Why doesn't Obama wait 8 years?

dennilfloss

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If the party apparatchik want to think long-term, this could result in 16 consecutive years of Democrat dominance. Obama would still be young then and have more experience, more substance to offer rather than just a vague proposal for a change in the political culture of the nation. I'm surprised no one has openly tried to convince him to do that.
 

bamacre

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Maybe he doesn't want to preside during a time when almost half the federal government's revenue goes to paying interest on debt. Another 8 years in Iraq, UHC, and skyrocketing SS and medicare expenditures will certainly put us somewhere along those lines.
 

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8 years is a long time. Look at how much "change" Bush accomplished. Adding $3 trillion in national debt. Starting a $1 trillion war with a country that never posed a threat to us. Eliminating basic freedoms. Invading personal privacy. Cutting public programs while piling on dollars into the DOD.

Imagine how much "change" Obama could do in the opposite direction.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: dennilfloss
If the party apparatchik want to think long-term, this could result in 16 consecutive years of Democrat dominance. Obama would still be young then and have more experience, more substance to offer rather than just a vague proposal for a change in the political culture of the nation. I'm surprised no one has openly tried to convince him to do that.

6 years ago we were talking about permanent republican majority.

we're talking about a guy who's made change his mantra. Assuming he's sincere, how does that work into waiting 8 years so we can have more of the status quo.
 

Farang

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The reason he has always been held up to co-frontrunner status (or almost-co-frontrunner status) during the campaign is because he is that young, charismatic rising star of the party that draws comparisons to JFK. Take a 54 year-old Obama who nobody remembers from the 2004 convention and he no longer has that going for him. Now is his time. If he loses there is a slight chance of a comeback but really the spirit of his campaign is a one-shot deal. You can't be a young, hopeful upstart with a decade in the Senate .
 

daveymark

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8 more years would harden him into a regular politician. he'd have experience that would be under the microscope. better to get him in office now, when people don't realize that he'll be just another dirty politician
 

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Originally posted by: daveymark
8 more years would harden him into a regular politician. he'd have experience that would be under the microscope. better to get him in office now, when people don't realize that he'll be just another dirty politician

No, better get him in now before HE realizes that.
 

compuwiz1

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I think Ron Paul should wait another 8 years. I don't remember ever voting for a dead person. :p
 

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In politics, timing is everything. Obama was drafted more than anything else because many wanted him to run. As we may recall, Hillary opted to get more Senate experience and declined to run in 2004. And also one should remember, anyone running from the Senate does not want their senate re-election date to be a one out three Presidential election year.

And besides, its character and not experience, IMHO, that defines a persons ability to be an effective President. That and the judgment to choose good advisers that have decades of experience and expertise in a wide variety of areas.

Sadly, McCain and Ron Paul, while they have some qualities the times call for, got the short end of the stick when it came to timing. The times choose Obama and Obama must play the cards he was dealt.
 

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because he knows he is better than hitlary
why would he want to wait, he is getting craploads of money to support his campaign

Queen Hillary isn't the inevitable next person in line for the American Monarchy like she thinks
 

FoBoT

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Originally posted by: compuwiz1
I think Ron Paul should wait another 8 years. I don't remember ever voting for a dead person. :p

too bad you didn't live in Missouri in 2000, you could have voted for Mel Carnahan for Senate after he died
 

BeauJangles

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He can't wait. Like 2004, the Democracts should have a big advantage going into this election. As long as they can portray themselves as something more than "Hey, I'm not GWB", they should win. IF they win (which is more than 50-50 likely, IMO) then Obama would be in a terrible position. He couldn't run in 2012 because the current president would seek reelection and, if that president won, he'd be screwed in 2016, too.

Basically, his time to run is now. His campaign and his message are more true now than they will be in 8 years.
 
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I've wondered that, too. Why not wait 8 years and let Hillary have her turn? However, when you have a good chance of winning the nomination, you have to go for it. After all, eight years from now there could be another rising Democratic superstar or the American people might be so angry at the Democrats (kinda like how they feel with the Republicans right now) that the Democratic nominee may have merely won the job of losing to the Republican nominee.
 

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Because in 8 years people will be screaming for a change in the other direction. If he is going to win now is his shot.
 

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Originally posted by: compuwiz1
I think Ron Paul should wait another 8 years. I don't remember ever voting for a dead person. :p


Because you were never voting in Missouri:D
 

ahurtt

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He can run now. . .if he doesn't win, he can run again later. I don't think there's a limit on the number of times you can RUN for president. Only how many times you can serve.
 

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I think that he should run now. If he thinks he is the best person for the job why wait let Hillary wait the 8 years.
 

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Originally posted by: ahurtt
He can run now. . .if he doesn't win, he can run again later. I don't think there's a limit on the number of times you can RUN for president. Only how many times you can serve.

I think Gore proved that.
 

1EZduzit

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The sheeple want "change". With little public record to critic, Obama can make claim to be the "agent of change". Does he know what he's doing or is he simply riding the wave of public opinion that is demanding change? I don't think anybody really knows the answer to that question.

I personally prefer to see a track record. Look at GWB's track record, he bankrupted every company he ran, now he can include the US goverment on his loser resume. LOL, what did the sheeple expect he was going to do, help the poor?

The ironic part is that now everybody is so pissed off at themselves over their own stupidity/greed they want to elect someone with little experience because he's for "change". Sorry, but that doesn't inspire my confidence in the economy, not one little bit. I have nothing against change, I just think that change needs to be done at a measured pace that the majority feels comfortable with.


 

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The answer, I believe, is really rather simple and what Obama has said, that there is an urgency of change, right now. We don't need 16 years of Democrats. We need a new political tone and direction, a movement to end partisan bitterness and bickering in favor of what is best for the whole nation. We need somebody who has respect for and will listen to the other side. Liberals what to change what is bad and conservatives want to preserve what is good. If you start there, lots can be done. Everything is in the case you can make for your position, what truly should not be lost and what should surely change as the greatest good for the people. It is special interests that profit when the people are divided, their interests that get promoted. The partisan hate is their smoke screen.
 

piasabird

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You dont throw the baby out with the bathwater because you dont like the soap. Some things about America are worth saving and worth fighting for.
 

TheSlamma

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LOL @ political experience.

That translates to "Experience accepting bribes from lobbyists and getting contempt with your power and chronies"