Why does it seem like ALL ddr AMD boards suck?

DashK

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Can someone who's unbaised give me the real deal on Via? For every positive comment I hear about Via, I read 10 negative comments about them, typical "Burn Via Burn, Die, Via sucks, My Via board won't work" ect. ect. That's pretty bad for what some say is the "Best" chip out for an AMD board.

Not to mention many people have told me, that Via chips + Nvidia graphics cards + Windows 2000 is like mixing Oil and Water. Since I have a GeForce 3 and Windows 2K, I don't think Via would be good for me. I see so many people WITH KT266A boards saying to stay away, it's really hard to have any confidence in anything Via (I have about 0). I guess I'll just wait for the SiS 745, since even with the AMD chipset, theres still a Via Southbridge, Ali Magik isn't so hot, nForce is out of the question, because all the boards with that have onboard video and sound, which I don't need and just jacks the price up 50 bucks, and that leaves me with SiS.

I really hope the 745 will save us all, since to me it seems like every AMD DDR board out just sucks, maybe I should have gotten a Pentium 4...
 

RagingGuardian

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I have a Dragon+ and it doesn't "SUCK" You should get your facts straight before posting. Just about everyboard out there has problems, just learn to deal with them.
 

CrimsonWolf

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Not true.


<< Not to mention many people have told me, that Via chips + Nvidia graphics cards + Windows 2000 is like mixing Oil and Water. Since I have a GeForce 3 and Windows 2K, I don't think Via would be good for me. >>


This is not a Via problem, it is a problem with Nvidia's Det 4 drivers. See here: Staying out of the Loop


<< I see so many people WITH KT266A boards saying to stay away, it's really hard to have any confidence in anything Via (I have about 0). >>


Do these people mention why they stay away from KT266A boards? I've worked with a few motherboards with the KT266A and they have never given me any problems. My main system uses a MSI KT266 Pro2-RU motherboard and this system performes flawlessly with the exceprion of the issue mentioned above. Which btw, is not a Via problem.

Frankly, I have never had any problems with any Via chipsets (Apollo Pro133a and up; I'm too young to have used their earlier boards).

As best said by RagingGuardian...


<< You should get your facts straight before posting. Just about everyboard out there has problems, just learn to deal with them. >>


If you ask enough people, anything will suck.
 

ku

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Well, i AM biased towards VIA due to their performance. However, there are a lot of compaibility issues with some of the current VIA chipsets. Because of this, im sure every 20 negative comments u hear are about the same issue coming from different people. If you can out about the compatibility issues before hand and avoid them, i'm sure you will be satisfied with the chipset.
 

DashK

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<< I have a Dragon+ and it doesn't "SUCK" You should get your facts straight before posting. Just about everyboard out there has problems, just learn to deal with them. >>



Sorry man, wasn't trying to bash your company, but never in my life have I seen so much negativity and people with bad things to say about a chipset company. I mean are you saying their all just bashing them with no good reason? See you praise them, which makes me think, hmm maybe I should get one, but then tonight, I'll read 20 more negative comments about them, and how can you have confidence in a company like that?
 

Dewey

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Via does get bashed alot. Remember that people tend to post with their problems so you are more likely to read about problems. So statistically you will read find more problems with popular products. The question should be if you can get solutions to those problems.
 

JellyBaby

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<< Remember that people tend to post with their problems so you are more likely to read about problems. >>

Also those who bash often do it for attention, especially in these forums. Always keep that in mind.
 

ST4RCUTTER

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DashK,


See that's the thing...nobody is going to post threads on this board saying "Everything is really running great...this VIA board sure does rock." They come here posting because they've screwed up a system build or are having trouble with hardware that they don't know how to fix (myself included). In my experience (6 systems built and going) VIA's chipsets are pretty solid. There are some idiosyncrasies with them (4-in-1 drivers, degraded performance in odd configurations) but for the most part system stability is not affected. Most motherboards (regardless of their chipset) experience these problems as well. One thing you'll always get with VIA is cutting edge performance. In most tests the KT266A based boards bench faster than those based on other chipsets. In the end you'll have to decide though...it's your money, not mine.
 

sMashPiranha

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<< Everything is really running great...this VIA board sure does rock >>


I'm running 3 VIA boards at the moment and have never had problems with any of them. They all perform great.
Some people just have a little bad luck and then they have to b!tch about it to everyone to make themselves feel better.
 

ddb

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Statements such as "Via Sucks" are obviously not true, and have little utility. But, here is my take on the issue. First, I am not biased in a personal way such that I think that Intel OR AMD platforms are always the best in all circumstances. Thus, I will say that my bias is twofold: stability and compatibility. I've now built dozens of systems and these are, breifly, my observations. Disregarding the Intel 810 MCH fiasco, boxed Intel motherboards (which obviously have Intel chipsets) tend to be the most compatible, and generally QUITE stable. It should be noted that Intel has an unfair advantage, though: every PC parts manufacturer MUST make sure its parts are compatible with Intel procs, since Intel has ~80% market share. However, its well known that AMD procs generally smoke any Intel desktop proc. On the other hand, I have tried dual proc Athlon systems (Tyan MP), and found them much less stable (and fast) than a dual P3. In my opinion, stay away from dual Athlons for a while if you value stability. And, lastly, the question of Via. I am truly disappointed that AMD stopped making the 761 chipset, as I found it to be the only highly stable ddr chipset for Athlon procs. I know people will swear up and down how good Via is, but my experience is that it's hit and miss with their products. The bottom line is that their southbridge's have/are plauged with CRONIC instability and compatability issues, including 1) numerous usb issues, esp. when oc'd, and esp. in win 98 (there are, of course, a mountain of patches to fix these), 2) lots of problems with IDE/ATAPI devices. Via, for example, admits that their IDE controller is not "entirely" compatible with such popular devices as Iomega's ATAPI zip drives and numerous cd rom models. Again, there's a stream of patches and "4-in-1's" that purport to fix certain issues, though these often create new issues, such as, for example, cd drives locking up forcing a reboot (i have seen this on several boards with a via southbridge). 3) Via south bridges corrupt hard drives with certain sound cards (this is really well documented, I won't go into detail, you can look for yourself, although this issue is "mostly" resolved). On and on it goes. But, as a counterfactual, type in "Asus P4T-E problems" into google and see how many hits you get. The Asus P4t and P4t-e is reportedly the best selling concumer P4 board, and thus far, I have heard/seen/read very few issues with this board, and for that matter, any P4 board based on the i850. The fact is, Intel based boards, while slightly slower and sometimes a bit more expensive, are, on the AVERAGE, more compatible with more hadware and have fewer "issues and glitches" than Via based systems. I DONT think this is AMD's fault, I think its Via's lousy products. Anyone who says "I Have two Via boards and they're great" has to confront an awful lot of empirical evidence to the contrary. Again, go to google and type "Via southbridge soundblaster" or "via usb windows 98 issues" etc. and you start to see a defininte pattern. If you don't care about system stabilty, only speed, then by all means, get a 266a. I put together an Asus A7V266-e and though that, overall, it was pretty nice, but again, read the forums to see the host of issues that users are reporting (and I also saw, such as issues with Athlon XP's, certain memory combos, etc.). If stability is important, though, you might reconsider the purchase of a via-based ddr board. The odds are higher that you'll encounter issues. This is unfortunate, because even the 761 boards like the Abit KG7 use a Via southbridge. Maybe try an SIS board, I put one together (the ECS K7S5a) and thought is was pretty nice for a cheap board, but again, lots of others have reported issues with this model. Price is not really a factor anymore, though, with DDR so expensive. You can, for example, buy an Asus P4t-e with an Athlon XP and 256mb of Rambus for about the same price as an Asus A7V266-e with an Athlon XP and 256mb's of high quality DDR. My two cents worth.
 

xylem

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VIA has my commendation for contributing a lot toward advancement of computing in general. Try imagining the market *without* VIA. That is a rather depressing thought to me.

Motherboard and chipset manufacturers have probably the toughest job, since they have to create a medium in which all components can not only work together, but do so in a large multitude of different configurations and situations. Most of these components themselves have their own quirks that can cause issues in only very rare situations, so imagine trying to test and troubleshoot a chipset, or motherboard that uses it, for so many possibilities. And then there is software...

Anyway, VIA has had some problems, but they do work to solve them, and their products as a whole, in my opinion, are definitely improving.
 

ST4RCUTTER

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ddb

That's one impressive paragraph ;)

I definitely agree with you on the majority of what you've said. Having only built a handful of systems, I can't say "empirically" that VIA chipsets are usually or even often stable...only that of the 5 I have built, they have all run like champs with little to no compatibility issues. That doesn't mean that VIA doesn't have a history of "screwin' the pooch".

I am curious as to what stability issues your Tyan boards had. Both Anandtech and other review sites have reported the 760MP as one of the most stable server boards ever...


You can, for example, buy an Asus P4t-e with an Athlon XP and 256mb of Rambus for about the same price as an Asus A7V266-e with an Athlon XP and 256mb's of high quality DDR.

Is there a socket 478 to 462 adapter I'm not aware of? ;)
 

drake6

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:Q Uh this thread reminds me of gen eisnhower old quote " all gross generalizations are false inclueding this one" i got the ecs k7s5a runn a amd xp1800 and it kicks ass and is very stable so my reply to the orginal post of this thread is WTF?
 

lmbebo

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running a kt266a mb under xp and a gf2 pro. never experienced that problem. Never experienced the problem with my old mb either, a kt133 using win2k and xp.

both via platforms were stable playing civ3, ut, q3, empire earth and return to castle wolf.

 

anime

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you have to remember 100 peeps posts about probs with ddr amd board that numbers dont represent the majority people who have the board. There are way more people who have success with this board who did not post anything on any forums board.
Reason why see a lot of this post is coz of this recent event with AMD producing fast cpu that competitive with INtel with much lower price attract a lot of first time system builder to build their own system. LAck experience caused a lot of problems to them. They are frustrated and post their problems as expected to most tech site board looking for answers. I build my fourth amd ddr system for my friends and I never run into any probs other than my own carelessness and stupidity. cheers :D
 

Mem

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Hmm two VIA boards here and I`ve no problems with Nvidia cards,I don`t decide by chipsets I just go by the top brands and buy what`s getting good reviews on stability etc and is good value for money,before these two VIA boards I had both Intel and SiS(way back) and have yet to have motherboard stability problems.

You do get a lot of VIA bashing and SiS bashing most of it all crap,I`ve no problem with anybody buying any chipset ,brand etc I just wish some people would stop the flaming(on both sides) it`s not doing the Anandtech forums really any good.


 

DoubleL

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Remember to some people can screw up a rock, The most trouble I have with the VIA chipset is when I sell it to someone, I can build a DDR board load windows and anything else I can beat it, Kick it and it will run stable as a rock and someone gets it and they call me back with problems, 99 percent of the problem is something they have done or it want over clock to 175 FSB so you reformat it and get it running good and it is the sos, Same with Intel, Bottom line is the new boards do not suck they are better than ever, I just don't understand what some people want if you can load anything on it and know when you hit the power it will come on and the only error you get is from windows, It has been a long day
 

Jhhnn

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Non-Intel systems are just more finicky, it's the nature of the beast. With DDR solutions, the whole thing is in its infancy, so there's bound to be some problems along the way.

And there's a lot more to understand with alternative chipsets than Intel chipsets. Windows was built to use intel stuff (except XP) so you do need to employ some workarounds, and avoid some hardware configurations. You also need to understand that some board makers have QC issues- The ECS K7S5A is an obvious example. Some of them work great, others are buggy as hell. They have problems with intel boards, too.

The truth is, you can't have everything- low price, cutting edge performance and rock solid stability. Got to compromise somehow, some way. That's not to say some people don't get lucky, don't plan on it.

 

CoachClevenger

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I see a lot of bashing here form people who have only built a few systems. I have built hundreds of systems with almost evey chipset known to man. My first overclock was a p90 @ 120mhx on an intel hx chipset. My first via chipset was with socket7, as was my first ali chipset. Through all of this, the most stable system i ever ran was on a 440bx (abit bh6 - cely 300a@450). it is still running today. i have run the kt266a (shuttle ak31a) with no probs, except my original PS was not up to the task. THERE HAS NOT BEEN A CHIPSET AS GOOD AS THE 440BX. so don't expect it. read the reviews and find what you need. understand the limitations of each chipset and buy based on your needs. IMHO, just buy a shuttle ak31a and have money left over for dimms, video, audio, or that really kewl pc-cam
 

drake6

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<< Hmm two VIA boards here and I`ve no problems with Nvidia cards,I don`t decide by chipsets I just go by the top brands and buy what`s getting good reviews on stability etc and is good value for money,before these two VIA boards I had both Intel and SiS(way back) and have yet to have motherboard stability problems.

You do get a lot of VIA bashing and SiS bashing most of it all crap,I`ve no problem with anybody buying any chipset ,brand etc I just wish some people would stop the flaming(on both sides) it`s not doing the Anandtech forums really any good.
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Amen , BTW Mem love your sig, I'm a huge pisoner fan too. On another forum my hand is Drake is Six? Did you know a&e is comming out the Old Secret Agent series on DVD? So Far Ive got the first three volumes fot the prisoner on dvd (going to get all soon) and hopefully all the one hour eposides of Secret Agent to boot . :D Recoginze the question in my sig?;)
 

ddb

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<< ddb
You can, for example, buy an Asus P4t-e with an Athlon XP and 256mb of Rambus for about the same price as an Asus A7V266-e with an Athlon XP and 256mb's of high quality DDR.

Is there a socket 478 to 462 adapter I'm not aware of? ;)
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No, there is no converter, that was just a really bad typo.
I meant to write P4 1.7 ghz, but was thinking to fast...

Sorry,
Derek


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TBC

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I have noticed the same thing as the original poster. It seems about every new motherboard out now has many people who really hate it or love it.

Maybe it has been this way in the past, but I don't recall people being this extreme if it was.
 

AZGamer

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<< Can someone who's unbaised give me the real deal on Via? For every positive comment I hear about Via, I read 10 negative comments about them, typical "Burn Via Burn, Die, Via sucks, My Via board won't work" ect. ect. That's pretty bad for what some say is the "Best" chip out for an AMD board. Not to mention many people have told me, that Via chips + Nvidia graphics cards + Windows 2000 is like mixing Oil and Water. Since I have a GeForce 3 and Windows 2K, I don't think Via would be good for me. I see so many people WITH KT266A boards saying to stay away, it's really hard to have any confidence in anything Via (I have about 0). I guess I'll just wait for the SiS 745, since even with the AMD chipset, theres still a Via Southbridge, Ali Magik isn't so hot, nForce is out of the question, because all the boards with that have onboard video and sound, which I don't need and just jacks the price up 50 bucks, and that leaves me with SiS. I really hope the 745 will save us all, since to me it seems like every AMD DDR board out just sucks, maybe I should have gotten a Pentium 4... >>



The problem is that even though there are many zealots on each side, the complaints against VIA chipsets are baseless and folly. The KT266A is the best chipset on the market right now.