Why does Tomshardware.com always favor the P4?

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Bumrush99

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I wonder if Toms Hardware is on Intel's payroll.
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Whenever they get the chance to bash AMD they go full steam ahead, however, when it comes time to bench Doom 3, they ignore the HUGE performance increase you get by going to a 64 setup. The benchmarks are around 15-20 FPS slower than what everyone else is reporting online with Amd 64 systems... What gives ?
 
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Originally posted by: LTC8K6
I would test on the sytem that the most people have.
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That would be a Celeron with Intel IGP. So good luck with that ;)
 
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Bumrush99

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Originally posted by: Dman877
Tomshardware offices are in an intel building, seriously.
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Too funny. I believe it.

Back during the 3dfx vs Nvidia days, Tom buried 3dfx on a consistent basis and even had an approved by Nvidia logo on the front page with 3dfx reviews below it. Talk about selling yourself out to the highest bidder, I have no respect for that site or anything contained within it.
 
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I believe that article is used to compare grahics cards and not CPUs so it really doesnt matter in this case.
 
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Tomshardware is on Intel's payroll.

Of course, with the continuing success of AMD's Athlon64, they would sell out to AMD if they had a good enough offer.

Just look on Anandtech Forums a few weeks after any new hardware is released, you will get an accurate idea of what the performance really is.
 
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A quote of mine was sigged before:

"In other news, Thomas Pabst was seen walking into Intel headquarters armed with Vaseline and kneepads."

Still applies.

- M4H
 
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toms hardware......"shakes head"


Shame on them, they said the A64 3400+ hardly deserves its name, but they admit to it beating the P4C 3.4Ghz?

Maybe we should called the P4C 3.4Ghz a 3200+? LOL
 
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Actually though, back in the P3 days, Tom Pabst consistently favored the Athlon. I don't have a problem with the technical aspect of his reviews - but the guy seriously writes like someone who flunked grade school. What's really sad is when he tries to vary up his sentences a bit (like when he directly addresses the reader). It makes me want to cry.
 
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Correction:

I would test on the enthusiast system that most people have. :D :beer:
 
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Bumrush99

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Another thing, notice how he completely disregards the 9800 Pro/XT and the 5900/5950 lines.. Tom has always been Nvidia's bitch and chooses to bench the 9600 vs the 5700 to give Nvidia a clean sweep :)
 
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Tom's is part of the culture of "infotainment". It has SFA to do with objective reporting.

Then again how many people here would be willing to give the finger to some random marketing guy from a firm like Intel or nVidia when they are dangling a wad of cash in your face?

Not many people I would bet.

Good news is.... you too can be just as successful as Tom's. Kneepads and money counter sold separately.
 
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Tomshardware sucks and that's widely known knowledge... I don't let anything those assclowns say bug me :)
 
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Originally posted by: Bumrush99
I wonder if Toms Hardware is on Intel's payroll.
Test Setup
Whenever they get the chance to bash AMD they go full steam ahead, however, when it comes time to bench Doom 3, they ignore the HUGE performance increase you get by going to a 64 setup. The benchmarks are around 15-20 FPS slower than what everyone else is reporting online with Amd 64 systems... What gives ?
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Since this isn't an article comparing cpu's, why does it matter which cpu is used?

Not that I'm a big Tom's Hardware fan (I rarely visit the site), but when do they "go full steam ahead to bash AMD"? (And no, editorials don't count since, by design, they are personal opinion and not subject to journalistic integrity.)

I see this posted a lot, how they like to "bash AMD", but I don't really recall seeing it.
 
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its like asking, "Why does dell like Intel better?" It's because their biased into thinking that Intel is better and always will be. Tom's hardware's reviews are very knowledgable, but when it comes to amd vs intel, they give amd a bad look even if they do better.
 
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Originally posted by: Wingznut
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
I wonder if Toms Hardware is on Intel's payroll.
Test Setup
Whenever they get the chance to bash AMD they go full steam ahead, however, when it comes time to bench Doom 3, they ignore the HUGE performance increase you get by going to a 64 setup. The benchmarks are around 15-20 FPS slower than what everyone else is reporting online with Amd 64 systems... What gives ?
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Since this isn't an article comparing cpu's, why does it matter which cpu is used?

Not that I'm a big Tom's Hardware fan (I rarely visit the site), but when do they "go full steam ahead to bash AMD"? (And no, editorials don't count since, by design, they are personal opinion and not subject to journalistic integrity.)

I see this posted a lot, how they like to "bash AMD", but I don't really recall seeing it.
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Well, my take on it is, since it is wide accepted (I think even most Intel fans agree) that the Athlon64 line is superior in games compared to a comparable P4, that when testing games, they should use the better gaming CPU. Or at least have two test systems. I could care less how a game play on a P4, as I currently down't own one. There could be quite a difference with the same video card on Intel vs AMD platforms. Any benches to support this ? I haven;t seen one yet, just the same video card on both CPU's and the AMD Athlon64 wins almost all the time with comparably rated CPU's.
 
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Bumrush99

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Originally posted by: Wingznut
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
I wonder if Toms Hardware is on Intel's payroll.
Test Setup
Whenever they get the chance to bash AMD they go full steam ahead, however, when it comes time to bench Doom 3, they ignore the HUGE performance increase you get by going to a 64 setup. The benchmarks are around 15-20 FPS slower than what everyone else is reporting online with Amd 64 systems... What gives ?
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Since this isn't an article comparing cpu's, why does it matter which cpu is used?

Not that I'm a big Tom's Hardware fan (I rarely visit the site), but when do they "go full steam ahead to bash AMD"? (And no, editorials don't count since, by design, they are personal opinion and not subject to journalistic integrity.)

I see this posted a lot, how they like to "bash AMD", but I don't really recall seeing it.
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For me it is a lot more about playing favorites. Why does Tomshardware IGNORE the TRUE mid-range cards for Doom 3 like the 9800 PRO and the 5950 and decide to test a 5700 vs a 9600 which will clearly be won by Nvidia. Its the selective nature of their reviews that almost aways point to bias. By no means do I prefer ATI over Nvidia or vice versa. I'm willing to bet that less than 5% of the people interested to see how Doom3 performs on their mid level cards have those cards, with a majority of them still running 9800's or 5900/5950's. Again, it is a trend on tomshardware, selectively running benches on hardware to make the companies that pay them off look better. Nvidia swept this round if you went through the entire review, look at his suggestions!! He is actually suggesting a 5700 as a mid level system!
 
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Originally posted by: Markfw900
Well, my take on it is, since it is wide accepted (I think even most Intel fans agree) that the Athlon64 line is superior in games compared to a comparable P4, that when testing games, they should use the better gaming CPU. Or at least have two test systems. I could care less how a game play on a P4, as I currently down't own one. There could be quite a difference with the same video card on Intel vs AMD platforms. Any benches to support this ? I haven;t seen one yet, just the same video card on both CPU's and the AMD Athlon64 wins almost all the time with comparably rated CPU's.
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I can see your point about wanting to use the fastest processor... But I could definitely see the point about wanting to use the more popular cpu.

And nah... There isn't going to be a difference between video cards, based on which very high end cpu you use. I mean, the results that Tom showed, are really no different than anyone else's video card conclusions.
 
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Originally posted by: Bumrush99
For me it is a lot more about playing favorites. Why does Tomshardware IGNORE the TRUE mid-range cards for Doom 3 like the 9800 PRO and the 5950 and decide to test a 5700 vs a 9600 which will clearly be won by Nvidia. Its the selective nature of their reviews that almost aways point to bias. By no means do I prefer ATI over Nvidia or vice versa. I'm willing to bet that less than 5% of the people interested to see how Doom3 performs on their mid level cards have those cards, with a majority of them still running 9800's or 5900/5950's. Again, it is a trend on tomshardware, selectively running benches on hardware to make the companies that pay them off look better. Nvidia swept this round if you went through the entire review, look at his suggestions!! He is actually suggesting a 5700 as a mid level system!
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If you look at AnandTech's D3 videocard review, you'll see that the nVidia cards (5950 Ultra and 5900 Ultra) come out on top of the ATi cards (9800XT and 9800 PRO respectively). So, I don't really see your point.
 
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Bumrush99

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Originally posted by: Wingznut
Originally posted by: Markfw900
Well, my take on it is, since it is wide accepted (I think even most Intel fans agree) that the Athlon64 line is superior in games compared to a comparable P4, that when testing games, they should use the better gaming CPU. Or at least have two test systems. I could care less how a game play on a P4, as I currently down't own one. There could be quite a difference with the same video card on Intel vs AMD platforms. Any benches to support this ? I haven;t seen one yet, just the same video card on both CPU's and the AMD Athlon64 wins almost all the time with comparably rated CPU's.
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I can see your point about wanting to use the fastest processor... But I could definitely see the point about wanting to use the more popular cpu.

And nah... There isn't going to be a difference between video cards, based on which very high end cpu you use. I mean, the results that Tom showed, are really no different than anyone else's video card conclusions.
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Really.... Have you seen any of Anands recent articles??? :)

Anandtech CPU Battlegrounds article
 
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Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Originally posted by: Wingznut
Originally posted by: Markfw900
Well, my take on it is, since it is wide accepted (I think even most Intel fans agree) that the Athlon64 line is superior in games compared to a comparable P4, that when testing games, they should use the better gaming CPU. Or at least have two test systems. I could care less how a game play on a P4, as I currently down't own one. There could be quite a difference with the same video card on Intel vs AMD platforms. Any benches to support this ? I haven;t seen one yet, just the same video card on both CPU's and the AMD Athlon64 wins almost all the time with comparably rated CPU's.
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I can see your point about wanting to use the fastest processor... But I could definitely see the point about wanting to use the more popular cpu.

And nah... There isn't going to be a difference between video cards, based on which very high end cpu you use. I mean, the results that Tom showed, are really no different than anyone else's video card conclusions.
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Really.... Have you seen any of Anands recent articles??? :)

Anandtech CPU Battlegrounds article
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I was talking about videocard comparisons. Tom's shows the nVidia's ahead, as does AnandTech. The choice of cpu is irrelevant when determining which videocard is faster.
 
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