Why does the US have such extreme politics?

ShawnD1

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It always seems strange that the two opposing sides hate each other soooooo much. Like it gets to the point where one side basically accuses the other side of being terrorists.

Bush hates America!! He's trying to <something> and kill all of us just like Hitler did! Tappin mah phones! We need to kill him right away before the new world order takes over!

Obama hates America! He's trying to <somethin> and make death panels just like Hitler did! We need to kill him right awaaaay!!!1

Does any other first world nation work like this? I don't think I've seen a British politician say something to the effect that another politician hates Britain and they are actively trying to destroy it. Haven't seen that in Canada either. I've seen a lot of rants by angry Australians about how bad movies and games are censored, but I don't think I've seen anyone accuse the politicians of being part of some global illuminati conspiracy relating to a new world order or anything like that.

So what's up, America? Why you gotta be so extreme like dat?
 

mizzou

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well, we used to beat each other up with canes back in the day, then we couldn't agree on whether or not black people are property or not so we ended up culling nearly every man in the country just to prove a point.

I would say today's "divisive" politics are pretty tame.

The house of commons in Britain is much worse, they are sarcastic and try to one up you with a joke about how dirty your $&#37;@! is or how much they like to do your mother
 

ShawnD1

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I love the way British parliament works. In the US, the president is separate from the house (I think). He just kinda hides away in his corner and doesn't get yelled at. In British style parliament, the leader of the country is basically a regular member of the house. People direct insults right at him and he responds to them!

This is what British politics looks like. The leaders of the conservative and liberal parties are literally yelling at each other. This video is not fake, not dubbed, nothing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsAa9VmwOaI
 

Jaskalas

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It always seems strange that the two opposing sides hate each other soooooo much. Like it gets to the point where one side basically accuses the other side of being terrorists.

In the wake of one side going after terrorists and the other working feverishly to prevent this.... I can see where that claim originates. Of course neither side is effective at it.

As to our bloody civil divide. That occurs when you've two poles on which to polarize. We need more than two viable parties.
 
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jackace

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In the wake of one side going after terrorists and the other working feverishly to prevent this.... I can see where that claim originates. Of course neither side is effective at it.

As to our bloody civil divide. That occurs when you've two poles on which to polarize. We need more than two viable parties.

I too would like to see a strong viable 3rd party. My hope is this would require all the parties to work together and not just polarize every issue.
 

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It always seems strange that the two opposing sides hate each other soooooo much. Like it gets to the point where one side basically accuses the other side of being terrorists.

Bush hates America!! He's trying to <something> and kill all of us just like Hitler did! Tappin mah phones! We need to kill him right away before the new world order takes over!

Obama hates America! He's trying to <somethin> and make death panels just like Hitler did! We need to kill him right awaaaay!!!1

Does any other first world nation work like this? I don't think I've seen a British politician say something to the effect that another politician hates Britain and they are actively trying to destroy it. Haven't seen that in Canada either. I've seen a lot of rants by angry Australians about how bad movies and games are censored, but I don't think I've seen anyone accuse the politicians of being part of some global illuminati conspiracy relating to a new world order or anything like that.

So what's up, America? Why you gotta be so extreme like dat?
Bush and Obama are the same. Notice Bush tried to continue the road to single payer with Medicare Part D. Notice they're both extreme pro-war militarists.

The reason they run against each other is so that Dr. Paul won't have a chance.
 

khon

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It's basic human nature.

If you divide people into two camps, it will always become a case of us vs them, and the hatred will grow.

The reason many other nations aren't as polarised is simply that they have more political parties, and thus no clear opponents to focus hatred upon.
 

peonyu

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Our Politics appear extreme since everything is over sensationalized by the media...But really the viewpoints from each party are similar to each other. And the end results from either party never seems to be surprising. Illegal immigration for example ? Both parties want amnesty, they just word it differently. But amnesty is still amnesty. There are plenty of other areas where the parties act like they disagree, but when it comes time to vote both parties will vote a resounding yes or a resounding no on issues that at first glance, looked like they were bitterly divided on. In extreme politics, that should be a rarity.

But Im cynical of our Political system anyways so I am biased. I think we need a strong third party since imo both parties are corrupt to the bone with payouts from "Lobbyists". It seems that as far as the parties go and they're views...they are dictated entirely by how many votes they think they can get.


Now if you want to see truely extreme Politics, Europe has it in some countries. Its not exactly the "good" kind of extreme though. The far right in Europe truely means the far right. Those parties tend to be nationalist and want to remove all non-European recent immigrants from they're nations [trying to stop legal immigration would be unheard of here in America]. The far left on the other hand, want to let anyone move to Europe, in any amount of numbers and from anywhere in the world. That is EXTREME polar opposites of politics.

What we have in America is a solid middle ground, where the far right is really just slightly off center and leans right [a tiny bit]. While the far left is way off center and leans all the way left [so in general we are ruled entirely by the left].

If we had true extremes, with say the Repubs = Far right and the Dems = Far left...On Illegal immigration which is a HOT topic, one of the parties would take a solid NO to amnesty stance. That hasnt happened. Both want amnesty and both claim that trying to deport illegals is impossible...So there is some proof of our excessive leftist leanings in American politics. But there are alot more examples than that around.

Bill O'reilly in the more extreme poltical European nations, would be seen as a lefty for sure btw. Yet he is considered by many to be a "crazy" right winger here.
 
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Craig234

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Rich companies are affected by government of the world's richest country, the US, and large amounts are spent to sell the voters on ideology to keep them from voting 'wrong'.

The people of the US are targeted by much more marketing than any other country as far as I know (each American probably sure they aren't influenced by it).

A reason why some Congressmen tend to be polarized is Gerrymandering - packing one party's voters into as few districts as possible.

This is how blacks got into office long ago, IIRC, by being packed into few districts to limit their representation, but those heavily black districts elected black politicians.

I think the media formula plays a role. Some people are less interested in politics; those who are interested and watch shows, tend to have views and prefer stronger shows to more 'neutral' shows. The shows want to draw viewers, and that means stirring up their emotions to make them want to watch, and that can mean hyping the news, demonizing a 'bad guy' and so on.

Bond villains are evil people who want to take over the world to attract viewers, and commentary shows can benefit from the same thing with their opponents.

'In today's news, the other side made several points, some of which we agree with and some that weren't quite right' doesn't excite people like 'palling around with terrorists'.

Also, the media wants to build its audience - and that is helped by getting people to be dedicated to views that fit their programming.

Some of the shows are better than others at things like having legitimate 'outrages' to complain about and accuracy, while others are manipulating and misleading IMO.

The ongoing decline of the middle class is going to increase people's emotions too, as they look to blame and express anger at feeling the government is not representing them.
 

Onceler

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It has been in the past that Repubs have a tendency to kiss the butt of leftists to show how bipartisan they are. I hope that they have finally learned that this gets them nowhere.
 
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drebo

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They're actually not so different, really:

The National Republican party wants to drive the nation into the ground in a mad power grab the same as the Democratic National Party does.

The only difference is that the Republicans don't lie about their motives.
 

ShawnD1

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They're actually not so different, really:

The National Republican party wants to drive the nation into the ground in a mad power grab the same as the Democratic National Party does.

The only difference is that the Republicans don't lie about their motives.

Pretty much this. The republicans straight up say they favor business and don't give a shit if it stomps on the little guy. The democrats say they support the little guy then stomp on him while they say this.
 

Chaotic42

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Probably the media. Rage is a big market and the only way to keep people listening, watching, and talking is to make everything sound more and more extreme.

Everything seems to be getting more and more "extreme" in the US.
 

sandorski

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I blame the Cold War. The US spent 30+ years spewing propaganda about it and when it ended it couldn't stop. So the propaganda machine just turned inwards. It's a classic case of failing to beat swords into plowshares.
 
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It is mass psychology. Nothing more...

You need votes, you use mass psychology.
That is what you do, you manipulate the media. When the commercials are to extreme , you invoke your right of freedom of speech.
The US politicians has gone so far that it is no longer about the political issues but about mistakes people made 20 years ago. An Example is Clinton and Bush.
Not about the politics, but about smoking joints and leaving military a bit too early. And the people dwell in it. For the rest of the world, the US is really one big soap. Only Bollywood (Bombai hollywood) may do it better with a dancing Cheney and a dancing Rice...
 

CPA

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Our Politics appear extreme since everything is over sensationalized by the media...But really the viewpoints from each party are similar to each other. And the end results from either party never seems to be surprising. Illegal immigration for example ? Both parties want amnesty, they just word it differently. But amnesty is still amnesty. There are plenty of other areas where the parties act like they disagree, but when it comes time to vote both parties will vote a resounding yes or a resounding no on issues that at first glance, looked like they were bitterly divided on. In extreme politics, that should be a rarity.

But Im cynical of our Political system anyways so I am biased. I think we need a strong third party since imo both parties are corrupt to the bone with payouts from "Lobbyists". It seems that as far as the parties go and they're views...they are dictated entirely by how many votes they think they can get.


Now if you want to see truely extreme Politics, Europe has it in some countries. Its not exactly the "good" kind of extreme though. The far right in Europe truely means the far right. Those parties tend to be nationalist and want to remove all non-European recent immigrants from they're nations [trying to stop legal immigration would be unheard of here in America]. The far left on the other hand, want to let anyone move to Europe, in any amount of numbers and from anywhere in the world. That is EXTREME polar opposites of politics.

What we have in America is a solid middle ground, where the far right is really just slightly off center and leans right [a tiny bit]. While the far left is way off center and leans all the way left [so in general we are ruled entirely by the left].

If we had true extremes, with say the Repubs = Far right and the Dems = Far left...On Illegal immigration which is a HOT topic, one of the parties would take a solid NO to amnesty stance. That hasnt happened. Both want amnesty and both claim that trying to deport illegals is impossible...So there is some proof of our excessive leftist leanings in American politics. But there are alot more examples than that around.

Bill O'reilly in the more extreme poltical European nations, would be seen as a lefty for sure btw. Yet he is considered by many to be a "crazy" right winger here.

Good post, but I'll one up it, check out some of the politics in African countries, where they will send out militia parties to KILL, RAPE and PILLAGE members of other parties. Now, most of the time the African parties are drawn down religious lines as well. In America, we have Christians on both sides of the line.
 
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Our Politics appear extreme since everything is over sensationalized by the media...But really the viewpoints from each party are similar to each other. And the end results from either party never seems to be surprising. Illegal immigration for example ? Both parties want amnesty, they just word it differently. But amnesty is still amnesty. There are plenty of other areas where the parties act like they disagree, but when it comes time to vote both parties will vote a resounding yes or a resounding no on issues that at first glance, looked like they were bitterly divided on. In extreme politics, that should be a rarity.

But Im cynical of our Political system anyways so I am biased. I think we need a strong third party since imo both parties are corrupt to the bone with payouts from "Lobbyists". It seems that as far as the parties go and they're views...they are dictated entirely by how many votes they think they can get.


Now if you want to see truely extreme Politics, Europe has it in some countries. Its not exactly the "good" kind of extreme though. The far right in Europe truely means the far right. Those parties tend to be nationalist and want to remove all non-European recent immigrants from they're nations [trying to stop legal immigration would be unheard of here in America]. The far left on the other hand, want to let anyone move to Europe, in any amount of numbers and from anywhere in the world. That is EXTREME polar opposites of politics.

What we have in America is a solid middle ground, where the far right is really just slightly off center and leans right [a tiny bit]. While the far left is way off center and leans all the way left [so in general we are ruled entirely by the left].

If we had true extremes, with say the Repubs = Far right and the Dems = Far left...On Illegal immigration which is a HOT topic, one of the parties would take a solid NO to amnesty stance. That hasnt happened. Both want amnesty and both claim that trying to deport illegals is impossible...So there is some proof of our excessive leftist leanings in American politics. But there are alot more examples than that around.

Bill O'reilly in the more extreme poltical European nations, would be seen as a lefty for sure btw. Yet he is considered by many to be a "crazy" right winger here.

Bill O'Reilly is seen as a nut case in Europe. I can promise you that.

But what you call a bit right leaning to the right, that is actually the stance of the people in the mid to north Europe. Afcourse the extreme left people , we have them here too. But most are solid middle ground. There really is not that much difference as you people are taught to believe. In the EU the people do not hate the US. There are just some aspects we dislike.

Afcourse some people express their concerns about problems which are the results of failing politics. Because the extreme left indeed will cry foul every time a plan is called for to educate an immigrant, the moderate left agree along with the neutral and the moderate right that adjusting is necessary and not an evil.
In Europe, people are allowed to form political parties to some extent. That is the price of democracy. As an example, islamitic parties also rise up in the Netherlands. But as it turns out, most second generation and third generation children of immigrants with an islamitic background still choose for dutch parties. Because they very well realize that the good life they have is not because of some fundamental religious idiot, no it is because of the moderate democratic western view. You can believe in anyone you like, as long as you do not force it upon people. And the educated muslims know that in the past the best islamitic periods where the periods where people with various religious background lived in peace with each other. Afcourse there is some bias in favour of the islam in those cities in the past but what happened in those cities is the same as everywhere else. Progress. And progress can only happen if you live in peace with each other. The same thing is now happening in the Netherlands. The people with an islamitic belief starting to realize that the only reason why Geert Wilder could rise to power in the first place is because of the fears of the dutch people. The fears of the dutch people are based on violent crimes against Jews, against non islamitic people, harassment, sexual harassment, a lack of respect for people who are not islamitic. The islamitic people are starting to see that the dutch and for example the Belgians do not hate immigrants themselves, they hate the behaviour of these immigrants. And when the dutch people say anything about it before Geert Wilders, the dutch or the belgian are called nazi's...
Now, the children of the immigrants and the immigrants themselves realize that life means accepting one and other.

It is a cultural clash. And a cultural clash can only be solved when the immigrants accept that the lifestyle of the accepting country is better then the lifestyle they had. Why would they have come to that country in the first place ? Right.. When people realize this , the biggest step is taken. Then the adjustment comes...


When thinking of my other post, i mentioned Cheney and Rice but it could as well have been Clinton and Lewinsky. Which really made a dent in the impression many people have of the US. However, more balanced thinking people as i myself also am, know that these kinds of affairs happen often in high society circles. As such we are more surprised by the enormous amount of US media time for the affair, while there are a lot more important things in the world.

I do not understand why Obama farting in public is more news then solving an political issue.
 
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ProfJohn

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It is because of the power that our government possesses.

Look at elections for minor local offices. Notice that no one really pays attention to these types of elections? Why? Because they have very little power to influence our lives.

But on the national level the people in Washington have WAY too much power.
The Federal government directly controls 20&#37; of our GDP. And through the power to tax and regulate they probably control another 10%. Add in the state and local governments and their spending and you see that government controls nearly half of our countries national output in one form or another.

When you give the government the ability to control the lives of others to that degree of course it is going to get nasty when it comes to exercising that power.
 

Carmen813

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Because we are, for the most part, uneducated in general. Most people know nothing of civics. Hell, half our population is too lazy to bother voting. We want entertainment, not substance. We have the politics, and politicians, that we deserve.