Why Does Windows Still Suck?

[MrChad]

Originally posted by: Nik
Uh, no. Read the instruction manual for your car and tell me if it teaches you how to drive. Tell me if it teaches you the laws of the road for every city, county, state, and country in the world. Tell me if it teaches you how to keep burglars from breaking into your car. Tell me if it teaches you how to properly pack bags of groceries, boxes, people, and anything else you can possibly put into your car so that you have the best use of space in any situation that you could possibly experience.

It doesn't.

The handbook for your car is like that stupid Tour XP thing that comes up when you first install Windows XP.

Useless in the real world.

I didn't say it told me EVERYTHING. I said it told me about when to perform basic maintenance.

My point is, who should teach these things to uninformed computer users? Should people be required to get a license to connect to the internet?

 

[ndee]

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: BriGy86
theres plenty of free virsions fo firewalls and AV software out there

and one of the 1st things you should do before connecting a computer to the net is put those programs on..... what a moron

Where would he get those programs if the computer doesn't have a net connection?

Buy one?

Man, that was a hard solution.

Maybe some people don't want to pay for those programs?

 

[piroroadkill]

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: BriGy86
theres plenty of free virsions fo firewalls and AV software out there

and one of the 1st things you should do before connecting a computer to the net is put those programs on..... what a moron

Where would he get those programs if the computer doesn't have a net connection?

Buy one?

Man, that was a hard solution.

Maybe some people don't want to pay for those programs?

If you don't have a net connection, you don't need that stuff.

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: BriGy86
theres plenty of free virsions fo firewalls and AV software out there

and one of the 1st things you should do before connecting a computer to the net is put those programs on..... what a moron

Where would he get those programs if the computer doesn't have a net connection?

Buy one?

Man, that was a hard solution.

Maybe some people don't want to pay for those programs?

Yeah, and people don't want to pay for a transmission when they throw their 4-speed auto in park cruisng down the road at 35mph :roll:

 

[ndee]

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: BriGy86
theres plenty of free virsions fo firewalls and AV software out there

and one of the 1st things you should do before connecting a computer to the net is put those programs on..... what a moron

Where would he get those programs if the computer doesn't have a net connection?

Buy one?

Man, that was a hard solution.

Maybe some people don't want to pay for those programs?

Yeah, and people don't want to pay for a transmission when they throw their 4-speed auto in park cruisng down the road at 35mph :roll:

Are there free transmissions? No. Are there free Firewalls and Anti Virus? Yes.

 

[slpaulson]

Are you using a PC? You probably have spyware. The McAfee site claims a whopping 91 percent of PCs are infected.

91% of PC users are noobs then.

 

[imported_Lucifer]

Articles like those get on my nerves.

Why isnt everyone on a Mac.
blah blah this blah blah that.

Whoever wrote that article is an idiot. :roll:

 

[NuclearNed]

Originally posted by: Nik
Blah blah blah. People who think Windows sucks are elitist short-sighted morons who don't understand the value of "compatibility for people who don't give a fvck about anything else".

True. I can't remember the last time I had a problem with Windows XP. But then again, I am a competent user, unlike many.

 

[Hyperblaze]

Tempted to reply...really tempted.....

I just can't bring myself enough to care about what people think of windows

You use what you need. Whichever case maybe. There are pros and cons to every system.

Linux fits my needs better then Windows. If someone wants to be locked into file formats, they are more then welcome, just don't bitch at me when something goes wrong.

 

[piroroadkill]

Originally posted by: cRazYdood

Are you using a PC? You probably have spyware. The McAfee site claims a whopping 91 percent of PCs are infected.

91% of PC users are noobs then.

I must concur. They will learn. Hopefully.

 

[Baked]

To answer the title question. Because people continue to be stupid.

 

[Vic]

Meh. If you never check or change your car's engine oil, and the engine eventually blows up (as it will), don't be surprised when the manufacturer tells you that a new engine won't be covered under warranty (as they will).

 

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: Baked
To answer the title question. Because people continue to be stupid.

calling people stupid is not the answer. You just need to educate them.

If some folks complain about windows to me. I let them know of alternative solutions. If they are interested in not using Windows, then so much the better.

Again, what i say is my opinion.

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: MrChad
I think ISPs should take greater responsibility and install firewall AND antivirus software as part of their software packages.

Many do.

Originally posted by: MrChad
Why don't cable/DSL modems offer built in NAT? Would it be that difficult to add? It could at least provide some small level of protection from outside attacks.

Many do.

 

[MrChad]

Originally posted by: werk

Originally posted by: MrChad
I think ISPs should take greater responsibility and install firewall AND antivirus software as part of their software packages.

Many do.

Originally posted by: MrChad
Why don't cable/DSL modems offer built in NAT? Would it be that difficult to add? It could at least provide some small level of protection from outside attacks.

Many do.

:thumbsup:

This should be the norm in my opinion. I've seen many ISPs offer antivirus, but I wasn't aware that firewall solutions were being offered now as well.

 

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: BriGy86
theres plenty of free virsions fo firewalls and AV software out there

and one of the 1st things you should do before connecting a computer to the net is put those programs on..... what a moron

With the security, reliability, and cost of today's hardware firewalls, anyone who recommends a software firewall for anything other than target practice with a .12 guage... is a moron.

What kind of hardware "firewall" are you talking about. A real hardware firewall is out of reach of the casual surfer. Are you talking about a simple little NAT router? That's HARDLY a replacement for a software firewall.

A NAT router is a nice start to protection, but a software firewall is still necessary with them, IMO.

 

[suse920]

wow she didnt have any virus protection and wonders why she gets messed up. The average time it take san unprotected windows computer is 4 minutes too.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: MrChad

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: MrChad
I think ISPs should take greater responsibility and install firewall AND antivirus software as part of their software packages.

:laugh: No way. An ISP just provides the connection. When I sign up for an ISP, I want speed and reliability. I don't want fuggin MSN software, proprietary versions of IE and OE (rebadged), and all kinds of other stupid mods to my OS. Then again, I run linux. They can *try* to install, if they want. :laugh:

:roll:

Obviously experienced computer users (who don't install the software in the first place) are knowledgeable enough to protect their computers without using the ISP's software.

My point was that providers such as AOL, TimeWarner, Comcast, Verizon and EarthLink should offer firewall software as part of their standard software package. Less tech-savvy users DO install the ISP's software, and they should expect a reasonable level of protection from their service provider.

It's not the ISP's responsibility to make sure that your computer is safe from that crap! They provide an internet connection, and that should be it. I worked for cable ISP's for years doing their top level tech support, their last-line-of-defense, as it were. ISP's that offer software for their connection are just... meh. Stupid. They need to offer *nothing* but the connection and the support for that connection. Everything else is just opening up a huge can of worms. I don't know how many times I've told customers "sorry, but your install of Windows isn't stable. Windows is a MS product, not a COMPANY-X product. You'll need to contact them for support." where "Company-X" was @Home, Comcast, Cox, AT&T, and a whole crapload of others.

ISPs are NOT software support companies, and they shouldn't be.

If they would supply a free (software) firewall, I'm sure they would get alot less calls -> saving money.

Been there, done that. You have no idea how wrong you are.

Originally posted by: MrChad

Originally posted by: Nik
Uh, no. Read the instruction manual for your car and tell me if it teaches you how to drive. Tell me if it teaches you the laws of the road for every city, county, state, and country in the world. Tell me if it teaches you how to keep burglars from breaking into your car. Tell me if it teaches you how to properly pack bags of groceries, boxes, people, and anything else you can possibly put into your car so that you have the best use of space in any situation that you could possibly experience.

It doesn't.

The handbook for your car is like that stupid Tour XP thing that comes up when you first install Windows XP.

Useless in the real world.

I didn't say it told me EVERYTHING. I said it told me about when to perform basic maintenance.

My point is, who should teach these things to uninformed computer users? Should people be required to get a license to connect to the internet?

YES!!

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: DougK62

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: BriGy86
theres plenty of free virsions fo firewalls and AV software out there

and one of the 1st things you should do before connecting a computer to the net is put those programs on..... what a moron

With the security, reliability, and cost of today's hardware firewalls, anyone who recommends a software firewall for anything other than target practice with a .12 guage... is a moron.

What kind of hardware "firewall" are you talking about. A real hardware firewall is out of reach of the casual surfer. Are you talking about a simple little NAT router? That's HARDLY a replacement for a software firewall.

A NAT router is a nice start to protection, but a software firewall is still necessary with them, IMO.

WRT54GS is less than $100.00

 

[fbrdphreak]

My point is, who should teach these things to uninformed computer users? Should people be required to get a license to connect to the internet?

Best idea yet! Next is making old folks and young folks take very comprehensive driving tests

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: suse920
wow she didnt have any virus protection and wonders why she gets messed up. The average time it take san unprotected windows computer is 4 minutes too.

Virus scan ain't going to stop a worm, which is what she got... You need a firewall, AV will only remove it once infected.

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: MrChad

Originally posted by: werk

Originally posted by: MrChad
I think ISPs should take greater responsibility and install firewall AND antivirus software as part of their software packages.

Many do.

Originally posted by: MrChad
Why don't cable/DSL modems offer built in NAT? Would it be that difficult to add? It could at least provide some small level of protection from outside attacks.

Many do.

:thumbsup:

This should be the norm in my opinion. I've seen many ISPs offer antivirus, but I wasn't aware that firewall solutions were being offered now as well.

RoadRunner offers antivirus and firewall (eTrust) free with their software package.
Verizon uses Westell Dual Connect router/modem/bridges/whatever for PPoE clients which is configured for NAT (static ip requires switching it to bridge mode).
There's a good chunk of your broadband users around here.

 

[GTaudiophile]

No problems on my machines (nor on any that I manage). Don't like Windows? There are alternatives...vote with your wallet.

 

[suse920]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: suse920
wow she didnt have any virus protection and wonders why she gets messed up. The average time it take san unprotected windows computer is 4 minutes too.

Virus scan ain't going to stop a worm, which is what she got... You need a firewall, AV will only remove it once infected.

yeah she would still have gotten it, but the antivirus would have most likely caught it right away. i guess the computer didnt have XP so no built in firewall. I just noticed that the $40 mcafee software doesnt include a firewall:disgust:

 

[suse920]

Originally posted by: werk

Originally posted by: MrChad

Originally posted by: werk

Originally posted by: MrChad
I think ISPs should take greater responsibility and install firewall AND antivirus software as part of their software packages.

Many do.

Originally posted by: MrChad
Why don't cable/DSL modems offer built in NAT? Would it be that difficult to add? It could at least provide some small level of protection from outside attacks.

Many do.

:thumbsup:

This should be the norm in my opinion. I've seen many ISPs offer antivirus, but I wasn't aware that firewall solutions were being offered now as well.

RoadRunner offers antivirus and firewall (eTrust) free with their software package.
Verizon uses Westell Dual Connect router/modem/bridges/whatever for PPoE clients which is configured for NAT (static ip requires switching it to bridge mode).
There's a good chunk of your broadband users around here.

yeah verizon offers free mcafee antivirus and firewall with their dsl plans.