Why fight America's war?

[The Green Bean]

Well, as it has happened, america has gotten itself strangles in IRAQ. No way out for them it seems.

Well, why is it calling muslim coutries to help. Like Pakistan for example? As if they ever listened to anyone before they invaded in the first place. No U.N backing. Wanted to go alone. Then be there alone. Let them die alone. No ones gonna help them. Like USA ever helped anyone in need. If the USA is done, so is its friendships. So if the USA needs other countries, why should It expect help?

And now America has its eyes towards Iran. Does it want to englulf the whole of the muslim world or what. France, Germany and Russia have already realized the situation. So has China. Only little poodle Blair is blind. Imperialism is back I say.

President Allawi in Iraq is a total puupet. Judging from his comments "Militants should leave Najaf" Why should they? First the USA bombard the shrine of Imam Ali, and tell the people there to leave? WTF? If Allawi doesnt want bloodshed he should demand the americans to leave or if not both. He knows the militants will not back out. To prevent fighting in the holy city, americans should get the hell out of there. Why be there? Its not that they are goning to create more security. Just power hungry.

And back at home, we are bearing the brunt of America's wars. All roads leading to the US consulate are closed. Takes 15 more mins to cross the major part of the city. Why should we have to suffer because of the stupidity of USA's actions.

"Nuff said
Bean

 

[FuzzyBee]

I agree.

In fact, I'll take it a step further - why shouldn't we just leave? Just pack up and go - and let the slaughtering begin.

Like USA ever helped anyone in need.

Perhaps a history lesson should be in order, but I have neither the time nor the inclination to deliver it right now.

France, Germany and Russia have already realized the situation.

France, at least, realized that their under-the-table deals with Hussein would be gone if he were no longer in power.

 

[Todd33]

I won't comment much on the first part, the Coulter types will go to town with that.

Allawi is an a$$hat. Tough words for a guy that will have Americans fight for him. If it were him and his ragtag army, then fine, but it's not. If he wants to pretend to call the shots, then pull our guys out and see how long Mr. tuff-talker will last. He' die in a car bomb within a week.

France, at least, realized that their under-the-table deals with Hussein would be gone if he were no longer in power.

Like Cheney and Halliburtons under the table deals with Iraq? Those that live in glass houses...

 

[kaizersose]

Originally posted by: hatim
Well, as it has happened, america has gotten itself strangles in IRAQ. No way out for them it seems.

Well, why is it calling muslim coutries to help. Like Pakistan for example? As if they ever listened to anyone before they invaded in the first place. No U.N backing. Wanted to go alone. Then be there alone. Let them die alone. No ones gonna help them. Like USA ever helped anyone in need. If the USA is done, so is its friendships. So if the USA needs other countries, why should It expect help?

And now America has its eyes towards Iran. Does it want to englulf the whole of the muslim world or what. France, Germany and Russia have already realized the situation. So has China. Only little poodle Blair is blind. Imperialism is back I say.

President Allawi in Iraq is a total puupet. Judging from his comments "Militants should leave Najaf" Why should they? First the USA bombard the shrine of Imam Ali, and tell the people there to leave? WTF? If Allawi doesnt want bloodshed he should demand the americans to leave or if not both. He knows the militants will not back out. To prevent fighting in the holy city, americans should get the hell out of there. Why be there? Its not that they are goning to create more security. Just power hungry.

And back at home, we are bearing the brunt of America's wars. All roads leading to the US consulate are closed. Takes 15 more mins to cross the major part of the city. Why should we have to suffer because of the stupidity of USA's actions.

"Nuff said
hatim

a lot to respond to here but....

"Like USA ever helped anyone in need"
We help people in need all of the time. Who was the first one to offer assistance when an entire town was leveled by an earthquake in iran? who provides more support for AIDS research than the entire rest of the world combined? who is always on hand to deliver supplies when there is a humanitarian disaster. just because you dont like one aspect of our foreign policy, dont classify the US as the world's source of evil.

"First the USA bombard the shrine of Imam Ali"
dont even get started with this. the terrorists stage operations from the mosques all the time because they know the second they get attacked they can scream holy war. they fire mortars from the cemetary and take potshots all the time. they ar fighting a war of public opinion and trying to incite a holy war by using an ancient holy shrine as a hostage.

 

[kaizersose]

Originally posted by: Todd33
I won't comment much on the first part, the Coulter types will go to town with that.

Allawi is an a$$hat. Tough words for a guy that will have Americans fight for him. If it were him and his ragtag army, then fine, but it's not. If he wants to pretend to call the shots, then pull our guys out and see how long Mr. tuff-talker will last. He' die in a car bomb within a week.

it's not 'coulter types" it's reasonable types, this guy is way off base. thanks for classifying everyone who disagrees as a crazy extremist, always a good way to help keep a debate from going anywhere productive.

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: hatim
Well, as it has happened, america has gotten itself strangles in IRAQ. No way out for them it seems.

Well, why is it calling muslim coutries to help. Like Pakistan for example? As if they ever listened to anyone before they invaded in the first place. No U.N backing. Wanted to go alone. Then be there alone. Let them die alone. No ones gonna help them. Like USA ever helped anyone in need. If the USA is done, so is its friendships. So if the USA needs other countries, why should It expect help?

And now America has its eyes towards Iran. Does it want to englulf the whole of the muslim world or what. France, Germany and Russia have already realized the situation. So has China. Only little poodle Blair is blind. Imperialism is back I say.

President Allawi in Iraq is a total puupet. Judging from his comments "Militants should leave Najaf" Why should they? First the USA bombard the shrine of Imam Ali, and tell the people there to leave? WTF? If Allawi doesnt want bloodshed he should demand the americans to leave or if not both. He knows the militants will not back out. To prevent fighting in the holy city, americans should get the hell out of there. Why be there? Its not that they are goning to create more security. Just power hungry.

And back at home, we are bearing the brunt of America's wars. All roads leading to the US consulate are closed. Takes 15 more mins to cross the major part of the city. Why should we have to suffer because of the stupidity of USA's actions.

"Nuff said
hatim

Some of your comments are completely unfair.

Like USA ever helped anyone in need.

WW1, WW2, Korea? If it weren't for the U.S., South Korea would be ocntrolled by that nut job that controls and oppresses the poeple of North Korea. If not for the U.S., France and almost every other European countyr would be under the control of the Nazi's. And just about every Jew in Europe would be dead.

I agree that our decision to go to war in IRAQ was a poor one, but some of your statements are wrong. If you want to educate poeple on your cause then make sure to be fair in your criticism.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Well we aren't having any luck getting a cookie 'emoticon'. Maybe if we change tactics and try for a fishing rod.

 

[Arsynic]

And now America has its eyes towards Iran. Does it want to englulf the whole of the muslim world or what. France, Germany and Russia have already realized the situation.

France, Germany and Russia are the most corrupt f*cking countries in Europe. Of course they wouldn't favor going to war against a country where they had financial assets. Russia's broke ass would give blowjobs for a million bucks. Soon we will find out that France, Germany and Russia have had their hands in Saddam's pocket. Sh*t, I'd rather see Saddam get off easy by giving us the "reciepts" so that we can expose those sons of b*tches.

 

[Todd33]

it's not 'coulter types" it's reasonable types, this guy is way off base.

I'd say a majority of the world thinks this way. If anything, we in America, insulated with crappy media like Fox news are the ones 'off base'. We get so wrapped in the flag screaming about 9/11 all the time that we forget or don't care how everyone else sees us. Like what's here name said "We are a good country when we do good things", which lately has not been much.

 

[The Green Bean]

Im talking about the recent past. Last 15 years. After America became the lone super power. Has it helped anyone without any benifits to themselves.

Look at the African countries. North Korea suffering because of rougue regimes. Sudan etc. Bush is after the ME. Why? OIL!

 

[Arsynic]

Yah, you would rather give your oil to France, Corrupssia and Germany...for food of course.

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: hatim
Im talking about the recent past. Last 15 years. After America became the lone super power. Has it helped anyone without any benifits to themselves.

Look at the African countries. North Korea suffering because of rougue regimes. Sudan etc. Bush is after the ME. Why? OIL!

How was our intervention in Somalia beneficial to ourselves? When the Croations and Serbs were killing each other off, how was our intervention beneficial to us? Yes, we've made some bad choices, but you're still making a broad sweeping statement that the US is always doing things for its own interest that isn't true. People are using your same tactic of bling broad sweeping generalizations to justify this occupation in the middle east. Don't lower your self to thier stupidity. If you believe you have right on your side then just tell the facts and that's all you'll need.

 

[kaizersose]

Originally posted by: Todd33
... If anything, we in America, insulated with crappy media like Fox news are the ones 'off base'. We get so wrapped in ...

you said it, but it works both ways. you choose to read all of the critical things about the iraqi conflict but we do much more than fight wars. if you cant see that we help the world in many ways, you are insulating yourself. take a step back and be reasonable about it.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: hatim
Im talking about the recent past. Last 15 years. After America became the lone super power. Has it helped anyone without any benifits to themselves.

Look at the African countries. North Korea suffering because of rougue regimes. Sudan etc. Bush is after the ME. Why? OIL!

If you ask me the European nations need to setp up to the freaking plate in Africa, after all their colonial rule is mainly responsible for the disaster zone that is Africa.

 

[The Green Bean]

just tell me: Why did the USA invade IRAQ without UN backing and no WMD's were found. Where as NK clearly says it has Nuclear capabilities and might use them?

For the current occupation: there is no justification.
And by interfering in the balkans, they increased their influence on the small, weak europeans countries. (now pretty well-off)

Yes, we've made some bad choices

Good to knoiw someone agrees

 

[The Green Bean]

and I do accept that some decisions USA has taken have been wise, welll the majority of others are nonsens

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: hatim
Im talking about the recent past. Last 15 years. After America became the lone super power. Has it helped anyone without any benifits to themselves.

Look at the African countries. North Korea suffering because of rougue regimes. Sudan etc. Bush is after the ME. Why? OIL!

If you ask me the European nations need to setp up to the freaking plate in Africa, after all their colonial rule is mainly responsible for the disaster zone that is Africa.

So then if the USA is so liberating why doesnt it help the coutries which need "real" help first, rather than wasting its resources on other's oil?

 

[K1052]

Over the course of time any nation (government) will make mistakes. No country is exempt from this.

I just hope we make more right choices than wrong ones on average.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: hatim

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: hatim
Im talking about the recent past. Last 15 years. After America became the lone super power. Has it helped anyone without any benifits to themselves.

Look at the African countries. North Korea suffering because of rougue regimes. Sudan etc. Bush is after the ME. Why? OIL!

If you ask me the European nations need to setp up to the freaking plate in Africa, after all their colonial rule is mainly responsible for the disaster zone that is Africa.

So then if the USA is so liberating why doesnt it help the coutries which need "real" help first, rather than wasting its resources on other's oil?

Give me a list of the countries you are speaking of.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: K1052
Give me a list of the countries you are speaking of.

Canada. I understand Canada is badly in need of liberation from the Queen

 

[burnedout]

"First the USA bombard the shrine of Imam Ali"
dont even get started with this. the terrorists stage operations from the mosques all the time because they know the second they get attacked they can scream holy war. they fire mortars from the cemetary and take potshots all the time. they ar fighting a war of public opinion and trying to incite a holy war by using an ancient holy shrine as a hostage.

The governor of Najaf also cleared the way for operations around Imam Ali.

I'd say a majority of the world thinks this way. If anything, we in America, insulated with crappy media like Fox news are the ones 'off base'.

Oh, really? Since when is rest of the major media in this country "like Fox news"?

Im talking about the recent past. Last 15 years. After America became the lone super power. Has it helped anyone without any benifits to themselves.

Bosnia.... Kosovo..... Somalia....

 

[Todd33]

Oh, really? Since when is rest of the major media in this country "like Fox news"?

Well ya, while Fox is the worst, all mainstream media source are pro-American, pro-war. Very few people get news from NPR or BBC. All the major cable networks are about making money and contain far too much entertainment and less news.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: burnedout

"First the USA bombard the shrine of Imam Ali"
dont even get started with this. the terrorists stage operations from the mosques all the time because they know the second they get attacked they can scream holy war. they fire mortars from the cemetary and take potshots all the time. they ar fighting a war of public opinion and trying to incite a holy war by using an ancient holy shrine as a hostage.

The governor of Najaf also cleared the way for operations

So then he is an idiot too

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: K1052
Give me a list of the countries you are speaking of.

Canada. I understand Canada is badly in need of liberation from the Queen

No, we can't do that. The CIA has uncovered evidence that Canada has built the most advanced tank known to mankind. It is reportedly impervious to all current US weaponry and is powered by Labatt Blue.

However, Canada was only able to produce one due to the huge cost and unwillingness to sacrifice beer.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: hatim

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: hatim
Im talking about the recent past. Last 15 years. After America became the lone super power. Has it helped anyone without any benifits to themselves.

Look at the African countries. North Korea suffering because of rougue regimes. Sudan etc. Bush is after the ME. Why? OIL!

If you ask me the European nations need to setp up to the freaking plate in Africa, after all their colonial rule is mainly responsible for the disaster zone that is Africa.

So then if the USA is so liberating why doesnt it help the coutries which need "real" help first, rather than wasting its resources on other's oil?

Give me a list of the countries you are speaking of.

Sundan
North Korea
Uganda
Zimbabwe