Why does Romney want to overturn Obamacare when he enacted it as Gov of Mass in 2006?

[Jaskalas]

State vs Federal

and?

why the diff?

The difference between local authority whose representatives can more loudly hear your voice VS a distant and unrepresentative tyranny is the ENTIRE REASON we have a United States.

The Brits may have thought the same thing, why did we want to rule ourselves? Go figure.

 

[Jhhnn]

The difference between local authority whose representatives can more loudly hear your voice VS a distant and unrepresentative tyranny is the ENTIRE REASON we have a United States.

The Brits may have thought the same thing, why did we want to rule ourselves? Go figure.

Yeh- blacks in Mississippi were obviously better heard at the state level than at the federal, prior to the voting rights act... State leaders were obvioulsy very mindful of the opinions there in the back of the bus...

Nice riff on the usual right wing boogeyman, Tyranny!... even though the greatest tyrannies in this country have been invoked at the state & local level...

 

[Infohawk]

Because it was politically expedient. Just like when Obama wasn't for gay marriage.

 

[CaptainGoodnight]

Yeh- blacks in Mississippi were obviously better heard at the state level than at the federal, prior to the voting rights act... State leaders were obvioulsy very mindful of the opinions there in the back of the bus...

Nice riff on the usual right wing boogeyman, Tyranny!... even though the greatest tyrannies in this country have been invoked at the state & local level...

Or kinda like how it has been States rights that legalized gay marriage or protected marijuana users from the federal government.

 

[Jhhnn]

Or kinda like how it has been States rights that legalized gay marriage or protected marijuana users from the federal government.

31 states have constitutional amendments banning gay marriage & the Obama admin has declined to enforce DOMA. Only 17 allow MMJ. Dunno about elsewhere, but federal enforcement against MMJ is basically non-existent here in Colorado. There are half a dozen pot shops within a few blocks of each other on S Broadway here in Denver... and a lot more throughout the metro area. Anybody with $100 & a real or imagined medical condition can get a prescription. A run down industrial/ warehouse district near my workplace reeks of skunkweed at various times of the day.

It's not like the Feds are clueless, either.

 

[lopri]

State vs Federal

Glad I bookmarked the page.

http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20090730/column30_st.art.htm

Health care cannot be handled the same way as the stimulus and cap-and-trade bills. With those, the president stuck to the old style of lawmaking: He threw in every special favor imaginable, ground it up and crammed it through a partisan Democratic Congress. Health care is simply too important to the economy, to employment and to America's families to be larded up and rushed through on an artificial deadline. There's a better way. And the lessons we learned in Massachusetts could help Washington find it.

 

[JEDI]

Ultimately, it is a position he HAS to take if he wants to be elected. A large number of Republicans want the current healthcare act repealed. Romney already has the mormon thing riding against him, if he took a pro-healthcare act position, he would never get elected.

but it defies all logic.

Romney was the man behind Obamacare when he was Gov of his state in 2004.

Now he's against it???

talk about 180 degree about face

 

[BladeVenom]

The 10th Amendment, The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

but it defies all logic.

He doesn't need logic. He's an American politician.

A Republican American politician.

 

[nageov3t]

Glad I bookmarked the page.

http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20090730/column30_st.art.htm

is Romney (or really any post-GWB Republican) really the standard that should be held up when it comes to the expansion of Federal powers?

 

[dmcowen674]

Why does Romney want to overturn Obamacare when he enacted it as Gov of Mass in 2006?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_health_care_reform

in 2004 Governor Mitt Romney announced that he would propose a plan to cover virtually all of the uninsured.
On April 12, 2006, Governor Mitt Romney signed the health legislation.


Romney forced everyone in Mass to buy health insurance else be penalized for it.
now he wants Obamacare overturned???

WTF?!?

how does he even try to rationalize this?

Very simple

Republicans good, Democrats Bad

 

[Ryan]

The 10th Amendment, The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Except...that's only your interpretation. The SCOTUS ruling entirely saps the legitimacy out of this argument.

 

[manimal]

Not to thread crap but the same old tired argument of the 2k page monstrosity always makes me ask this question.



So how many pages is the bible?

 

[Cogman]

but it defies all logic.

Romney was the man behind Obamacare when he was Gov of his state in 2004.

Now he's against it???

talk about 180 degree about face

The logic is simple

Oppose Obamacare = possibly get elected
Don't oppose = likely won't get elected

This is politics 101. Make promises that the people electing you want to hear. It has nothing to do with previous promises, positions, or beliefs and everything to do with "How can I get elected."

 

[WackyDan]

Tell you what.. The reason he is against the ACA is simply this... They passed something similar in Massachusetts and he got to see first hand that it did nothing to control costs and like any other entitlement program, it is consuming more and more of the State's resources.

Say what you want about Romney... but at least he learns from his mistakes.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123811121310853037.html

 

[Jhhnn]

The 10th Amendment, The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Except...that's only your interpretation. The SCOTUS ruling entirely saps the legitimacy out of this argument.

Sheesh. Only Tenthers are capable of properly interpreting the Constitution, regardless of what the SCOTUS decides.

Their infinite wisdom is omniscient, existing at a much higher plane of consciousness than other mortals even dream of having.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

Say what you want about Romney... but at least he learns from his mistakes.

Oh, please. He hasn't said that what he did in Mass was a mistake. He's playing silly games pretending that it's oh-so-different from the ACA when everyone knows that it isn't, and that he proposed using the Mass law as a model for national healthcare.

He's a shameless, unrelenting liar. There's really nothing more to it than that.

 

[lopri]

is Romney (or really any post-GWB Republican) really the standard that should be held up when it comes to the expansion of Federal powers?

No, he's not a standard of anything (perhaps with the exception of his religious belief) and the GOP knows it, too. But he's still the presidential nominee.

 

[BladeVenom]

Except...that's only your interpretation. The SCOTUS ruling entirely saps the legitimacy out of this argument.

4 out of 9 Supreme Court Justices voted against Obamacare. Roberts was originally against it, but changed his mind.

You don't seem to realize how close it was, one judge was the difference.

 

[Ryan]

4 out of 9 Supreme Court Justices voted against Obamacare. Roberts was originally against it, but changed his mind.

You don't seem to realize how close it was, one judge was the difference.

I do realize how close it was, but the decision of the majority still rules in this case. To continue to pursue it on the same grounds is going to be fruitless.

 

[sunzt]

The difference between local authority whose representatives can more loudly hear your voice VS a distant and unrepresentative tyranny is the ENTIRE REASON we have a United States.

The Brits may have thought the same thing, why did we want to rule ourselves? Go figure.

Yes. Every state should have their own MPG standards, water standards, food safety standards, fuel standards, wireless communication standards, aircraft safety standards, airspace regulations, health standards, etc etc...

Companies will just have more freedom to build versions of cars to each state's specific needs. We will get more choice in food safety standards, i mean certain states can tolerate a little more chance of salmonella, of course there's hoping they don't cross the borders. Do even all states really need to drink the same quality of water? Also, consumers may be able to chose cheaper flights in states that have looser safety standards, albeit with possibly higher crash rates.

What a great utopia.

 

[sportage]

Don't think u can vote for Mitt and he won't do exactly that he is told by Sheldon Adelson and Karl Rove.
Yes he WILL try to kill healthcare reform.
There are more than enough republican loonies in congress to gladly go along.
And u know republicans have no damn plan to "replace" kaka.
Im sure they feel things were just peachy the way it was.
30 million not covered, caps, denied for pre exists, prices tripling year after year.

Their only solution is adding ability to purchase insurance across state lines.
Yeah, like AZ or CA is having this HUGE healthcare insurance sale.
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[Nemesis 1]

Well not that it matters glad you brought it up . as the first topic on this Someone asked why romney wants to out obummercare when Romney copied it in the state of mass. So I glad you straightened out who copied who . But that still doesn't explain why Romney was against obummer care in the first place . I just can't imagin people without insurance but can afford drugs and alky and all sorts of needless things comparred to insurance coverage. Low class really is LOW class. or no class.

 

[Todd33]

Because Romney will say and do anything to get elected. His views change with all political winds. He is nothing but a phony that thinks he deserves and can buy the presidency.

 

[Daverino]

Perhaps this will clear Romney's position up: