800GT outperforms the x850XTPE in some instances.

The 6600GT SLI outperforms the X850XTPE in some instances too.

Arguments like the original "Well look at HL2 at setting X" that you were responding to are total BS. You don't buy a card for HL2 or Doom3. You need the big picture and most of us are smart enough to see nothing compares to a 7800GT at it's price point.

 

[shiznit]

mabybe becase the 7800gt > x850xt? 16 pipes vs 20? shader 3.0 vs 2.0? need more reasons?

 

[bonhimself]

ok i just read the 1st post and would go with the 7800 gt cuz it IS better, u just linked us the charts leaning towards ati, and even then, i wouldnt trust toms

 

[Rudee]

Originally posted by: Waylay00
QFT

Your suppose to actually include the quote to say that, you putz.