Why Does the World Hate Israel?

kermalou

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Why Does the World Hate Israel?
Written by Herbert London
Sunday, July 18, 2004

Israel is a tiny nation, roughly half the size of Lake Michigan. Its population is roughly half the size of the New York metropolitan area. Despite being a Jewish state, more than twenty percent of its residents are Arab, and most Jews in Israel describe themselves as secular rather than religious.

Yet if one were to read world press accounts or daily condemnations from the United Nations or the recent decision of the ICJ criticizing the construction of the fence, you might conclude that Israel is a world power intent on destabilizing Middle East affairs.

Why, it might well be postulated, does the world resent this speck of land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean?

Although my comments are speculative, I suspect they could be borne out empirically if historical accounts were fair and objective.

Israel is a thorn in the side of the Arab world because it is a remarkable technological phantasmagoria. Almost every Israeli is engaged in a software scheme. The Jews in this arid nation have made the deserts bloom; they have converted brain power into technical marvels and consequent wealth.

By contrast all nearby Arab nations are dysfunctional. Their governments are tyrannical; the people are poor and uneducated and local officials have been unwilling to convert oil revenue into social benefits.

Resentment is the natural result of this contrast. After all, Israel has all of the geographic disadvantages of its neighbors and it doesn't have any oil fields. Yet it prospers, while others falter.

Second, it should be hastily noted that Israel is a proxy for anti-American sentiment. The misguided belief that the U.S. is an imperial power eager to put its stamp on the Middle East is demonstrated by the aid and support given to Israel. Rarely, is it noted by United States detractors that American assistance to Egypt is equal to aid for Israel. Moreover, American involvement in Iraq was neither precipitated by Israel (Does the tail wag the dog?) nor has this engagement influenced Israel?s relations with her neighbors in any new directions.

Third, the Palestinian question has awakened emotions on the European left and in many Arab states. Yet, remarkably, the critique of Israel is generally quite banal. Arafat, as putative Palestinian leader, was granted 97 percent of the West Bank and some control over holy sites in the negotiation at Wye Plantation. Yet he turned down these generous Israeli terms.

In fact, there aren?t any terms that serve the ambitions of Arabs eager to destroy the state of Israel, unless, of course, national suicide is a reasonable negotiating point.

Fourth, the fence has the metaphorical power of the Berlin Wall. It is used for propaganda purposes to argue that Israel is intent on ''taking Arab land'' and isolating itself from Palestinians.

What should be noted is that the Berlin Wall was created to keep East Germans bound to the chains of communism, while the Israeli fence is designed to prevent suicide bombers from continuing wreaking bloodshed among Israelis.

Intifada II has resulted in at least a thousand dead Israeli citizens since 2000 and others maimed as well. It is encumbent on any leader of any nation to offer his people a modicum of security against those bent on bloodshed. If the fence reduces threats and increases security, Prime Minister Sharon should embrace it. His duty to protect his own people transcends any obligation imposed on him from multilateral organizations.

Fifth, the Palestinians have made their case to the international court of public opinion more effectively than the Israeli government. They have positioned themselves as underdogs against a mighty military force from tiny Israel. They have persuaded many of their supporters that the land Israel acquired after the ?67 war is ''occupied'' rather than ''disputed'' territory. Hence, their sanguinic tactics are ignored by opinion markers normally opposed to terrorist activity.

Sixth, the Palestinians manage their news media. There isn?t an opposition voice in the Palestinian territory and if an unpredictable comment is made, it is often squelched with force. Reporters Without Borders has reported numerous occasions where journalists were beaten when they challenged Hamas or Hezbollah positions in print.

Israel, as an open and free society, entertains every point of view, including anti-Israel arguments. As a consequence, criticism of Israel is widespread and criticism of Palestinian activity muted.

Seventh, the United Nations is now systematically organized to criticize the United States and Israel. It is instructive that in a statement emanating from the Secretariat?s office condemning the construction of the fence, not a word was mentioned about suicide bombers who precipitated the construction.

As I see it, there is very little that can be done at the moment to change international opinion. Israel has an obligation to its own people to remain resolute against usually unfair and hateful allegations. For the Middle East this is the Dark Ages. But if the Arab world wishes to enter the 21st Century--a far from clear conclusion--it will have to adopt and perhaps emulate much of Israeli life. On that slim reed, hope shall continue to exist.

About the Writer: Herbert London is president of the Hudson Institute and John M. Olin Professor of Humanities, and author of the recently published book "Decade of Denial," from Lexington Books. He can be reached through http://www.benadorassociates.com.
 

halik

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i dont think anyone really hates israel per se,
its more of the sleaze tactics of "we bombed this terrorist houseover there and accidentally took 50 civilians with it, but the palestinians are the terrorists" attitudIn fact, there aren?t any terms that serve the ambitions of Arabs eager to destroy the state of Israel, unless, of course, national suicide is ae. It's this innocent image they are trying to portrait that people have come to hate. You can't say you are merely trying to defend yourself while killing palestinian civilians on separate accidents.

I personally dont care for either side, they've been living in a world of hate for the past 40 years and i really dont see the end of it anytime soon.

UN has about 40 outstanding resolutions against israel over the past couple decates, so point #7 is hearsay at best...
 

kermalou

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Originally posted by: halik
i dont think anyone really hates israel per se,
its more of the sleaze tactics of "we bombed this terrorist houseover there and accidentally took 50 civilians with it, but the palestinians are the terrorists" attitudIn fact, there aren?t any terms that serve the ambitions of Arabs eager to destroy the state of Israel, unless, of course, national suicide is ae. It's this innocent image they are trying to portrait that people have come to hate. You can't say you are merely trying to defend yourself while killing palestinian civilians on separate accidents.

I personally dont care for either side, they've been living in a world of hate for the past 40 years and i really dont see the end of it anytime soon.

UN has about 40 outstanding resolutions against israel over the past couple decates, so point #7 is hearsay at best...

the UN, hah, the UN isn't anything but a front for the Arabs at the moment. (iraq isn't considered an arab state).

notice that the UN recognizes holidays and is closed on the important religious events for every religion except for Judaism. to me that is all that I have to know about the UN.
 

kylebisme

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the un is "a front" for much of the polulation of this world. as for the holiday thing, care to try and back up that claim?
 

busmaster11

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I don't hate Isreal. I just believe that they and the US are both headed by arrogant warmongers; and that the influence the Jewish have in this country does not reflect their population size as a percentage. They are too powerful in DC.
 

Witling

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Kermalou: On what basis are you saying that "iraq isn't considered an arab state." A source please. Otherwise all of us fools with think you confused Iran, which is not an Arab state, with Iraq, which is an Arab state except for the Kurds.
 

tallest1

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The first point is quite frankly gibberish. It sits on the same naivity as "Al Queda hates the US because of their freedoms". Its never that simple.

Second point: The first sentence is correct but he goes off on a tangent. Israel is a proxy for Anti-american sentiment but that is because no matter on which side of the wall blood is shed, US treats Israel as if it could do no wrong. Sharon takes actions that our country would never dream of doing, even if we were under attack, at yet we allow it and give them a slap on the wrist at best

Third point: I can't comment on the first paragraphy because I'm unfamiliar with that event. As for the suicide bombings, I am by no means justifying their actions but if your economy and weaponry is no where near that of your opponent, you'd be surprised what desperate people would do to make an impact.
 

tallest1

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Fourth point: A wall does not solve a problem. Didn't then, won't now. While building a wall around the problem might bring comfort, if the hostile interactions between the two sides continue no wall is going to be able to contain the hate they have for each other.

Fifth point: I don't know what he implying with that message....

Sixth point: The author is tooting his own horn at this point. No need to comment on that

Seventh point: All this anti-UN sentiment among the right is pissing me off. Israel has UN violations. US gave them the cold shoulder. They're all pissed because the UN wasn't dumb enough to fall for their "we're acting in agressive self-defense. Pity us and do as we say" line.
 

piasabird

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I think there are plenty of muslim people that still do not consider Isreal to be a valid country and want nothing more than to see every isreali dead. This is the sole purpose of the suicide bombers and those behind it.

Iraq, Syia, Jordan, Egypt, and other countries were all perched almost ready to wipe Isreal out but they struck first and took some of their neighbors land. So we are still at a standstill today, because Arabs choose to kill and murder instead of discussing their differences in a peaceful manner.

The UN should set up a perimiter between the two and just build a giant wall and enforce a peace.
 

tallest1

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I give this article a 6 out of 10 for putting together a decent argument (though most of it un-backable and laden with opinion) and avoiding the "with us or against us" mantra

I'm sorry for doing multi-posts. My computer is still timing out if I type too much
 

sandorski

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Ridiculous. If Israel would accept that it does make mistakes and not hide behind a US veto all the time peoples opinions of Israel would be much higher. Not that Israel is hated, that's just a bunch of Victimhood claptrap that's used to Justify Its' own actions and once again ignore what Others truly think.
 
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What would exactly happen to Israel if the US did not exclusively back it in the UN?

I don't like the fact that the US backs up Israel unconditionally, but is anything significant going to happen if the UN says anything to Israel? We're not exactly talking about a 'weak' country here.
 

tallest1

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If they don't do what the UN says after a while, we can bomb em!

...... huh?.... that doesn't work?.... But Iraq..... no?.... okay, whatever



Edit: typo
 

lozina

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That damned UN always putting Israel down. If only we still had that international body which created Israel... then there would be peace in the Middle East!
 

Kibbo

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You seem to paint Israel as being a vulnerable nation.

In the region, it is the preeminent military power. It receives military support from the U.S., which last I checked was a pretty powerful nation in its own right. It also has economic resources in the form of a well-educated population, which is a result of the original Jewish immigrants being educated in the West.
 

Spencer278

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Originally posted by: Kibbo
You seem to paint Israel as being a vulnerable nation.

In the region, it is the preeminent military power. It receives military support from the U.S., which last I checked was a pretty powerful nation in its own right. It also has economic resources in the form of a well-educated population, which is a result of the original Jewish immigrants being educated in the West.

Are you sure that economic resources isn't really the 200 or so billion in aid we give isreal?
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: kermalou
Originally posted by: halik
i dont think anyone really hates israel per se,
its more of the sleaze tactics of "we bombed this terrorist houseover there and accidentally took 50 civilians with it, but the palestinians are the terrorists" attitudIn fact, there aren?t any terms that serve the ambitions of Arabs eager to destroy the state of Israel, unless, of course, national suicide is ae. It's this innocent image they are trying to portrait that people have come to hate. You can't say you are merely trying to defend yourself while killing palestinian civilians on separate accidents.

I personally dont care for either side, they've been living in a world of hate for the past 40 years and i really dont see the end of it anytime soon.

UN has about 40 outstanding resolutions against israel over the past couple decates, so point #7 is hearsay at best...

the UN, hah, the UN isn't anything but a front for the Arabs at the moment. (iraq isn't considered an arab state).

notice that the UN recognizes holidays and is closed on the important religious events for every religion except for Judaism. to me that is all that I have to know about the UN.

I sincerly hope that was meant to be sarcastic.

At this point there are so many vetoed condemnations of Israels actions that it isn't even funny, and the US will veto ANY and ALL resolutions that so much as critizises Israel, always have and always will.

Of course, if any one nation DARES to veto US's resolutions, they are of course anti semitic terrorists. and against freedom and democracy.

The world court found the wall that Israel is building (funny how these things repeat themselves, i am sure our grandchildren will tear the wall down and cheer just like they did in my country) on Palestinian land and of course they immediately labeled ALL of europe anti-semitic.

These idiots (for lack of a worse word) are hellbent on keeping the war going, and will do so until the US gives up their support and says ENOUGH, that will never happen though.

It's not like they are dirty arabs or something.
 
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Originally posted by: Spencer278
Originally posted by: Kibbo
You seem to paint Israel as being a vulnerable nation.

In the region, it is the preeminent military power. It receives military support from the U.S., which last I checked was a pretty powerful nation in its own right. It also has economic resources in the form of a well-educated population, which is a result of the original Jewish immigrants being educated in the West.

Are you sure that economic resources isn't really the 200 or so billion in aid we give isreal?

$200 billion, huh?
 

cquark

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Originally posted by: Spencer278
Originally posted by: Kibbo
You seem to paint Israel as being a vulnerable nation.

In the region, it is the preeminent military power. It receives military support from the U.S., which last I checked was a pretty powerful nation in its own right. It also has economic resources in the form of a well-educated population, which is a result of the original Jewish immigrants being educated in the West.

Are you sure that economic resources isn't really the 200 or so billion in aid we give isreal?

Um, the US has only given Israel a bit less than half that since the formation of the state.

However, with or without the US, Israel is in a class by itself militarily in the Middle East, as it's the only Middle Eastern nuclear power and one of the largest nuclear powers in the world with 100-200+ nuclear weapons.
 

Spencer278

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Originally posted by: cquark
Originally posted by: Spencer278
Originally posted by: Kibbo
You seem to paint Israel as being a vulnerable nation.

In the region, it is the preeminent military power. It receives military support from the U.S., which last I checked was a pretty powerful nation in its own right. It also has economic resources in the form of a well-educated population, which is a result of the original Jewish immigrants being educated in the West.

Are you sure that economic resources isn't really the 200 or so billion in aid we give isreal?

Um, the US has only given Israel a bit less than half that since the formation of the state.

However, with or without the US, Israel is in a class by itself militarily in the Middle East, as it's the only Middle Eastern nuclear power and one of the largest nuclear powers in the world with 100-200+ nuclear weapons.


Isreal wouldn't have anything if it wasn't for US support. How much you want to bet the US gave isreal the nuclear weapons or the information to build the bomb. You think any company would invest in Isreal if the US didn't pledge to defend and give crap loads of money to isreal?
 

cquark

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Originally posted by: Spencer278
Isreal wouldn't have anything if it wasn't for US support. How much you want to bet the US gave isreal the nuclear weapons or the information to build the bomb.

While you're right that the US is Israel's modern patron, I'd be happy to bet against you, since it was France who was the main foreign helper for Israel's nuclear development in the 1950's.
 

Trente

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Originally posted by: tallest1
Sharon takes actions that our country would never dream of doing, even if we were under attack, at yet we allow it and give them a slap on the wrist at best

hahaha, on the contrary, my friend. If it was the US instead of Israel, I can not imagine what it would do to protect Americans against daily suicide bombings...
 

f95toli

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First of all: I don't "hate" any nation.
However, I DO dislike the current Israeli government but that is because of their policy.
Sharion&Co are using the "the world hates Israel"-card every time someone critizies their decisions and it has reached a point where it is just silly. There are many goverments I don' t like, that does not mean I hate the nations.

This whole "hate" debate is simply stupid and frankly I am surprised anyone takes it seriously.