Why doesn't apple support blu ray playback?
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Licensing? It can be a number of things. Look how long it took for them to have HDMI actually on the device (like on the Macbook Pro).
JimKiler
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Jobs called it a bag of hurt and concluded it will be overtaken by downloading/streaming.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/jul/01/apple-jobs-blu-ray-rejection
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/jul/01/apple-jobs-blu-ray-rejection
Here are two big reasons:
AppleTV HD streaming
MacBooks No disc drive
Apple is trying to move away from physical media, including blu rays.
AppleTV HD streaming
MacBooks No disc drive
Apple is trying to move away from physical media, including blu rays.
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I'd say the biggest reason is that they get a piece of the pie with streaming/downloading services through iTunes whereas they get nothing (and actually incur additional costs) from Blu-ray playback.
They could afford it.
Furthermore, it would be good for the format, and in Sony's interest, to make it free or very cheap.
mmntech
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Well, he was right. Bluray isn't flying off the shelves anymore. Especially since Blockbuster went belly up. Also, who was and still is the leader for downloadable HD video content? It couldn't be iTunes, could it? :sneaky:
Playing Bluray on Mac is pointless. It's a enough of a nightmare to get it working properly on PC, if you don't have AnyDVD HD.
Give the man a prize! Apple seems to have an allergy for any kind of disc drive, and is working on phasing them out from their computer lineup. First it was the floppy drive (and good riddance), now it's the optical drive (which also has largely overstayed its welcome) and even HDD.
Blu Ray, meh, never touched a Blu Ray movie disc. I recently gave away all my DVDs as the ex took the DVD player years and years ago. Optical media can just go away. I think Apple is right to pull the optical drives out of their notebooks.
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For people that put convenience over quality, streaming is a perfect match. For people that put quality over anything else, there is no substitute for BD. And for the people that want quality AND convenience, streaming BD's on an internal network is a match made in heaven.
As for Apple supporting optical BD's, meh. I really don't care. If I wanted to watch a BD movie on something like a MacBook Air, I'd rip it, convert it to mkv, and watch it whenever I wanted without having to pull out a disc while I was on a plane or something. Swapping out discs while on a flight is a HORRIBLE idea.
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Good post. It's good to see sometimes you make really good posts.
Bluray is a complete 100% [lame], this is official.
I had spent years and years trying to make bluray to work without any issues or inconveniences. They are pain in the butt. Even with legit valid copy of the playback software it requires a millions of updates ever damn month or every other week. You put in some "old" bluray disc and it can't play it cause the updates are no longer supporting the old disc. It's fucking pathetic.
I really really hope this bluray business goes down and fail miserably... I officially boycott them. I started doing this a few years ago.
Even if some movie studios come beg me and offer me $10,000 to watch their bluray titles I will not. Even if it's 1 million dollars.... all this incompatibility crap, licensing, updates crap is not worth to me. I brain-washed my Dad so he is "anti-bluray" now. Avoid anything related to bluray......
This is why I [do things I cannot talk about]
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However, blu rays are the absolute best quality, and they are the best way to view a movie. THey are better than Apple's HD downloads, and actually are cheaper in many cases.
Arkaign
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Good post. It's good to see sometimes you make really good posts.
Bluray is a complete 100% ghey, this is official.
I had spent years and years trying to make bluray to work without any issues or inconveniences. They are pain in the butt. Even with legit valid copy of the playback software it requires a millions of updates ever damn month or every other week. You put in some "old" bluray disc and it can't play it cause the updates are no longer supporting the old disc. It's fucking pathetic.
I really really hope this bluray business goes down and fail miserably... I officially boycott them. I started doing this a few years ago.
Even if some movie studios come beg me and offer me $10,000 to watch their bluray titles I will not. Even if it's 1 million dollars.... all this incompatibility crap, licensing, updates crap is not worth to me. I brain-washed my Dad so he is "anti-bluray" now. Avoid anything related to bluray......
This is why I just download uncompressed 1080i MPEG-TS stuff from a special place online... believe it or not, the PQ is better than typical blu-ray titles...
(1)- Yes, BluRay playback on PCs is less than ideal in convenience, AnyDVD is actually a huge help with that, combine that with PowerDVD and things are 99% okay though. It should definitely be easier imho.
(2)- You're smoking amazing crack if you think "1080i MPEG-TS" is better than BluRay quality. That's either shockingly ignorant, or you're watching on a 720p screen anyway. Or apples/oranging it with a crappy BD title (plenty of those out there) with a good HD rip. On a good/clear BD there is a world of difference between even pretty good rips and the real thing. The only way to truly beat BluRay quality is to get at the source material the studios used to master that title (unlikely at best), or watch it in the theatre on a proper setup.
(3)- Streaming should someday beat BD in terms of quality. It will be the dominant market before that in all probability. "Pretty good" HD streaming is already watchable for most things, or everything if you don't have a good TV/Home Theatre. I definitely prefer BluRay by a long shot at this point for anything I really care about having a good image/sound though. The real villian in this situation is average ISP speed in the US. To have true BD-quality (or better), with current compression technology you'd want everyone to have 50mbit Internet connections or better (think of bandwidth overhead and the sometimes laggy nature of the internet to begin with, you'd need some fairly large caching to get a 100% solid and not pixelated 1080p stream). Hell, even Netflix HD, which looks fairly horrible on a nice TV .. is prone to spotty streaming quality.
That's why I just put the disk into the PS3 and call it a day. Even if I had a HTPC, I still probably wouldn't use it for BluRay playback for 2 reasons:
1: It would almost certainly be a hackintosh
2: Because F! optical, that's why (which is to say, I have a PS3 for that sort of thing)
Not everyone has AnyDVD.... Not everyone is willing to purchase AnyDVD either.
PowerDVD is one of the companies I want to avoid the most. Tired of installing updates every week. And updates fail to sometimes. It gives more room for troubles. Updates - Stupidest idea ever on Earth. There is no sense of standardization.
I have never tried crack or any of that sort in my life before. Sorry.
No, I am not being ignorant. I am pro when it comes to PQ.
Wrong.... 1080i native screen doesn't automatically give you better picture. There is more to it than just the number of resolvable details of the content. It's complex.
You said "plenty". You just proved my point. I said "typical" BD titles for comparison I mentioned earlier. I didn't say "Top-quality Reference material BD titles". Read carefully please before jumping.
Are you comparing to the ripped HD videos you download from web? Cause 99.99999% of them have crappy PQ (to my standard) so of course a good BD title will be miles better than them.
It depends on the original recording too, source that is. The MPEG2-TS stuff I have easily slaughters the "typical" BD titles in PQ. And come scary close to the reference quality BD titles. No you can't get stuff I have.... it's highly confidential.
You want better PQ just go outside to a park on a nice day. The gradation of colors is superior. You can't beat it. Brightness and natural light you can't beat.
Arkaign
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ROFL okay, you have some super-secret source of high quality HD movies/etc, and it's 1080i (Interlaced)? Allllllll-righty then. You should go post this in AV & Home Theatre so you can get laughed out of the forums.
You fail the logic of the simple truth :
*- A rip will always be lesser quality than the source, unless truly lossless, which will be no better than the source.
*- Nobody is ripping AAA material from sources better than BluRay. It just doesn't happen.
*- 1080i is garbage compared to 1080p.
*- Comparing a great rip to an average/poor BluRay is apples/oranges. Comparing the same title is the only completely valid comparison, and that will always favor BluRay outside of very very very rare circumstances where the BD transfer was worse than DVD (which has happened on occassion, lol).
BluRay is not perfect. There are tons of things about it that are annoying. But it remains far and away the best thing next to the theatre for the best audiovideo Cinema experience. It doesn't matter much for Macs. The typical Mac is already in the hands of someone who would own a BD setup if they cared about home theatre, and there's pretty much no reason to worry about BD on a notebook, especially ones with small screens. Probably the chief reason BD isn't on apple stuff is that it competes with apple stuff, and not enough people care enough that they would demand it. A pretty good BD set-top player is ~$100ish, why bother?
You fail the logic of the simple truth :
*- A rip will always be lesser quality than the source, unless truly lossless, which will be no better than the source.
*- Nobody is ripping AAA material from sources better than BluRay. It just doesn't happen.
*- 1080i is garbage compared to 1080p.
*- Comparing a great rip to an average/poor BluRay is apples/oranges. Comparing the same title is the only completely valid comparison, and that will always favor BluRay outside of very very very rare circumstances where the BD transfer was worse than DVD (which has happened on occassion, lol).
BluRay is not perfect. There are tons of things about it that are annoying. But it remains far and away the best thing next to the theatre for the best audiovideo Cinema experience. It doesn't matter much for Macs. The typical Mac is already in the hands of someone who would own a BD setup if they cared about home theatre, and there's pretty much no reason to worry about BD on a notebook, especially ones with small screens. Probably the chief reason BD isn't on apple stuff is that it competes with apple stuff, and not enough people care enough that they would demand it. A pretty good BD set-top player is ~$100ish, why bother?
I"m going to guess the main impetus of this continued DRM is to discourage burning movies between friends.
It's still quite a hassle to view a movie downloaded from the internet on an HDTV.
It's still quite a hassle to view a movie downloaded from the internet on an HDTV.
We'll see about that. I need to correct your wrong assumptions first though.
I never said it's a rip that I have. I said this clearly to you that it is "uncompressed" 1080i. They are the original 1080i 30 fps recording. They blow the doors off both your "ripped" HD videos and "typical" BD titles.
You are going off track now. Please read the post above.
Not exactly garbage. It depends on the recording. You can have a well done 1080i recording beating a poorly recorded 1080p. Blame the cameraman, the HD camera, and poor method of recording (lighting for example).
...... but yeah, progressive scan itself is superior especially for motion handling. Depends who recorded, the 1080p can turn out ghey.... same goes true for the 1080i recording.
Also, keep in mind that there are a hundred dollar handheld HD cameras and $150k~ $200k Stationary HD cameras.
Again, read the post two steps above. I am not talking about the rip.
Movie theater my butt. They have worse PQ compare to Plasma. This is due to the limitation of the technology of the projection system. This is one of the reasons why I don't go to movie theaters anymore.
You are messing with the wrong dude.... I told you I'm a videophile.
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Arkaign
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HAHAHA you're an expert troll, I'll give you that
Uncompressed 1080i? Who would ever use something like that for a master, it makes less than zero sense.
You say you're a videophile but then turn around and say Plasma is better than Theatre? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat????????
You could go apples/oranges and only compare theatres with terrible projectors (maybe in small town USA or Detriot or old Soviet Bloc backwaters?) .. but the fact of the matter is that modern 2k and 4k projectors are an order of magnitude better than any 1080 source could ever EVER be.
Even normal old Imax is 6,120 × 4,500 (discernible), and newer formats such as 2K and 4K are basically the standard now, either one of which is a VAST improvement from lowly home TVs. A typical DCI movie sent to a good digital theatre these days is a 200GB-300GB piece of work, and BluRay, not to mention any 1080i rework down the line, is going to be a fairly large step down in quality. Digital theatres with 2K or better are the standard these days, true film projectors are rapidly disappearing and already in the distinct minority.
If you're talking about "uncompressed 1080i MPEG" that has nothing to do with contemporary movies that are on BD or from good 35MM or 70MM stock, then that really has nothing to do with comparing to BluRay anyway. Even well-restored or kept 35MM and especially 70MM films have much much higher resolution than 1080 can ever store.
Uncompressed 1080i? Who would ever use something like that for a master, it makes less than zero sense.
You say you're a videophile but then turn around and say Plasma is better than Theatre? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat????????
You could go apples/oranges and only compare theatres with terrible projectors (maybe in small town USA or Detriot or old Soviet Bloc backwaters?) .. but the fact of the matter is that modern 2k and 4k projectors are an order of magnitude better than any 1080 source could ever EVER be.
Even normal old Imax is 6,120 × 4,500 (discernible), and newer formats such as 2K and 4K are basically the standard now, either one of which is a VAST improvement from lowly home TVs. A typical DCI movie sent to a good digital theatre these days is a 200GB-300GB piece of work, and BluRay, not to mention any 1080i rework down the line, is going to be a fairly large step down in quality. Digital theatres with 2K or better are the standard these days, true film projectors are rapidly disappearing and already in the distinct minority.
If you're talking about "uncompressed 1080i MPEG" that has nothing to do with contemporary movies that are on BD or from good 35MM or 70MM stock, then that really has nothing to do with comparing to BluRay anyway. Even well-restored or kept 35MM and especially 70MM films have much much higher resolution than 1080 can ever store.
mmntech
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Arkaign, stop feeding him, did you miss the cable thread?
Just know you're right and he's wrong and move on
Ah, the infamous $1,200 3.5mm audio cable thread. That one has become the stuff of Anandtech Forums legend.
It's no good explaining technical details to him. It's all magic and flimflam after all.
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