Why doesn't Microsoft get any love?

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bradley

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Microsoft was too busy being a boardroom company and completely removed from anyone not an enterprise customer. They could have been positioned to dominate a *vast* mobile market bubble, but instead were completely out of touch and short-sighted.

And while I like Satya Nadella's vision, Microsoft continues making major/minor mistakes under him.

Just one small example is the termination of a likable guy such as Jerry aka Barnacules Nerdgasm. Once again they miss out on so much untapped experience and free exposure and street cred. The world is moving toward another tech paradigm filled with growing numbers of content creators and Microsoft once again is absolutely clueless.

Microsoft laid me off after 15 years of service. Life after Microsoft?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRV6PXB6QLk
 

BurnItDwn

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Most of my infinite rage against Microsoft is due to the existence of things like Sharepoint.
 

BoberFett

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Most of my infinite rage against Microsoft is due to the existence of things like Sharepoint.

Ugh, I was going to bring up Sharepoint in my post, and I decided not to. I didn't need the headache.

That has got to be one of the worst pieces of widely used enterprise software ever.
 

matricks

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Whether it's Nintendo, Apple or Sony; it seems like these companies have always had a solid and vocal group of people who will express their support no matter what. While Microsoft only seems to get a lukewarm reception when they release a good product (Windows 7, and XP). But it's the end of the world when a Windows (8, Vista, ME) is released.

I think Microsofts portfolio covers more separate segments than most of the mentioned competitors, with desktop and server OS, phones and OS, tablets, game console, productivity software, server software and probably some other stuff. Most of the others have more brand connectivity between their product segments. Sony PS4 can be connected to a Sony TV, Sony AV receiver (Sony speakers?), and Sony fanboy is happy because Sony, Sony everywhere. On the other hand, the average Xbox fanboy isn't all that enthusiastic about how his favorite console manufacturer also makes Microsoft SQL Server or Sharepoint. Apple iphone, ipad, watch and whatnot all talks together, some don't serve a purpose without the other, and somehow the fact that every little Apple thingy needs to be linked to itunes is a blessing, not a curse.

Everyone knows Microsoft Office, it's not cool. There are other productivity suites promoted as superior by some people, who stereotypically use less popular operating systems and really need to go shave. Those people aren't cool to follow.

Windows XP slowly rose to power throughout its years, it wasn't a technological smash hit on day one. At the time of Windows 7 release there was no need to replace XP in a hurry, lots of people settled on what they knew. (Also, Microsoft made Windows past XP extraordinarily difficult to use, by removing "Start" from the Start button and adding a really convenient search field in the Start menu. Damn them.)

I would say one area where Microsoft has the kind of following you are asking about is software development. Product wise, Visual Studio is overall very well regarded among IDEs. There are of course people who dislike VS, and people disliking IDEs as a whole, buit it seems to have a lot of outspoken fans. C# and .NET are also technologies that have managed to gain both market adoption and a fanbase.
 

BurnItDwn

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Ugh, I was going to bring up Sharepoint in my post, and I decided not to. I didn't need the headache.

That has got to be one of the worst pieces of widely used enterprise software ever.

Planwell & "Atlassian Tools"are also horror shows.

I believe they resurrect an old 386 or 486 from the computer graveyard, and then use it for 1000+ corporate users and set deadlines like monday 10am or friday 5pm, so everybody tries to do everything at the same time....
 

smackababy

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Planwell & "Atlassian Tools"are also horror shows.

I believe they resurrect an old 386 or 486 from the computer graveyard, and then use it for 1000+ corporate users and set deadlines like monday 10am or friday 5pm, so everybody tries to do everything at the same time....

I've had zero problems with JIRA, BitBucket, Bamboo, or their code review product (can't recall the name or if it is build into Bamboo).


If you guys want to use some poor products, check out Lotus Notes, or even worse, Lotus forms!
 

biostud

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Of the large tech companies Microsoft is my favorite. And I like to share my internet acticivty between companies so they don't get access to all my data in one company.

Microsoft gets my personal files - OneDrive
Google gets my search results
Facecbook gets my contacts.
 

Linux23

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Ugh, I was going to bring up Sharepoint in my post, and I decided not to. I didn't need the headache.

That has got to be one of the worst pieces of widely used enterprise software ever.

uugh, i loathe supporting sharepoint.
 

irishScott

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Microsoft hasn't cultivated a consumer image outside of enterprise. Which is fine given that enterprise is their main revenue stream, but they come off as a bunch of stuffy corporate suits next to Apple's artsy elegance and Google's colorful, agile super-geekism.

Microsoft has the resources to do so much, but up until the Hololens all they seemed interested in doing was being an enterprise IT supplier with a little consumer business on the side. They were late to mobile in every way, and their Desktop/Tablet OS still sucks compared to the alternatives IMO, although it has gotten better since Windows 7. The only reason for anyone to use Windows as a home/laptop PC is that everything important runs on it, but with OSX taking up more and more of the home user marketplace even that status might be threatened.

Don't get me wrong I more-or-less like the direction Microsoft is going with Nadella at the helm, although I'm mourning their apparent slow abandonment of mobile; but they still don't have a very positive image to most people. To most millennials Microsoft is the company of your parents and the OS you have to use if you want to game. Hardcore technies use linux, and everyone else uses Apple.
 

John Connor

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Not really defending Microsoft here. I think that their new CEO might have some good ideas and maybe they are finally going to realize that they can't expect the whole world to fork out a pile of cash every 3 years for a brand new OS. But we'll see.


Uh... Windows 10 IS the final OS.
 

John Connor

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Ever since M$ wanted to charge for Xbox live, I laughed at them. I have no direct qualms with them though. As much as I'm not a fan of their OS changes and M$ Office changes.

No different than Android vs. iPhone, no?


I liked Playstation for the free network, but now they are charging for it.
 

John Connor

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Then I'd be twice as popular!

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:^D


Sudo OS not found. :twisted:
 

mmntech

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I liked Playstation for the free network, but now they are charging for it.

Which is a joke considering the state of PSN right now. Security is a big issue (still no two-factor authentication), and network outages are becoming a regular thing. Plus it still lacks basic features like being able to change your username and invisibility mode.
 

Markbnj

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Microsoft hasn't cultivated a consumer image outside of enterprise. Which is fine given that enterprise is their main revenue stream, but they come off as a bunch of stuffy corporate suits next to Apple's artsy elegance and Google's colorful, agile super-geekism.

It's true, and it's an amazing thing given where they started. The whole reason I began learning to program DOS/Windows using Borland, and eventually MS tools was because it was all right there and accessible. Stuff wasn't free, but it wasn't IBM either ($144 for a VGA interface manual, anyone?). Back then MS was basically creating the t-shirts and bluejeans Seattle tech scene. Somewhere along the line "laid back software geeks" became suit and tie cube warriors. It's the main motivation behind my moving to open source four years ago. I don't want to grow up.
 

SparkyJJO

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Most of my infinite rage against Microsoft is due to the existence of things like Sharepoint.

I am trying to avoid having to set up/manage Sharepoint at work. Partially because I have no prior experience with it :p but also because it always sounds like a horrible nightmare every time I dig into it at all.

I've had zero problems with JIRA, BitBucket, Bamboo, or their code review product (can't recall the name or if it is build into Bamboo).

If you guys want to use some poor products, check out Lotus Notes, or even worse, Lotus forms!

Lotus Notes.... <shudder>
Had that at my old work. Never a day went by that it actually worked right. Someone, somewhere, always had some sort of failure with it.