Why does the media hate Donald Trump so much?

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Blackjack200

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What should we do, genius? Spend more money on war and go further into debt? Why waste money on the ME? You think peace is possible?

His view on the Syrian refugee crisis as a consequence of Obama "not taking ISIS seriously" is a joke. ISIS didn't cause the refugee crisis, three years of civil war did that. And believe it or not, the United States cannot simply intervene wherever it doesn't like what's happening. American foreign policy in the Middle East has been a disaster, the less of it, the better.

Oh, and he supports Trump, who has absolutely no clue what is even going on over there.
 

Gryz

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Saudis wanted Assad gone. Because of a future natural gas pipeline to Europe via Syria. And because Assad is a Shiite (Alawite to be precise). And the Saudis are Sunnis. Almost all conflicts in the ME can be explained by looking at who is Sunni and who is Shiite. The Saudis and Quatar were the instigators of all this.

Saudis dictate the US's foreign policies in the ME. (Together with Israel). If the Saudis support, and in fact, start and fund rebels in Syria, then the US automatically supports those rebels. And when the US does something, the EU automatically supports the same side too.

Blame is with Bush for starting the instability in the ME, for no real good reason. (Except that his Saudi friends wanted Saddam gone). Obama can be blamed for picking the wrong side in the Syrian war. The EU can be blamed the same thing.

The weird thing is: it seems the Russians supported the right side in the civil war from the start. I'm sure it has little to do with their feel for justice. And only with geo-political strategies and old alliances. But if we had all listened to the Russians in 2011, Syria would not have had such a devastating civil war, less people would have died, there would have been a lot less refugees, and stability might have been restored by now.

But no. Russians say A. So we fucktards need to say "the opposite of A". Brilliant politics from the west.
 

bradly1101

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We like to imagine ourselves as being able to knock the big guys down. "Journalism" has the enviable ability to do just that. And if there's buffoonery at foot then we get to laugh the whole way down.
 

WHAMPOM

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I watched the CNN republican debate on Wednesday and it went like this:

Moderator: "Mr. Bush, do you agree that Donald Trump is a madman?"
Bush: "I hope the voters wake up before the election"

Moderator: "Mrs. Fiorina, do you agree that Donald Trump is a big baby who can't be trusted with the nukes?"
Fiorina: "That's up to the voters"

Moderator: "Hey Trump, Fuck You!"

Moderator: "Mr. Paul, do you agree that Donald Trump is a juvenile little child and a moron who is a disaster and shame to this country?"
Paul: "I am ashamed of the people who vote for this idiot and embarrass the US"

What's also strange is how despite all these attacks Trump just didn't give a fuck, it's like they flew right over him, this is strange cause everyone keeps saying how Trump has thin skin and can't take criticism, when if you see his Roasts on comedy shows and this debate he's actually got the thickest skin of any candidate.

You need to look up the workings of a Hate/Love Relationship.
 

Zor Prime

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Of course you'd think that, someone who posts such ill-informed and partisan input would probably love to pretend that West Virginia is some bastion of objective thought, when in reality it can't stand Obama based on his views of coal alone. I have family Berkley Springs and have spent a bit of time in the area, this "locale shit" you refer is just you being a dumbass. WV is a Democrat stronghold, but look what happened in 2012: weak, pathetic ass Mitt Romney gets 62% of the vote!

Take that butthurt and GTFO. If you can't even recognize the basics (or refuse to) about your damn state, then you have zero credibility telling others what the rest of the world thinks about Obama.

Clear enough? Thanks for playing.

LOL! Calm down. I don't know what I said to strike such a nerve in you but I promise I wasn't talking about your momma.

Keep on hiding behind the anonymity of the Internet and don't answer the question, coward.
 

Zor Prime

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We don't negotiate for hostages you dumb fuck. If you give anyone anything for hostages it just encourages them to take more hostages. Stop being a dumb partisan hack and use your fucking brain.

We shouldn't be doing a single thing at all with Iran until they release our guys in good faith to perhaps begin working with us but not until.

Some seriously weak stuff from our current administration. Very weak.

And we do cut deals. We cut deals for traitors that abandon their post.
 
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fskimospy

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We shouldn't be doing a single thing at all with Iran until they release our guys in good faith to perhaps begin working with us but not until.

Some seriously weak stuff from our current administration. Very weak.

And we do cut deals. We cut deals for traitors that abandon their post.

You're saying we should base our largest US foreign policy effort in a critical region on whether or not 3 people are in jail?

Thank god we have adults in charge of diplomacy and not people who believe such foolish nonsense.
 

runzwithsizorz

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Blame is with Bush for starting the instability in the ME, for no real good reason.
Fact Check:
1. Being attacked on 911 not a good reason? Maybe Roosevelt should have sat out WWII after Pearl Harbor.
2. Blame our and international intelligence communities for saying Saddam H. had WMD's and was working on a nuke.
3. Blame Islamic fanatics for fighting over religious doctrines (Shia/Sunni) for 1,000 plus years
4. Blame Bush and Obama for failure to reach a status of forces agreement and withdrawing our troops too quickly from Iraq
5. Blame Malaki for promoting sectarian rule (pro Shia)

The Middle East is a complex place, and I for one am tired of hearing "it's all Bush's fault"... and that's all I'm going to say, unless someone can show me where I got the facts are wrong. There are many other reasons as well, but IMO, those are the most salient ones.

The Wife
 

ivwshane

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Fact Check:
1. Being attacked on 911 not a good reason? Maybe Roosevelt should have sat out WWII after Pearl Harbor.
2. Blame our and international intelligence communities for saying Saddam H. had WMD's and was working on a nuke.
3. Blame Islamic fanatics for fighting over religious doctrines (Shia/Sunni) for 1,000 plus years
4. Blame Bush and Obama for failure to reach a status of forces agreement and withdrawing our troops too quickly from Iraq
5. Blame Malaki for promoting sectarian rule (pro Shia)

The Middle East is a complex place, and I for one am tired of hearing "it's all Bush's fault"... and that's all I'm going to say, unless someone can show me where I got the facts are wrong. There are many other reasons as well, but IMO, those are the most salient ones.

The Wife

I'm not sure you got anything right. Maybe one or two.
 

Spungo

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Saudis wanted Assad gone. Because of a future natural gas pipeline to Europe via Syria. And because Assad is a Shiite (Alawite to be precise). And the Saudis are Sunnis. Almost all conflicts in the ME can be explained by looking at who is Sunni and who is Shiite. The Saudis and Quatar were the instigators of all this.
Are you telling me politicians are bought and paid for by oil companies and oil producing allied nations? I'm shocked. I must travel back to 2002 and warn everyone!


But no. Russians say A. So we fucktards need to say "the opposite of A". Brilliant politics from the west.
I remember republicans being against Obama simply because many other people supported Obama, including terrorists (apparently).

Terrorists say: We attack America because America is constantly fucking with us, bombing us, overthrowing governments, assassinating people.
Obama says: Maybe we should try talking to terrorists and figure out why they hate us so much.
Republicans say: Oh my god, Obama actually wants to fix the terrorism problem! Fuck him!!


Being attacked on 911 not a good reason? Maybe Roosevelt should have sat out WWII after Pearl Harbor.
So you're saying we should have invaded Canada or some other country that didn't attack us? Please clarify what you mean by this.

Blame our and international intelligence communities for saying Saddam H. had WMD's and was working on a nuke.
But this was never the case. The "intelligence" was gathered by torturing people. It has been known for thousands of years that torture is only useful for extracting false confessions. While tortured, a prisoner said Iraq was working on nukes. That's the false confession they were looking for, so they stopped torturing the guy. The Soviets were really bad for this kind of thing; they would torture people into confessing then have show trials to justify Stalin's extremely harsh regime.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Trials
This is why a lot of people compared Bush to Stalin and Hitler. The "we've always been at war with terror" meme is very 1984-esque. Constant references to "security" and "foreign invaders" were almost exact copies of things Hitler said, and this constant campaign of fear was used to justify the patriot act. Many people called it the "enabling enact" just to further associate it with things Hitler did.


The Middle East is a complex place, and I for one am tired of hearing "it's all Bush's fault"
People say that because it is Bush's fault. Saddam was an evil dictator, but he kept everything under control. Things like ISIS could not exist because Saddam would simply kill them. Now we're seeing the same thing with Obama/Kerry trying to screw with Assad in Syria. Assad is probably an evil guy, but he keeps things in check. He's fighting against groups like ISIS, just like Saddam was. Qaddafi was like that too. He was a bad guy, but Libya had a relatively high standard of living when he was in charge. With the dictator removed, countries quick break down into civil wars and extremist groups.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_vacuum
wiki said:
.... the political condition "when someone has lost control of something and no one has replaced them."[1] The situation can occur when a government has no identifiable central power or authority. The physical analogy suggests that in a power vacuum, other forces will tend to "rush in" to fill the vacuum as soon as it is created, perhaps in the form of an armed militia or insurgents, military coup, warlord or dictator.

Historical examples[edit]
Historic examples include the death of Alexander the Great,
Alexander died over 2000 years ago, so this isn't news to anyone.
 
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kage69

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LOL! Calm down. I don't know what I said to strike such a nerve in you but I promise I wasn't talking about your momma.

Oh please. Do you have any idea how common the likes of you are around here? Thankfully it takes a lot more than stupidity or weak butthurt retorts to get me riled, I prefer to leave that behavior to the immature trolls we have around here. The kind of posters who prove themselves idiots by repeating idiotic things, maybe even trying the 'your momma angle.' They don't really do much but squawk FOX and talk radio talking points, but at least they can get defensive and indignant over it.


Keep on hiding behind the anonymity of the Internet and don't answer the question, coward.


Whatever you have to tell yourself kid. Maybe you should edit your profile so your location isn't visible with every post? I like that you can't even get the dick out of your mouth long enough to support your previous posts, but I'm supposed to be the defensive one, also offended because someone like you calls me a coward? Yes, LOL indeed.

Talk is cheap. From your kind, practically worthless. Protip: save the tough guy routine for the 'in person' chats. It could save you a lot of discomfort, not to mention the e-thug ridicule. If you're offended by receiving criticism for posting bullshit, then tough shit and this forum isn't for you. Deal with it.
 

MongGrel

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Fact Check:
1. Being attacked on 911 not a good reason? Maybe Roosevelt should have sat out WWII after Pearl Harbor.
2. Blame our and international intelligence communities for saying Saddam H. had WMD's and was working on a nuke.
3. Blame Islamic fanatics for fighting over religious doctrines (Shia/Sunni) for 1,000 plus years
4. Blame Bush and Obama for failure to reach a status of forces agreement and withdrawing our troops too quickly from Iraq
5. Blame Malaki for promoting sectarian rule (pro Shia)

The Middle East is a complex place, and I for one am tired of hearing "it's all Bush's fault"... and that's all I'm going to say, unless someone can show me where I got the facts are wrong. There are many other reasons as well, but IMO, those are the most salient ones.

The Wife

1. What did Iraq have to do with 9/11 to begin with ?

2. Dubya wanted to be a war President and had a mandate to start one, and abused it for all it was worth from prompting from Cheney and Co, even when his father had told Cheney no to the idea during the first Gulf war in Kuwait.

3. Not much you can do about that, why Iraq should not have been invaded to begin with.

4. Obama did more or less finally, they never should have been there to begin with, even if troops are still there.

5. That one I really falls back to #3.
 
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kage69

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And we do cut deals. We cut deals for traitors that abandon their post.

Kind of a null point seeing as how we also aren't afraid make that type Commander in Chief. Typical banana republican; don't like him, so presume he's guilty. You guys support the troops, sure, just so long as it's politically convenient and those troops don't share differing political views.

You do seem to be an authority on weak shit though, I'll give you that.
 

runzwithsizorz

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What did Iraq have to do with 9/11 to begin with ?

1. I thought you said Middle East, not Iraq specifically.
2. So? Intelligence agencies still gave GW bad info on WMD's in Iraq. Also, Saddam was planning on re-starting WMD program later
3. Yes, Middle East, once again
4. We still have troops in Japan and Europe...why leave Iraq so quickly? Maybe for political reasons?
 

kage69

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I'm surprised this didn't get more traction after his 'Mexican rapists' comment awhile back.

I knew the guy is a little unhinged, has quite the temper, but no way did I think it might be this bad. Holy shit!

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...nald-trump-made-feel-violated-during-sex.html

"Ivana Trump’s assertion of “rape” came in a deposition—part of the early ’90s divorce case between the Trumps, and revealed in the 1993 book Lost Tycoon: The Many Lives of Donald J. Trump.

The book, by former Texas Monthly and Newsweek reporter Harry Hurt III, described a harrowing scene. After a painful scalp reduction surgery to remove a bald spot, Donald Trump confronted his then-wife, who had previously used the same plastic surgeon.

“Your fucking doctor has ruined me!” Trump cried.

What followed was a “violent assault,” according to Lost Tycoon. Donald held back Ivana’s arms and began to pull out fistfuls of hair from her scalp, as if to mirror the pain he felt from his own operation. He tore off her clothes and unzipped his pants.

“Then he jams his penis inside her for the first time in more than sixteen months. Ivana is terrified… It is a violent assault,” Hurt writes. “According to versions she repeats to some of her closest confidantes, ‘he raped me.’”


Following the incident, Ivana ran upstairs, hid behind a locked door, and remained there “crying for the rest of night.” When she returned to the master bedroom in the morning, he was there.

“As she looks in horror at the ripped-out hair scattered all over the bed, he glares at her and asks with menacing casualness: ‘Does it hurt?’” Hurt writes.



Not sure to classify this as jilted wife fiction, or just one more reason to despise the man. Given that's he's running for the highest office in the land I'd like to think behavior like that would be far beneath him, but then we are talking about the guy who decked his music teacher in the face as a kid because 'he didn't know anything about music,' and proudly maintains he hasn't changed since then. I want to think that story is false, but so far Trump has given me nothing to indicate that kind of explosive temper and violence is anything but the norm for him. Please, someone tell me this has story been shot down by a trustworthy 3rd party! (Ivana doesn't count, you can't refer to your own prior divorce hearing testimony as 'without merit.')
 
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Zor Prime

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Oh please. Do you have any idea how common the likes of you are around here? Thankfully it takes a lot more than stupidity or weak butthurt retorts to get me riled, I prefer to leave that behavior to the immature trolls we have around here. The kind of posters who prove themselves idiots by repeating idiotic things, maybe even trying the 'your momma angle.' They don't really do much but squawk FOX and talk radio talking points, but at least they can get defensive and indignant over it.

Whatever you have to tell yourself kid. Maybe you should edit your profile so your location isn't visible with every post? I like that you can't even get the dick out of your mouth long enough to support your previous posts, but I'm supposed to be the defensive one, also offended because someone like you calls me a coward? Yes, LOL indeed.

Talk is cheap. From your kind, practically worthless. Protip: save the tough guy routine for the 'in person' chats. It could save you a lot of discomfort, not to mention the e-thug ridicule. If you're offended by receiving criticism for posting bullshit, then tough shit and this forum isn't for you. Deal with it.

Dude, you're a master of presuming things. I'm not a Republican, I'm not even registered as one. The shit you're saying is beyond vile and audacious.

You have the nerve to presume, assume and spout hateful shit yet you associate me with being immature. Take a look at a mirror and see what you find.

You can't, won't, or are incapable of answering a simple question so now I really don't give a shit what you have to say, believe it or not, I truly don't care particularly when all you're gonna do is sit over there and hide and take childish pot-shots.

Obama is a joke and shames this great nation of ours for so many reasons and if you can't recognize that there's nothing I can do for you. Have a good day, I'm out of this since the only thing on the other end of this conversation is a little guy who is enamored with the idea he can say whatever gross thing he/she/(it?) feels like and not be held accountable. ;)
 

Blackjack200

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Not sure to classify this as jilted wife fiction, or just one more reason to despise the man.

When he calls Mexicans rapists, could it be nothing more than a simple case of projection? Nah... :hmm:

Oh wait, EMAIL SERVAARR!!!!!!!!!
 

ivwshane

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1. I thought you said Middle East, not Iraq specifically.

You do understand that removing saddam from power created a vacuum from which most of the current Middle East problems stem from, right? So I'll ask the question again, what did iraq have to do with 9/11? Because it seems like all the rest of the points become pretty irrelevant when bush and his admin can be directly linked and blamed for a needless war with Iraq (it's kind of funny how the two previous presidents were smart enough to use strategic bombing campaigns to acheive their goals and bush jr wasn't)

2. So? Intelligence agencies still gave GW bad info on WMD's in Iraq. Also, Saddam was planning on re-starting WMD program later

False. The intelligence agencies were lead by dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and friends and they purposely created a false narrative for the American people and the international community and possibly to bush (I haven't seen any evidence of bush being complicit in purposely lying to the American people. Sure he lied to the American people but it could have been because he believed what his advisors told him). Hell! Cheney and Co went as far as creating stories for newspapers to write about from which they would later cite as justification for their plans. After desert fox we had a pretty good idea of what saddam was capable of. We may not have had a good idea of what his stock piles looked like though.
Feel free to watch this and be sure to check out interviews and timelines:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/bushswar/


3. Yes, Middle East, once again
4. We still have troops in Japan and Europe...why leave Iraq so quickly? Maybe for political reasons?

Your thinking seems to be on the same level as jebs and his whole, "my brother kept America safe", sure he did if you ignore the largest attack on American soil since Pearl Harbor.

I'm sorry it upsets you that there is so much hate and blame for bush but who gives a fuck? Get over it;)
 

kage69

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When he calls Mexicans rapists, could it be nothing more than a simple case of projection? Nah... :hmm:

Oh wait, EMAIL SERVAARR!!!!!!!!!

I'd like to hear someone ask Trump to elaborate on his views regarding rich people and rape. If he still holds the opinion he did back when Mike Tyson was convicted, well holy shit. While I vaguely remember the Ivana stuff (I was a kid more interested in fishing and girls at the time) I had no idea about the Tyson thing. From that same article:

"Trump’s other public statements on rape cases range from tone-deaf to offensive. In 1992, he floated the idea that convicted rapist and boxer Mike Tyson should be allowed to pay “millions and millions” of dollars to rape victims instead of serving jail time. Trump’s modest proposal did not go over well.

“How offensive,” shot back Dollyne Pettingill, spokeswoman for the mayor of Indianapolis, where Tyson committed the assault. “We have a judicial process for these matters and it’s not for sale.”



Starting to think he sees women on the same level as Mexicans!
 

HomerJS

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Given how Trump is everywhere in the media, despite being light on policy info and heavy on racism and insults, I'm not sure how anyone can claim the media hates him. He makes bombastic statements that get ratings, and media outlets like high ratings. Pretty simple really.

A much better question: why does Trump's ignorance, apathy, racism, dishonesty and love of talking about himself make some people consider him presidential material?

Because he's running for the Republican nomination
 

santz

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as a democrat... its fun to watch him screw with all the other republicans and the big establishment of faux new that governs this