Why does Israel need settlements in the West Bank?

[Abwx]

btw are u guys limiting yourselves to only mass media (cnn, abc cbs, fox etc?) there is a lot of stuff going on unreported by mass media

Censored in the US , land of "freedom and democracy" and
generaly in all western medias :

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7x...e-censure_news

 

[Abwx]

I swear Isreal is the troll of countries.

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world...eived-death-threats-from-jewish-gang-1.355962?

 

[SamurAchzar]

Look, Abwx, I understand your frustration, I really do. I mean, you are a proud Arab, but even proud Arab can't overlook the facts, such as:

1. Israel has 8 times GDP per capita of Egypt, 7 times that of Syria, and 6 times that of Jordan, and only 2.5 times that of Lebanon

2. Israelis can vote their leaders in, while your shithole Arab countries assassination is the only way to get new people into office

3. Israelis (9) have won more Noble prizes than all Arab states combined.

4. In 1967, Israel raped the following coalition of Arab countries (list from Wiki):
* Egypt
* Syria
* Jordan

with assistance of:
* Iraq
* SA
* Morocco
* Algeria
* Libya
* Tunisia
* Sudan
* PLO

Despite having Russian fighter pilots stationed in Egypt actively participating in the fighting (IDF raped them too).

Not only that but you Arabs lost territory that is several times bigger than Israel itself.

5. To continue the theme, in 1973 Israel raped the following countries:
* Egypt
* Syria
* Iraq
* Jordan

Despite Russian assistance, and despite a surprise attack.

6. In 1982, Israel decided to disable the Syrian air force. Syria lost 80 fighter aircraft (out of about 100 participating), and their entire network of anti air batteries (the cream of the Russian crop).

Israeli lost nothing (it's a good one, worth reading, over here)

7. The following countries have R&D centers in Israel:
* Google
* Yahoo
* Microsoft (2)
* Broadcom
* Intel (3)
* Texas Instruments (2)
* Samsung (2)
* IBM

It's most likely your computer processor was developed by Israelis in Haifa.

I'd be happy to see a similar list of foreign R&D centers in Syria or Egypt.

--

The thing is, Abwx, it takes an Arab to accuse Israel of fascism and violation human rights in light of its neighbors. Israel is better, in any imaginable way, to any Muslim country you might suggest; whether in science, economy, military or human freedom.

All these the Israelis accomplished while being averting the Muslim attempts of genocide.

While Israel is an OECD member, your Arab countries shut off YouTube.

Yes, you have positioned yourselves comfortably at the bottom of civilization in any index other than perhaps number of suicide bombers per capita. You have that one.

Otherwise, you fail. Come on, the entire Muslim Umma can't murder 7 millions Jews? You guys suck.

--

Attached is a list of Muslim noble prize winners compared to Jewish noble prize winners.

Muslim

Literature
1988 - Najib Mahfooz
Peace
1978 - Anwar El-Sadat
1994 - Yasser Arafat *
2003 - Shirin Ebadi
Chemistry
1999 - Ahmed Zewail
Physics
Abdus Salam

Jewish

Literature
1910 - Paul Heyse
1927 - Henri Bergson
1958 - Boris Pasternak
1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 - Nelly Sachs
1976 - Saul Bellow
1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 - Elias Canetti
1987 - Joseph Brodsky
1991 - Nadine Gordimer
2002 - Imre Kertesz
World Peace
1911 - Alfred Fried
1911 - Tobias Asser
1968 - Rene Cassin
1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin
1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin
1995 - Joseph Rotblat
Chemistry
1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1972 - William Howard Stein
1972 - C.B. Anfinsen
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Ronald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Herbert A. Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 - Robert Huber
1989 - Sidney Altman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
1998 - Walter Kohn
2000 - Alan J. Heeger
2004 - Irwin Rose
2004 - Avram Hershko
2004 - Aaron Ciechanover
Economics
1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 - Simon Kuznets
1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1973 - Wassily Leontief
1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
1976 - Milton Friedman
1978 - Herbert A. Simon
1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 - Franco Modigliani
1987 - Robert M. Solow
1990 - Harry Markowitz
1990 - Merton Miller
1992 - Gary Becker
1993 - Rober Fogel
1994 - John Harsanyi
1994 - Reinhard Selten
1997 - Robert Merton
1997 - Myron Scholes
2001 - George Akerlof
2001 - Joseph Stiglitz
2002 - Daniel Kahneman
2005 - Robert (Israel) Aumann
Medicine
1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
1908 - Paul Erlich
1914 - Robert Barany
1922 - Otto Meyerhof
1930 - Karl Landsteiner
1931 - Otto Warburg
1936 - Otto Loewi
1944 - Joseph Erlanger
1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser
1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman
1953 - Hans Krebs
1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 - Joshua Lederberg
1959 - Arthur Kornberg
1964 - Konrad Bloch
1965 - Francois Jacob
1965 - Andre Lwoff
1967 - George Wald
1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 - Salvador Luria
1970 - Julius Axelrod
1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 - David Baltimore
1975 - Howard Martin Temin
1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 - Rosalyn Sussman Yalow
1977 - Andrew V. Schally
1978 - Daniel Nathans
1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
1984 - Cesar Milstein
1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 - Gertrude Elion
1989 - Harold Varmus
1991 - Erwin Neher
1991 - Bert Sakmann
1993 - Richard J. Roberts
1993 - Phillip Sharp
1994 - Alfred Gilman
1994 - Martin Rodbell
1995 - Edward B. Lewis
1997 - Stanley B. Prusiner
1998 - Robert F. Furchgott
2000 - Eric R. Kandel
2002 - Sydney Brenner
2002 - Robert H. Horvitz
Physics
1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
1921 - Albert Einstein
1922 - Niels Bohr
1925 - James Franck
1925 - Gustav Hertz
1943 - Gustav Stern
1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
1945 - Wolfgang Pauli
1952 - Felix Bloch
1954 - Max Born
1958 - Igor Tamm
1958 - Il'ja Mikhailovich
1958 - Igor Yevgenyevich
1959 - Emilio Segre
1960 - Donald A. Glaser
1961 - Robert Hofstadter
1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
1963 - Eugene P. Wigner
1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 - Julian Schwinger
1967 - Hans Albrecht Bethe
1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
1971 - Dennis Gabor
1972 - Leon N. Cooper
1973 - Brian David Josephson
1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
1976 - Burton Richter
1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
1978 - Peter L Kapitza
1979 - Stephen Weinberg
1979 - Sheldon Glashow
1988 - Leon Lederman
1988 - Melvin Schwartz
1988 - Jack Steinberger
1990 - Jerome Friedman
1992 - Georges Charpak
1995 - Martin Perl
1995 - Frederick Reines
1996 - David M. Lee
1996 - Douglas D. Osheroff
1997 - Claude Cohen-Tannoudji
2000 - Zhores I. Alferov
2003 - Vitaly Ginsburg
2003 - Alexei Abrikosov

 

[Abwx]

Lol , the list of autopromoted nobel prizes...

Most ridiculous are theses ones :

1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin
1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

Either war criminals and a true false writer neo nazi like...
It says all about the nobel s prize authority...

Indeed, you are very good as writers when it comes to cancel
your criminal and cruel behaviour...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIe4u2jOLuc

Civilized, you ?...True that nazis did like Mozart s muzic..
They were also gifted scientist that did invent deadly weapons..
This is what you call "being advanced" poor zionist fool..

As to defeat the israeli army, it would be relatively
easy in fact, as proved by the Hezbollah s amateur-ish
fighters giving you a run for your money despite
vastly bigger means of the zionist army..

 

[SamurAchzar]

You can spew "Nazi" for all that you like, but over the entire Middle East, Asia and Northern Africa, the Arabs with the most rights are located in... Israel. Ironic, isn't it?
Have you heard how they started squealing and whining when Lieberman suggested to pass the responsibility of them to the Palestinians state when one is formed? Funny, even they know the truth They wouldn't want to live under failed Arab ruling for one day.

As to defeat the israeli army, it would be relatively
easy in fact, as proved by the Hezbollah s amateur-ish
fighters giving you a run for your money despite
vastly bigger means of the zionist army..

I suppose that when IDF is forced to avoid any harm to Arab civilians it's difficult more difficult for them, true. But when the leash is loosened - such as in Cast Lead - the results are overwhelmingly different.
The next round of war with Hizballah isn't too far away, mind, we'll see the aftermath of that

Meanwhile, Israel is taking care of Hizballah one by one. I already envision many Sha'eeds

One thing I don't understand though. It's a very common practice in Arab families to murder their daughters over bringing what they think is disgrace over the family. Why, then, haven't you Arabs killed the leaders who disgraced your Umma with their failure against the Zionist state?

 

[Abwx]

I suppose that when IDF is forced to avoid any harm to Arab civilians it's difficult more difficult for them, true. But when the leash is loosened - such as in Cast Lead - the results are overwhelmingly different.
The next round of war with Hizballah isn't too far away, mind, we'll see the aftermath of that

?

False, you killed more than 1000 civilians...


On the israeli losses, far less civilians were killed
than zionist fighters..
So on the "taking care of not harming civilians" credo
you re just twisting facts, as usual...

 

[Abwx]

One thing I don't understand though. It's a very common practice in Arab families to murder their daughters over bringing what they think is disgrace over the family. ?

How can you understand, since you are spreading a lie
and then ask yourself why you don t understand it....

Typical of the zionists s tactic of diabolizing arabs to present them
as sub human worthy to be killed and as consequence , to legitimate
the killings they are waging in the meddle east...

Beware, your reasonning capacity has been long ago
outmatched by your PC s processor, likely since the
time of the Pentium Pro..

 

[Abwx]

You can spew "Nazi" for all that you like, but over the entire Middle East, Asia and Northern Africa, the Arabs with the most rights are located in... Israel. Ironic, isn't it?
Have you heard how they started squealing and whining when Lieberman suggested to pass the responsibility of them to the Palestinians state when one is formed? Funny, even they know the truth They wouldn't want to live under failed Arab ruling for one day.



?

Let s say that once they are deprived of the israeli passport, any
drunked israeli can them kill them and be granted a hero...

Here an israeli settler killing a palestinian
under israeli nazi military protection...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL00Gr87OJs

Well, that s living under jewish rule...

 

[Nebor]

If the Israelis are just Nazis I wish they'd hurry the fuck up and gas\starve the Palestinians to death so I could stop hearing about it.

 

[the DRIZZLE]

If the Israelis are just Nazis I wish they'd hurry the fuck up and gas\starve the Palestinians to death so I could stop hearing about it.

Seriously, the Israelis must be the least effective Nazis ever. They have have an overwhelming military and economic advantage but hardly kill any Palestinians.

 

[Abwx]

Seriously, the Israelis must be the least effective Nazis ever. They have have an overwhelming military and economic advantage but hardly kill any Palestinians.

Censored in the US , land of "freedom and democracy" and
generaly in all western medias :

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7x...e-censure_news

 

[EagleKeeper]

<snip>
As to defeat the israeli army, it would be relatively
easy in fact, as proved by the Hezbollah s amateur-ish
fighters giving you a run for your money despite
vastly bigger means of the zionist army..

The only thing Hezbollah did was initially surprise the IDF with the type of weapons that were available for use; anti-tank and anti-ship that they received from Iran.

After that Israel was able to counter and run Hezbollah all over Lebanon to the point that Hezbollah begged for peace.

You have never seen Israel asking for the UN to step in - they know the UN will not.



Hezbollah leadership admitted publicly that they underestimate the Israel response and would not have triggered the actions had they known.

When you chose to rewrite history, make sure that is is not already written down by those that you support.
Even LL can rewrite history better than this.

 

[piasabird]

Arabs choose not to live in peace. Look at the Isreali land and how they have developed it. Then look at the Arab land and see that they have done nothing but make bombs and attacked Isreal. Which country/people did a better job?

 

[Abwx]

The only thing Hezbollah did was initially surprise the IDF with the type of weapons that were available for use; anti-tank and anti-ship that they received from Iran.


.

Funny...
So with archaic weapons they still surprised an army that
have 400 to 500 bn (paid by the us tax payer..) worth of high
tech weaponry .?..

More seriously, if Hezbollah would have just 20&#37; of the
israeli means, they would have taken the whole palestine...

This is the lesson of this war...

Indeed, you should check for the israeli military
losses that are way higher than their civilian losses,
contrary to lebanon....

Israel killed mainly civilians...as usual...

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US medias censored pictures :

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7xdof_gaza-israel-massacre-censure_news

 

[QuantumPion]

Israel killed mainly civilians...as usual...
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7xdof_gaza-israel-massacre-censure_news

Maybe if Hezbollah quit launching their rockets from schools and hospitals there would be fewer "civilian" casualties.

 

[Abwx]

Maybe if Hezbollah quit launching their rockets from schools and hospitals there would be fewer "civilian" casualties.

In the previous israeli invasion in 1982, 30 000
lebanese civilians were slauthered by the israeli..

Yet, at that time, Hezbollah didn exist....
So in some extent, comparing the numbers,
it seems that the truth is the contrary
of your sayings..

 

[EagleKeeper]

In the previous israeli invasion in 1982, 30 000
lebanese civilians were slauthered by the israeli..

Yet, at that time, Hezbollah didn exist....
So in some extent, comparing the numbers,
it seems that the truth is the contrary
of your sayings..

From what Arab propaganda site are you pulling these number from?

 

[EagleKeeper]

The only thing Hezbollah did was initially surprise the IDF with the type of weapons that were available for use; anti-tank and anti-ship that they received from Iran.


.

Funny...
So with archaic weapons they still surprised an army that
have 400 to 500 bn (paid by the us tax payer..) worth of high
tech weaponry .?..

More seriously, if Hezbollah would have just 20% of the
israeli means, they would have taken the whole palestine...

This is the lesson of this war...

Indeed, you should check for the israeli military
losses that are way higher than their civilian losses,
contrary to lebanon....

Israel killed mainly civilians...as usual...

-------------------------------------------
US medias censored pictures :

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7xdof_gaza-israel-massacre-censure_news

Again where are you getting your information from?

You continually post facts that seem to be Arab propaganda that even the BBC at the time was not reporting. I use the BBC as an example, because they are not pro Israel and are occasionally hoodwinked by Arab propganda/PR

 

[EagleKeeper]

We know you are of Arabic orign hiding around in France and much more of a propaganda peace than any of the Palestinian rose eyed supportered here.

Possible, Algerian.

Where is the evidence of the US Media censuring the pics. I am able to see such fine.
Maybe it is your propaganda feeds that are telling yoiu this.

 

[Abwx]

We know you are of Arabic orign hiding around in France and much more of a propaganda peace than any of the Palestinian rose eyed supportered here.

Possible, Algerian.

Where is the evidence of the US Media censuring the pics. I am able to see such fine.
Maybe it is your propaganda feeds that are telling yoiu this.

Exemple :

Most notably, after more than eight days of Israeli bombing and Hamas rocket launching in Gaza, The New York Times had produced exactly one editorial, not a single commentary by any of its columnists, and only two op-eds (one already published elsewhere). The editorial, several days ago, did argue against the wisdom of a ground invasion – - but even though that invasion had become ever more likely all week the paper did not return to this subject.


Another one :

Former President Jimmy Carter has started a debate that's long overdue in America by accusing the US press of being biased towards Israel. In a Los Angeles Times article Carter argues that issues around the Israeli-Palestinian conflict "are intensely debated among Israelis and throughout other nations - but not in the United States. For the last 30 years, I have witnessed and experienced the severe restraints on any free and balanced discussion of the facts. This reluctance to criticise any policies of the Israeli government is because of the extraordinary lobbying efforts of the American-Israel Political Action Committee and the absence of any significant contrary voices."

 

[EagleKeeper]

Censoring is different than ignoring. The Times is not the representative of the US media

On the Gaza; there were no journalists allowed into the area; what information that was initially available came from Israeli and Hamas sources.

Carters opinion is one man - there are plenty of articles on the Middle East - many just filter out the propaganda stuff. Carter tried to have his stamp on the ME peace with Camp David and failed.

The US interest in the ME does not revolve daily around what the Israelis and Palestinians/Arabs are doing/accusing each other.

This has been happening so long, that we have become inured to it.

Its hit the news and drop off - unless it is direct US involvement, there are bigger issues to be concerned about.

One can get the information if one wants to.

 

[Abwx]

Again where are you getting your information from?

You continually post facts that seem to be Arab propaganda that even the BBC at the time was not reporting. I use the BBC as an example, because they are not pro Israel and are occasionally hoodwinked by Arab propganda/PR

BBC, although being one the western source the most reliable
doesn t always say the whole story...

Generaly , the European press is more or less mum since
they were told by their politics that presenting Israel
as a possible murderer would give rise to antisemitism...

Is it not a Kafkaian situation ??. ( Kafka, an east
european jewish whose main book is about a guy
that assist passively to his own trial and is recognized guilty
of a crime he didn t commit..)

 

[QuantumPion]

In the previous israeli invasion in 1982, 30 000
lebanese civilians were slauthered by the israeli..

Maybe if the PLO didn't bombard Israel with artillery strikes, the IDF wouldn't have had to invade to begin with.