Why don't universities want out-of-state students?

[johnjohn320]

Originally posted by: werk

Originally posted by: johnjohn320

Originally posted by: rgwalt
State universities are funded by state tax dollars. Students (families of students) from out of state haven't contributed taxes to fund the university, so they shouldn't reap the benefits, and thus their tuition is higher.

Ryan

Oh, ok, that I get. Still, why would they make it harder? Saying "it was intended to educate people from that state" is no better than saying "this school was meant to educate white people."

Are you dense? What would race have to do with anything? It's simply a matter of if you are a resident of a state, you pay state income tax. Money from this tax is used to fund the public universities in that state. Therefore, those who help pay for the existence of the school get lower tuition and more are accepted to attend.

I understand why they pay less tuition to go (in-state taxes), but what I don't understand is why they would make it HARDER to get into. The university wants more money, right? So, why don't they want students who will pay them three times the money as in-state students?

By the way, please don't call me dense. I don't understand why some people feel the need to resort to belittling or insulting all the time. To quote Carl from the Simpsons: "[kick lenny in shin] OK, that's why I asked. That's how you learn; by asking, ya big dummy."

 

[vi edit]

So, why don't they want students who will pay them three times the money as in-state students?

States are VERY interested in post graduate retention, as was earlier mentioned. If you grow up in Iowa, go to school in Iowa, and take an intership in Iowa, then the state is taking a big gamble that you are going to stay in Iowa. Not quite the same for a student in Chicago who comes over to Iowa for cheap, quality education and then goes back to Chicago after graduation.

When you stay in the state afterwards, you pay into state income tax. You buy goods feeding state sales tax. You buy a house boosting local property taxes.

It largely comes down to retention. That's why they specifically put on applications "residents favored", or something to that degree.

 

[jteef]

I think they are required by state law to accomodate a certain percentage of in-state students so the out of state have to compete for what is left. In other words they don't do it on purpose.

I think this is the case

In Kansas, if you graduate from a kansas high school you are automatically accepted at Kansas Univ and Kansas State I think, and probably other state schools too. So if the school can accomodate 30k students, and 20k are coming from kansas high schools, that leaves only 10k spots left for the out of stater's to compete over. Naturally, the school is going to accept the people that will improve its US News Rankings. i.e. good grades/test scores/diversity/etc.

In georgia, any high schooler with a 3.0 or greater gets the Hope scholarship which gives them free tuition and other stuff if they attend a georgia state school. This means that a lot of in state kids are going to be picking a georgia university which means less spots for out of staters.

I imagine other states are similar.

jt

 

[Spoooon]

Originally posted by: glen

Saying "it was intended to educate people from that state" is no better than saying "this school was meant to educate white people."

It is?
How so?

He's saying that it's uninformative in terms of why the requirements are different. He wants to know why the requirements would be higher, not just the cost.

They make it cost more and harder to get into if you don't live in the state where the university is located.

When I was applying for schools, I never even considered an out of state school because of the higher costs.

 

[dethman]

<------- current out of state student getting RAPED on tuition

 

[pecel]

Any USA or Canada Universities that require Out of state students pay In state tuition?

 

[Scarpozzi]

State Universities are funded mostly by the state. When a student is from out of state, the institution doesn't get as much money for that student. They really jack up the prices a little extra because that's the trend and they can. Even though you'd think Universities would have a lot of money, the truth is that they have corrupt design that causes many departments to become these large wasteful centers that are far from efficient. Then the University wonders where all the money went...and it ends up going to some prof. that needed an $8000 projector and a $5000 laptop to play solitare when he or she isn't in class.

 

[vi edit]

and it ends up going to some prof. that needed an $8000 projector and a $5000 laptop to play solitare when he or she isn't in class.

Or, paying 80 year old professors who teach one class a semester $185,000 a year.

No joke. Dead serious. Professor at University of Iowa is 80 years old, teaches one class a semester and pulls in a little under 200k a year.

Must be nice eh?

 

[Lucky]

I understand why they pay less tuition to go (in-state taxes), but what I don't understand is why they would make it HARDER to get into. The university wants more money, right? So, why don't they want students who will pay them three times the money as in-state students?

Because they want to educate primarily in state students, as is their purpose and school do not have an unlimited number of available "slots".

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: johnjohn320<br
I understand why they pay less tuition to go (in-state taxes), but what I don't understand is why they would make it HARDER to get into. The university wants more money, right? So, why don't they want students who will pay them three times the money as in-state students?

often, the state will pay the university based on in-state students, not total enrollment. depending on the school some out-of-state students get a pretty hefty subsidy from the state for their education.

 

[dafatha00]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

So, why don't they want students who will pay them three times the money as in-state students?

States are VERY interested in post graduate retention, as was earlier mentioned. If you grow up in Iowa, go to school in Iowa, and take an intership in Iowa, then the state is taking a big gamble that you are going to stay in Iowa. Not quite the same for a student in Chicago who comes over to Iowa for cheap, quality education and then goes back to Chicago after graduation.

When you stay in the state afterwards, you pay into state income tax. You buy goods feeding state sales tax. You buy a house boosting local property taxes.

It largely comes down to retention. That's why they specifically put on applications "residents favored", or something to that degree.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

 

[rgwalt]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

and it ends up going to some prof. that needed an $8000 projector and a $5000 laptop to play solitare when he or she isn't in class.

Or, paying 80 year old professors who teach one class a semester $185,000 a year.

No joke. Dead serious. Professor at University of Iowa is 80 years old, teaches one class a semester and pulls in a little under 200k a year.

Must be nice eh?

Well, on the flip side, I'm sure that he gave the university many years of service. Seriously though... some profs take a major hit by going to a university instead of going into industry (read science and engineering).

Ryan