why don't diesel manuf' not add these 'chips' from the factory?

[zixxer]

I was watching a show on spike where some diesel got a ~100hp and ~250ft/lb without blowing smoke and being emissions compliant



wtf don't do they do that earlier? We aren't talking about 'just a little power' here either

 

[Shawn]

probably kills the gas mileage

 

[mwmorph]

mileage. CAFE standards rape car companies as it is.

reliability.

 

[Evadman]

mileage, reliability and emissions. A diesel engine with 700 ft/lbs will shread a transmission in short order. Along with that, it will cause accelerated wear of pretty much the entire driveline. However, this wear can be regulated using your right foot. Then, if you keep adding fuel, you will start getting soot out the tailpipe, which is unburned fuel AKA 'bad' emissions.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: mwmorph
mileage. CAFE standards rape car companies as it is.

Not really, they always whine about CAFE, but yet they always manage to make more and more powerful cars that still meet the standards.

 

[Strk]

It has nothing to do with what the diesel manufacturers are doing, but the fuel requirements in the United States. The diesel we use contains large amounts of sulfur, which destroys the emissions equipment required to make them compliant. By the end of the year our diesel fuel will have such a strict requirement on the low sulfur, it will be even lower than Europe's requirements. DaimlerChrysler will launch its Bluetech diesel once that happens, which will produce lower emissions than gasoline powered vehicles. VW is upgraded its diesel from the 1.9 to 2.0l, but from what I've read, we don't get that until 2008 and no diesel for 2007 (I believe we're getting the v10 powered SUV though). Other companies are determing whether or not they should bring their diesel engines over.

Why the U.S. didn't switch to low sulfur diesel sooner, I really don't know.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: mwmorph
mileage. CAFE standards rape car companies as it is.

Not really, they always whine about CAFE, but yet they always manage to make more and more powerful cars that still meet the standards.

for every Mustang 500, ford sells 100 focuses.

 

[LordMorpheus]

Originally posted by: Strk
It has nothing to do with what the diesel manufacturers are doing, but the fuel requirements in the United States. The diesel we use contains large amounts of sulfur, which destroys the emissions equipment required to make them compliant. By the end of the year our diesel fuel will have such a strict requirement on the low sulfur, it will be even lower than Europe's requirements. DaimlerChrysler will launch its Bluetech diesel once that happens, which will produce lower emissions than gasoline powered vehicles. VW is upgraded its diesel from the 1.9 to 2.0l, but from what I've read, we don't get that until 2008 and no diesel for 2007 (I believe we're getting the v10 powered SUV though). Other companies are determing whether or not they should bring their diesel engines over.

Why the U.S. didn't switch to low sulfur diesel sooner, I really don't know.

The Shell refinery that I work at has already made the switch to Ultra Low Sulfer Diesel.

I'm sure it's already available at at least a few Shell stations, but it will definately give diesel a much needed boost here.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: LordMorpheus

Originally posted by: Strk
It has nothing to do with what the diesel manufacturers are doing, but the fuel requirements in the United States. The diesel we use contains large amounts of sulfur, which destroys the emissions equipment required to make them compliant. By the end of the year our diesel fuel will have such a strict requirement on the low sulfur, it will be even lower than Europe's requirements. DaimlerChrysler will launch its Bluetech diesel once that happens, which will produce lower emissions than gasoline powered vehicles. VW is upgraded its diesel from the 1.9 to 2.0l, but from what I've read, we don't get that until 2008 and no diesel for 2007 (I believe we're getting the v10 powered SUV though). Other companies are determing whether or not they should bring their diesel engines over.

Why the U.S. didn't switch to low sulfur diesel sooner, I really don't know.

The Shell refinery that I work at has already made the switch to Ultra Low Sulfer Diesel.

I'm sure it's already available at at least a few Shell stations, but it will definately give diesel a much needed boost here.

Yeah, now it's just waiting to get the engines over here. We can't even purchase new diesel cars in five states 🙁

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: mwmorph
mileage. CAFE standards rape car companies as it is.

Not really, they always whine about CAFE, but yet they always manage to make more and more powerful cars that still meet the standards.

for every Mustang 500, ford sells 100 focuses.

I wasn't talking about different models. I was talking about that fact that the new Civic has 140hp and still gets 40MPG on the freeway, the 'vette gets almost 30MPG on the freeway with a 500hp engine, and so on. If fuel standards were really that stringent, very few economy cars would be over 100hp (after all, no one really needs more than that for an economy car), and we'd be seeing a lot fewer high-horsepower cars...back to a <200hp 'vette, anyone?

Clearly auto manufacturers are having an easy time meeting CAFE, otherwise they couldn't continue to improve safety AND mileage AND power figures simultaneously.

 

[m2kewl]

Originally posted by: Strk
It has nothing to do with what the diesel manufacturers are doing, but the fuel requirements in the United States. The diesel we use contains large amounts of sulfur, which destroys the emissions equipment required to make them compliant. By the end of the year our diesel fuel will have such a strict requirement on the low sulfur, it will be even lower than Europe's requirements. DaimlerChrysler will launch its Bluetech diesel once that happens, which will produce lower emissions than gasoline powered vehicles. VW is upgraded its diesel from the 1.9 to 2.0l, but from what I've read, we don't get that until 2008 and no diesel for 2007 (I believe we're getting the v10 powered SUV though). Other companies are determing whether or not they should bring their diesel engines over.

Why the U.S. didn't switch to low sulfur diesel sooner, I really don't know.

you can thank Cali for their strict laws. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

without them this country'd still be using sh|tty fuel :frown:

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Strk
It has nothing to do with what the diesel manufacturers are doing, but the fuel requirements in the United States. The diesel we use contains large amounts of sulfur, which destroys the emissions equipment required to make them compliant. By the end of the year our diesel fuel will have such a strict requirement on the low sulfur, it will be even lower than Europe's requirements. DaimlerChrysler will launch its Bluetech diesel once that happens, which will produce lower emissions than gasoline powered vehicles. VW is upgraded its diesel from the 1.9 to 2.0l, but from what I've read, we don't get that until 2008 and no diesel for 2007 (I believe we're getting the v10 powered SUV though). Other companies are determing whether or not they should bring their diesel engines over.

Why the U.S. didn't switch to low sulfur diesel sooner, I really don't know.

i think our emissions standards were stricter to begin with to boot.

 

[Soccerman06]

Besides the emissions, it ruins the cylinder rings and drivetrain. You almost have to upgrade your torque converter and differential cause all that torque tears them up. The clutch and and tranny get torn up if you arent careful with the shifting. A friend of mine put a whole banks system in his Chevy 2500 HD and within 2 weeks, the clutch was almost literally a flat plate when he took it into a repair shop.