Why does everyone hate the kurds so much?
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Its like hitler and the jews in WWII. There are just a weak group being exploited for the advancement of a demented leader.
They are kind of like the Palestinians and the Chechens. People kinda feel sorry for them, but pretty much noone really want a Kurdish state in the region.
this is how uninformed you are:
1. kurds don't even live in former yugoslavia
2. the grand total of the milosevic "genocide" was some 2800 dead bodies, including combatants from both sides.
3. it is quite obvious why kurds are hated in that region by just about every sovereign country: they want an independent state kurdistan. btw, turkey is no better at dealing with kurds than iraq, you just don't hear much about it.
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1. ok relocated versions of kurds (cousins if you will)
2. I've seen no where where they said the death toll was 2800, most agree that it is between 10-50k, what is an acceptable number of deaths for you?
3. Kurdistan would contain oil fields and plenty of water. I don't see any harm in it's formation, you don't exactly hear about too many kurdish extremists blowing up civilians now do you?
Much as I sympathise with the Kurds - I for one would hope that no Kurdish state would ever be formed unless it has the proper backing of those countries from which it would be taken. Failing that IMHO it will probably end up another bloody thorn in the side of that region/the world for many, many years.
Cheers,
Andy
It should be wrong to kill period, I cant stand the 'lets die for allah' circulating in the Arab world.
Do those religious sects (sunni's, shiites) really have religious doctrine informing them its ok to kill women and children? (I really don't know, but I wouldn't have thought so) I would hope your not tarring these people the world over with the same brush that coats Saddam and his opportunist un-Islamic brethren.
Cheers
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1. no, not even close. the albanian population of kosovo has nothing in common with the kurds, except for their religion.
2. the number of approx. 2800 is according to the hague tribunal. the number is not publicized much for obvious reasons. in a war against terror, which yugoslavia was involved in, sometimes civilians die. i'm sure you can appreciate this fact as an american.
3. what sovereign country on this planet would give someone a good chunk of their territory just because they request it?
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Kurds are mainly Sunni. They're sort of a different ethnicity, but there has been a great deal in intermingling with Persian (Iran), Turks (Turkey) and Arabs. A simple answer is that they are a mountain tribe the lives in the mountainous areas across Turkey, Iraq, and Iran. They represent about 10 - 20% of the population of each of Turkey, Iraq, and Iran.
I seem to remember that Saladin was a Kurd and that they were an agressive tribe that moved into the area (like the Mongols, Turks, and a bunch of the other tribal waves that washed through the area) and then quickly converted to Islam.
Michael
I seem to remember that Saladin was a Kurd and that they were an agressive tribe that moved into the area (like the Mongols, Turks, and a bunch of the other tribal waves that washed through the area) and then quickly converted to Islam.
Michael
That's my point. (Remembering that immigrant Australians persectued the Aborigines for years.)
Unless the countries involved agree to the creation of such a state (ie the decision isn't made by a 3rd party for them) it would most likely be a nightmare (no pun intended
). That probably won't happen - so much as I sympathise with the Kurds, IMHO they'll probably have to live within Iraq/Turkey as citizens of those countries.Cheers,
Andy
1. as i've explained, very few were killed. certainly not because of their religion, since serbia has other areas with muslim population and they have managed to live in peace. the truth is, the albanian terrorist organizations wanted to create 'greater albania' out of albania, kosovo and parts of macedonia. they terrorized civilians in yugoslavia and macedonia, and often attacked the police and the army.
2. ~2800 is the number acknowledged by the hague tribunal. this number includes combatants on both sides as well as civilian casualties caused by both sides. i will try and find a link for you...
3. do you even know how those countries were created? 4 out of 5 were not peaceful and i suppose australia was created because the english are such good people, not because they had no choice.
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I've always found it ironic that the Arab and other Muslims whine about there not being a Palestinian state when they've been denying the Kurds their state for a long time. When the WW I allies were carving up the old Ottoman Empire, they meant to create a Kurdistan. However, the Ottoman monarchy in Turket was overthrown and the treaty recognizing Kurdistan was thrown out.
The Kurdish areas have long been part of another country. In the past, they enjoyed much more self governance (sort of like what they have in Northern Iraq now). They minded their own affairs and send troops and taxes to the Ottoman Empire when required.
Again going from memory, I thought the Kurds sided with iran during the Iran/Iraq war. The Kurds have been used by some many other countries in the area (including the US) that it is hard to keep track.
Michael
The Kurdish areas have long been part of another country. In the past, they enjoyed much more self governance (sort of like what they have in Northern Iraq now). They minded their own affairs and send troops and taxes to the Ottoman Empire when required.
Again going from memory, I thought the Kurds sided with iran during the Iran/Iraq war. The Kurds have been used by some many other countries in the area (including the US) that it is hard to keep track.
Michael
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thanks for providing an unbiased source.
My point was that these leaders are killing a group that is weak and a small portion of the populace.
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Originally posted by: kleinesarschloch
thanks for providing an unbiased source.
I take it you would have rather had something from an unbiased source like theguardian.co.uk
or this one Googled it in case you are wondering
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I take it you are a Fan of that Chronic Bedwetter! Maybe you are one of those fools who believes in the "Greater Serbia". FYI, there is no greater Serbia, in fact they have to be one of the most conquered groups in all of Europe.Originally posted by: kleinesarschloch
thanks for providing an unbiased source.
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: kleinesarschloch
thanks for providing an unbiased source.
I take it you would have rather had something from an unbiased source like theguardian.co.uk
or this one Googled it in case you are wondering
That was government BS. Milosevic didn't not perform genocide on anyone. The Albanians wanted their own state which they had NO RIGHT to do. There was a war and people died. It happens all the time. This time it was labeled as "genocide". It was funny when they couldn't find any mass graves and it is also funny that Kosovo is a terrorist state which supports Osama Bin Laden. I wonder what the US would think if all the Irish in America banded together to make their own country in say New York. What a crock. Same goes with Russia who were bad mouthed by the US for attacking the poor little chechen terrorists. http://www.tv.cbc.ca/national/pgminfo/russia/
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Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: kleinesarschloch
thanks for providing an unbiased source.
I take it you would have rather had something from an unbiased source like theguardian.co.uk
or this one Googled it in case you are wondering
That was government BS. Milosevic didn't not perform genocide on anyone. The Albanians wanted their own state which they had NO RIGHT to do. There was a war and people died. It happens all the time. This time it was labeled as "genocide". It was funny when they couldn't find any mass graves and it is also funny that Kosovo is a terrorist state which supports Osama Bin Laden. I wonder what the US would think if all the Irish in America banded together to make their own country in say New York. What a crock. Same goes with Russia who were bad mouthed by the US for attacking the poor little chechen terrorists. http://www.tv.cbc.ca/national/pgminfo/russia/
Isn't Andy looking for you?
Sort of like all the Baath's and Iraqi's gathered together carved their own little niche and the UK game them their own country?
Wasn't Milosevic the head honcho, knew about what was going on, and did nothing about it, thus encouraging it.
Using your logic...
How many jews did Hitler actually kill, I mean actually pull the trigger and kill them himself?
???
I was composing a reply to the post you just replied to, explaining about the one-sidedness of the arguement if that's what you mean?
Cheers,
Andy
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