Why don't the brits understand freedom of speech?

Drako

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You think that is weird, they still have a Queen. WTF is up with that?
 

Texashiker

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My opinion - its social conditioning from time of birth. People are taught from when they were kids not to question certain things. When the kids grow up, they never ask "why" they do things certain ways.

Its kinda like the income tax in the USA. Nobody bothers questioning "why" we "have" to pay income tax, or if the system can be changed, the mindless zombies just go about their lives and never ask questions.

There is an old experiment with monkeys, a banana and a water hose, go look it up sometime. After awhile, people stop asking questions and just do as their told.
 

rivan

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Freedom of the press is important, but so is the right to privacy. As an American, I side strongly on the side of freedom of the press, but I think Hugh Grant has a point there - they published his medical records and the guy's talking about the public's right to know, calling it a 'public interest'?

Why the hell would they need that?
 

AstroManLuca

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ShawnD1

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Its kinda like the income tax in the USA. Nobody bothers questioning "why" we "have" to pay income tax, or if the system can be changed, the mindless zombies just go about their lives and never ask questions.
Um because medicare and the army are not free? wtf planet are you from?
 

Bateluer

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Freedom of the press is important, but so is the right to privacy. As an American, I side strongly on the side of freedom of the press, but I think Hugh Grant has a point there - they published his medical records and the guy's talking about the public's right to know, calling it a 'public interest'?

Why the hell would they need that?

Good question, why would the public need medical records of an individual? Public interest my ass. Mind your own damn business.


Freedom From Speech is important too.

I believe thats called censorship. And it is very important, to not have it. You don't like something, don't look/read/watch/buy it. Its not your place to tell me what content I can have and what I can't, based on your morality.
 

0roo0roo

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Freedom of the press is important, but so is the right to privacy. As an American, I side strongly on the side of freedom of the press, but I think Hugh Grant has a point there - they published his medical records and the guy's talking about the public's right to know, calling it a 'public interest'?

Why the hell would they need that?

i forgot to link the second bit where they tried to make it a womens issue. but well if you steal records that is a separate crime from simply reporting on infidelity or other scandal.

it isn't so much the publics right to know, as much as a judge deciding for everyone what we should know for things as trivial as this, we aren't talking state secrets here.
 

HAL9000

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always missing the point aren't u.

super injunctions block all press rights to publish, not just say press for children. and these folks are talking about such measures as if it is even a reasonable option. you'd have a point if the us censored snakes on the plane even on dvd or in the theaters.

So people shouldn't have the right to privacy?
 

0roo0roo

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So people shouldn't have the right to privacy?

not when it involves muzzling the press. you shouldn't be allowed to drill holes into peoples houses to record their conversations but if someone wants to talk to the press thats too bad for you. If you don't want to end up as a story, don't do stupid shit, is it really that hard? The only time it becomes a big story is if it involves hypocrisy, say for example tiger woods squeeky clean image revealed as total sham. a rock star who doesn't hide his womanizing ways on the other hand is not news, because they are not full of shit. judges shouldn't be allowed to muzzle the press to protect your bullshit.
 

HAL9000

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not when it involves muzzling the press. you shouldn't be allowed to drill holes into peoples houses to record their conversations but if someone wants to talk to the press thats too bad for you. If you don't want to end up as a story, don't do stupid shit, is it really that hard? The only time it becomes a big story is if it involves hypocrisy, say for example tiger woods squeeky clean image revealed as total sham. a rock star who doesn't hide his womanizing ways on the other hand is not news, because they are not full of shit. judges shouldn't be allowed to muzzle the press to protect your bullshit.

So you guys are fine with someone broadcasting intimate details about your life, but not with the police filming public places with CCTV cameras?
 

rivan

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i forgot to link the second bit where they tried to make it a womens issue. but well if you steal records that is a separate crime from simply reporting on infidelity or other scandal.

it isn't so much the publics right to know, as much as a judge deciding for everyone what we should know for things as trivial as this, we aren't talking state secrets here.

As trivial as this? I see nothing trivial about personal privacy.

Do you want your medical records on the internet? Your mom's? How about your tax returns? While you might not have anything to hide in them, that's not the point. The point is that it's not anyone else's damned business.
 

0roo0roo

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So you guys are fine with someone broadcasting intimate details about your life, but not with the police filming public places with CCTV cameras?

ugh in the uk the police already film everyone with cctv cameras everywhere.

so much for that freedom.

the only way someone can broadcast your intimate details is if someone else talks or you make it so other people can know your business. by default if it is published you are a public figure and thus in the public eye and should know better. being in the public eye is probably part of your lively hood if anyone bothers to even publish anything on your life. i guess you think the press should only be allowed to release good things about people, essentially just parrot the press releases from publicists:p
 

zinfamous

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Freedom of the press is important, but so is the right to privacy. As an American, I side strongly on the side of freedom of the press, but I think Hugh Grant has a point there - they published his medical records and the guy's talking about the public's right to know, calling it a 'public interest'?

Why the hell would they need that?

I can not disagree with this.

people will argue, though, that as a "celebrity," he is a public figure. but I think that's a load of horseshit, frankly,