Why doesn't Obama wait 8 years?

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: piasabird
You dont throw the baby out with the bathwater because you dont like the soap. Some things about America are worth saving and worth fighting for.

So you throw the baby out because you do like the soap, or do you throw it out for some other reason? I'm confused.

 

[Vic]

Why should he wait? More desperation from the Hillary crowd here. The whole "experience" argument is nothing but spin. BTW, Bill Clinton was the same age in '92 as Barry Obama is now (46).

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The answer, I believe, is really rather simple and what Obama has said, that there is an urgency of change, right now. We don't need 16 years of Democrats. We need a new political tone and direction, a movement to end partisan bitterness and bickering in favor of what is best for the whole nation. We need somebody who has respect for and will listen to the other side. Liberals what to change what is bad and conservatives want to preserve what is good. If you start there, lots can be done. Everything is in the case you can make for your position, what truly should not be lost and what should surely change as the greatest good for the people. It is special interests that profit when the people are divided, their interests that get promoted. The partisan hate is their smoke screen.

This one of the most intelligent posts I've seen here in months, maybe years.

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
LOL @ political experience.

That translates to "Experience accepting bribes from lobbyists and getting contempt with your power and chronies"

not just political experience, but experience running ANYTHING. a company, the olympics, a state...

 

[nageov3t]

politicians are all essentially egomaniacs.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The answer, I believe, is really rather simple and what Obama has said, that there is an urgency of change, right now. We don't need 16 years of Democrats. We need a new political tone and direction, a movement to end partisan bitterness and bickering in favor of what is best for the whole nation. We need somebody who has respect for and will listen to the other side. Liberals what to change what is bad and conservatives want to preserve what is good. If you start there, lots can be done. Everything is in the case you can make for your position, what truly should not be lost and what should surely change as the greatest good for the people. It is special interests that profit when the people are divided, their interests that get promoted. The partisan hate is their smoke screen.

Originally posted by: orton
Because in 8 years people will be screaming for a change in the other direction. If he is going to win now is his shot.

Exactly.

Timing is everything, and he has the "timely" message etc. Notice how everybody else (both Dems & Repubs) have adopted his messgae of change?

Presidential election cycles seem to run 8 years for one party, then 8 for the other. Even if after 8 years of this Dem Presidency, the Repubs get only one term, he likely waits at least 12 years. He'd be about 68 yrs old.

Nah, he's gotta run now.

Fern

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The answer, I believe, is really rather simple and what Obama has said, that there is an urgency of change, right now. We don't need 16 years of Democrats. We need a new political tone and direction, a movement to end partisan bitterness and bickering in favor of what is best for the whole nation. We need somebody who has respect for and will listen to the other side. Liberals what to change what is bad and conservatives want to preserve what is good. If you start there, lots can be done. Everything is in the case you can make for your position, what truly should not be lost and what should surely change as the greatest good for the people. It is special interests that profit when the people are divided, their interests that get promoted. The partisan hate is their smoke screen.

:thumbsup:

Originally posted by: Barack Obama at the 2004 DNC Convention
The pundits, the pundits like to slice-and-dice our country into Red States and Blue States; Red States for Republicans, Blue States for Democrats. But I've got news for them, too. We worship an awesome God in the Blue States, and we don't like federal agents poking around in our libraries in the Red States. We coach Little League in the Blue States and yes, we've got some gay friends in the Red States. There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq and there are patriots who supported the war in Iraq.

We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes, all of us defending the United States of America. In the end, that's what this election is about. Do we participate in a politics of cynicism or do we participate in a politics of hope?

 

[1EZduzit]

Talking about change and actually being able to effect change are two different animals. I think that's one of the main reasons you see the disillusioned righties supporting Obama. They know he is farther left then Hillary, if fact I beleive they are banking on that fact and are hoping he will bite off more then he can chew and not get much of anything changed. That will give them the time and the opportunity t get their house in order for 2012.

I don't want to just vote for change, I WANT change and I think Hillary has the best hand to actually effect that change.

 

[Nitemare]

why turn over the nomination to the Hildabeast...doing say assures a republican president in 2008.

The only people that want Hillary are angry white females....and the mentally inept

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
The only people that want Hillary is angry white females....

i was watching the local news last night and they showed a hitlary campaign center with a bunch of volunteers making phone calls , all the volunteers were old white ladies, kind of "butch" looking to me, but i dunno, whatever

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Talking about change and actually being able to effect change are two different animals. I think that's one of the main reasons you see the disillusioned righties supporting Obama. They know he is farther left then Hillary, if fact I beleive they are banking on that fact and are hoping he will bite off more then he can chew and not get much of anything changed. That will give them the time and the opportunity t get their house in order for 2012.

I don't want to just vote for change, I WANT change and I think Hillary has the best hand to actually effect that change.

You are certainly entitled to this opinion. I would say, however, that if you are not talking about change, and particularly change in this important issue of the divisiveness that exists to day in our system, you will only really be interested in partisan change, the kind you can force down the other guys throat. There is more than one kind of change and that's why I support Obama. Can he bring that change. I don't know, but it is where he sees the issue and is focused and I agree that's the change we need.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Talking about change and actually being able to effect change are two different animals. I think that's one of the main reasons you see the disillusioned righties supporting Obama. They know he is farther left then Hillary, if fact I beleive they are banking on that fact and are hoping he will bite off more then he can chew and not get much of anything changed. That will give them the time and the opportunity t get their house in order for 2012.

I don't want to just vote for change, I WANT change and I think Hillary has the best hand to actually effect that change.

:roll:

What exactly is Hillary going to change? She's pro-war and pro-corporation. Oh sure, she'd bomb different countries and get bought off by different industries than a Republican, but I'd hardly call that change.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Talking about change and actually being able to effect change are two different animals. I think that's one of the main reasons you see the disillusioned righties supporting Obama. They know he is farther left then Hillary, if fact I beleive they are banking on that fact and are hoping he will bite off more then he can chew and not get much of anything changed. That will give them the time and the opportunity t get their house in order for 2012.

I don't want to just vote for change, I WANT change and I think Hillary has the best hand to actually effect that change.

You are certainly entitled to this opinion. I would say, however, that if you are not talking about change, and particularly change in this important issue of the divisiveness that exists to day in our system, you will only really be interested in partisan change, the kind you can force down the other guys throat. There is more than one kind of change and that's why I support Obama. Can he bring that change. I don't know, but it is where he sees the issue and is focused and I agree that's the change we need.

You don't happen to have a really hot sister, do you?

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Talking about change and actually being able to effect change are two different animals. I think that's one of the main reasons you see the disillusioned righties supporting Obama. They know he is farther left then Hillary, if fact I beleive they are banking on that fact and are hoping he will bite off more then he can chew and not get much of anything changed. That will give them the time and the opportunity t get their house in order for 2012.

I don't want to just vote for change, I WANT change and I think Hillary has the best hand to actually effect that change.

You are certainly entitled to this opinion. I would say, however, that if you are not talking about change, and particularly change in this important issue of the divisiveness that exists to day in our system, you will only really be interested in partisan change, the kind you can force down the other guys throat. There is more than one kind of change and that's why I support Obama. Can he bring that change. I don't know, but it is where he sees the issue and is focused and I agree that's the change we need.

You don't happen to have a really hot sister, do you?

wigs are cheap...

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
why turn over the nomination to the Hildabeast... doing so assures a republican president in 2008.

The only people that want Hillary are angry white females....and the mentally inept

Hey, I not only have a penis, but I was also smart enough to grammar check your post.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Nitemare
why turn over the nomination to the Hildabeast... doing so assures a republican president in 2008.

The only people that want Hillary are angry white females....and the mentally inept

Hey, I not only have a penis, but I was also smart enough to grammar check your post.

<---hands you a cookie

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The answer, I believe, is really rather simple and what Obama has said, that there is an urgency of change, right now. We don't need 16 years of Democrats. We need a new political tone and direction, a movement to end partisan bitterness and bickering in favor of what is best for the whole nation. We need somebody who has respect for and will listen to the other side. Liberals what to change what is bad and conservatives want to preserve what is good. If you start there, lots can be done. Everything is in the case you can make for your position, what truly should not be lost and what should surely change as the greatest good for the people. It is special interests that profit when the people are divided, their interests that get promoted. The partisan hate is their smoke screen.

bullsh*t. bush came into office promising to change the tone. its the same old promise that every politician makes these days. you'd have to be a real tool to believe its true and to ignore the very real differences in the country. and frankly from his voting record and what he really says, no, he doesn't listen to the other side, its just bs. he mostly listens ot the far left portion of his constituency while pretending he is uniting everyone. nothings going to change other than the lifting of a few delusions if he gets into office.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Talking about change and actually being able to effect change are two different animals. I think that's one of the main reasons you see the disillusioned righties supporting Obama. They know he is farther left then Hillary, if fact I beleive they are banking on that fact and are hoping he will bite off more then he can chew and not get much of anything changed. That will give them the time and the opportunity t get their house in order for 2012.

I don't want to just vote for change, I WANT change and I think Hillary has the best hand to actually effect that change.

:roll:

What exactly is Hillary going to change? She's pro-war and pro-corporation. Oh sure, she'd bomb different countries and get bought off by different industries than a Republican, but I'd hardly call that change.

The only change that Hillary can bring us is the same one that Bush brought us. Regime change. Back and forth between the same 2 contesting powers that have controlled this country since 1980.

I already voted for Billary twice before. What change could we possibly get by voting for her a 3rd time that we didn't get before?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
bullsh*t. bush came into office promising to change the tone. its the same old promise that every politician makes these days. you'd have to be a real tool to believe its true and to ignore the very real differences in the country. and frankly from his voting record and what he really says, no, he doesn't listen to the other side, its just bs. he mostly listens ot the far left portion of his constituency while pretending he is uniting everyone. nothings going to change other than the lifting of a few delusions if he gets into office.

Translation: a vote for Hillary is a vote for continuing partisanship and cynicism.