Why does the "it's natural" argument work for some drugs?

JohnCU

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People always say "hey, marijuana or shrooms or [insert your drug here] comes straight from the earth so it's okay for you."

So does posion ivy. and radon. and tons of other things that occur naturally that aren't good for you.

I'm not against marijuana use, I was just curious as to why people use this argument as it seems to be weak.
 

BrokenVisage

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I'm a smoker and have some stoner friends, not once have I used or heard that "arguement". However that's not to say there isn't some truth to it, but honestly someone who needs a use the "it's natural" card must've been backed down in a debate by some drug-free activist with some equally ridiculous stuff.
 

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Of course, we do hear it all the time, mainly with supplements; "All natural ingredients." Malaria is natural, as is rabies and plenty of poisons, like you mentioned.

The reason it works is because, simply, people are stupid. See my sig.
 

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Marijuanna is overdose-free in contrast to synthetic drugs. Some examples include, pain pills, barbituates, amphetemines, etc. In that case, natural is safer than unnatural. Obviously, though, there are plenty of dangerous natural things.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Of course, we do hear it all the time, mainly with supplements; "All natural ingredients." Malaria is natural, as is rabies and plenty of poisons, like you mentioned.

The reason it works is because, simply, people are stupid. See my sig.

skoorbie! :heart:
 

Babbles

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Yeah, I hear it all of the time and it is rather dumb.

Arsenic is natural, so maybe I can make some cash by selling 'naturally fortified arsenic water.' It builds character.
 

jfall

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I think it's mainly to compare to tobacco which has thousands of chemicals
 

thomsbrain

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i've heard plenty of people make that claim, and it is SO bogus, regardless of where you stand on drug usage.
 

tjaisv

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Originally posted by: JohnCU
People always say "hey, marijuana or shrooms or [insert your drug here] comes straight from the earth so it's okay for you."

So does posion ivy. and radon. and tons of other things that occur naturally that aren't good for you.

I'm not against marijuana use, I was just curious as to why people use this argument as it seems to be weak.

So what's not okay about natural drugs? I assume you're just referring to the physical effects, so please explain.
 

doze

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Just a BS excuse, although pot is basically the only legal or illegal drug that cant kill you b/c it takes way too much to OD
 

destrekor

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Originally posted by: doze
Just a BS excuse, although pot is basically the only legal or illegal drug that cant kill you b/c it takes way too much to OD

yea there might just be an OD amount, BUT I think every human has a limit to how much they can smoke before they get sick feeling from all the smoke inhalation. nausea is annoying after high smoke intake.

although the one half natural/half unnatural drug that is perfectly okay is LSD... proven to have no effects to the brain, but dangers of an individuals reaction to the drug is what can cause issue, since they can cause harm to themselves when not taken properly and in an environment not condusive to happy tripping. bad trips can cause people to kill themselves accidently, as has happened before. other than that, numerous indepth studies have shown no ill-effects. a good thing for those who like it. :)
edit: however, with most/all large-scale LSD manufacturers now run out of business, the market has recently in the past decade been filled with many dangerous chemicals claiming to be LSD or being mixed in with LSD, or simly individual hits that are MUCH less than when LSD was easily found. due to this, some chemicals mixed in MAY infact cause brain damage.
 

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Well MPPP, a synthetic heroin, could be a nice warning to avoid alternate versions of tried and true drugs. After just a few uses, users reported the exact same symptoms as advanced Parkinson's.
 

Mark R

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Originally posted by: tjaisv
So what's not okay about natural drugs? I assume you're just referring to the physical effects, so please explain.

Well, all drugs have side effects - natural or synthetic.

However, natural preparations are variable in potency, purity and their bioavailability. Whereas 'medicines' which are commercially prepared are formulated and precisely quality controlled to have identical levels of active ingredients, consistent high standards of purity and consistent bioavailability (how quickly and how effectively they get absorbed into the body).

In particular, there have been a number of reports of herbal remedies containing high levels of mercury, arseninc, pesticides and other concerning chemcials.

The concern many people have with supplements and 'herbal remedies' is that legally, these aren't classed as medicines - even though they may be potent drugs, this means that manufacturers are not legally obliged to record side effects, give accurate health warnings, or even make sure that the product is what it says it is.

As an example, I recently visited a health-food shop and had a look at some of the supplements:
I found several brands of echinacea - a herbal remedy claimed to help with the common cold, although this is not supported by evidence. None had any warnings about potential side effects or possible interactions; Echinacea is recognised as a trigger for serious asthma attacks, and is well known as a severe disrupter of metabolism which can cause serious problems with many prescription medications.
I also saw some herbal remedies for menopausal symptoms - red clover and some others. I couldn't find any decent warning on them other than not to take them during pregnancy or breastfeeding. Lol. However, there was no warning that they were a type of estrogen - and therefore that long term use may cause breast cancer, and that they must not be taken by anyone who has had breast cancer or cancer of the womb before.
 

sdifox

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Originally posted by: JohnCU
People always say "hey, marijuana or shrooms or [insert your drug here] comes straight from the earth so it's okay for you."

So does posion ivy. and radon. and tons of other things that occur naturally that aren't good for you.

I'm not against marijuana use, I was just curious as to why people use this argument as it seems to be weak.

Because the vitamin companies use the same claims :)
 

Mark R

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Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
Well MPPP, a synthetic heroin, could be a nice warning to avoid alternate versions of tried and true drugs. After just a few uses, users reported the exact same symptoms as advanced Parkinson's.

That's not because of the MPPP. It was a contaminant, MPTP, that was formed because they screwed up the manufacture.
 

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Smokey: Weed is from the earth. God put this here for me and you. Take advantage man, take advantage.
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
I'm a smoker and have some stoner friends, not once have I used or heard that "arguement". However that's not to say there isn't some truth to it, but honestly someone who needs a use the "it's natural" card must've been backed down in a debate by some drug-free activist with some equally ridiculous stuff.

I've seen cigarettes advertised as "natural" because they don't use additives.


"Natural" is something that will make people want to buy it. I don't know why, but it works, so marketers will use it.