Why do you guys play a console instead of PC?

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

What do consoles have to compare with Neverwinter Nights / NWN2, The Witcher, Baldur's Gate series, etc?

Baldur's Gate for starters, KoTOR and Jade Empire are also along those lines(Jade Empire probably moreso then KoTOR).

Jade Empire was crap.. shallow console style RPG... garbage.. Biowares worst offering ever...

BG on the console was also a gutted mess when compared to the masterpeice that was the PC version.

I'm sorry but console games are shallow compared to PC games for the most part.

no mods no added content made by regular people instead have to wait for DLC and then PAY for it..

BG and NWN lived long beyond thier liofespans thanks to some brilliant stories and modules made by the community.

Consoles are basiclaly for the gaming inept. they are LITE.. like bad beer.
sure some games are fantastic and are much better on consoles..
and those are generally racing, sports and other such lite games..

But when it comes time for a deep modible gaming expeiernce like RPGs and MMOs and other "deep" games console cannot compete.. and the fact that consoles dont ever evolve over thier lifespan titles at the end of the consoles lifespan are usually much much shallower than ther PC games becasue PCs are constantly evolving and hardware goes up every single year.

sorry both have thier place but consoles is for kiddies and people with less money to spend or people that like party style games.

 

[BenSkywalker]

Jade Empire was crap.. shallow console style RPG... garbage.. Biowares worst offering ever...

Explain how exactly. It wasn't remotely close to a console style RPG just so you know, gameplay wise it was very close to a clone of a KoTOR. Use exacting examples to make your point, some of your other issues you are factually very wrong(we'll get to those ) so I would say the burden of proof is on you

I'm sorry but console games are shallow compared to PC games for the most part.

Give examples. You are going to have to work at this one, most PC games come to the consoles now anyway.

no mods no added content made by regular people instead have to wait for DLC and then PAY for it..

That would be a good point, but, well, you are wrong.

This is just a fun goof off mod. There are many others for UT3. Consoles are perfectly capable of user made mods, available for free too. It's simply if the developers decide to allow it or not(which, obviously, sometimes they do).

But when it comes time for a deep modible gaming expeiernce like RPGs and MMOs and other "deep" games console cannot compete..

How so? Go in depth and explain why this is. You think MMOs can't be done on consoles? And how is it you define deep? Seems to me you harp on games that were soft on content and needed more added to it, is that what 'deep' is?

sorry both have thier place but consoles is for kiddies and people with less money to spend or people that like party style games.

Judging by your writing style I'm likely old enough to be your father, although I would hope all but maybe my two youngest children would do better. How is it that consoles are for kids? I started on the console side with Pong, started on 'PCs' back when you bought script which you then entered the code yourself in order to play your games. Been playing right along with both of them since then, how is it you consider consoles less deep? Again, use exacting examples. Over the years I'm sure I've hit the thousands of games played for both systems, don't hesitate to be exacting.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

Not to refute or argue against anything that you said, but you yourself didn't actually cite many specifics either. You seem to have quite an opinion on this issue, and since I'm looking in to picking up a console for the first time in probably 5-6 yrs it would be useful if you could back up your post with some specifics.

For each genre of game? Sure

Racing games consoles have an abundance of different flavors. If you want more realistic style racing(nothing like PC "sims" which aren't even close to realistic) you have titles like Forza2(very good, but only marginal over the first), Grid(not too bad, nothing special though), MotoGP(tends to be excellent if you like motorcycle games), and DiRT for the rally racer. Arcade style racers you have Mario Kart(laugh those who will, the games are fun as hell) Burnout(wtfpwns ), Pure for a bit of a change of pace, and Gran Turisimo(I keep hoping this will head into the realistic genre, no luck yet though). Battle style racing Mario Kart simply decimates everyone else, I guess Wipeout is OK in a pinch, but it really isn't close. If you like the arcade leaning with a nod towards realism there are titles like Midnight Club, Project Gotham and the always mediocre NFS series. There are so many to chose from in this genre, just listing a few of the ones I have gotten to bang the tires on a decent amount

For sports games, I could list some, but honestly, there just isn't any competition at all here so I'm assuming that that point is simply understood

Face to face social games- titles like Super Monkey Ball, or hell, Geometry Wars with some buddies(we spent waaayyy too much time with that souped up version of Asteroids ) and the 800lb Gorilla of social games, Smash Bros.

Adventure games GTAIV would be the obvious top spot, then you have titles like Saint's Row, MGS4 and Zelda. There are many others, but the big three(Saint's Row is coming along, not quite with the others yet though) are so far beyond the rest it isn't entirely fair.

Fighting games- Tekken, VirtuaFighter, Street Fight, Soul Caliber, Smash Bros. Not really competition in this genre either.

RPGs- Consoles have most of the major series now on PCs along with the big two console series, Final Fantasy(not a big fan myself) and Dragon Quest(which I am a huge fan of- old school turn based combat system). With the majority of PC developers now porting over to the consoles and the JRPGs remaining console exclusive the console side just has a broader spectrum covered.

Action games- God of War, Ninja Gaiden, Metroid, Resident Evil and of course titles like Mario(a lot of people love to knock it, but his games are fun, although sadly they have gotten too easy lately) along with more eccentric titles like Okami.

I'm interested in racing games also which you touched on in your post, but didn't cite any examples. I loved the Gran Tourismo series for the PS1 and PS2, but I'll be getting a 360 if I get a console so the GT series is out.

Could I ask why you are thinking about picking up a console? A 360 overwhelmingly is another PC without the hassle. Almost every one of the 360's 'exclusives' that are worth playing are also on the PC. If that's what you are looking for, then it certainly does very well in that aspect. Overall as a gaming platform it seems to me to be the weakest system this generation BY FAR. That said, IMO Forza2 is the best reason to own a 360 so far. That isn't because it doesn't have a lot of really good games, just overwhelmingly the games are also out for the PC or PS3, both of which I also have. I was somewhat letdown in how little was improved over the first Forza, but the first Forza utterly obliterated all the other racing games last generation, Forza2 is still tops IMO, just not the utterly dominant title it was last gen.

Thanks for the response. I have GRID for the PC, and I'd have to say I agree with your assessment. It's a Code Masters game which generally means it doesn't suck, but isn't brilliant either. Great to hear about Forza 2, especially because it's only $20 now.

I'm considering a console mainly because DRM with activation limitations seems to be all the rage with publishers this holiday season.

I like PC gaming, which is probably why the 360 is the most attractive console to me. I've played the wii, and while it is neat and fun with friends, I don't see myself playing most of the games I've seen for any extended period of time by myself. I really haven't had much exposure to the PS3, don't know anyone that has one, and I'd prefer to be able to do online gaming with friends.

 

[oznerol]

Console games are for complete n00bs who don't know anything about REAL gaming. All of the BEST, most DEEP gaming experiences are on the PC. And you can completely mod them.

Also, you have so many options. Like, you can get a $500 video card to run the BEST GAMES at 4x AA, AF, at 1920x1080 at 60FPS, 500HP, 120Hz without a problem. Or you can wait a month and get the same card for $200. It's win/win. Plus, you get the perk of constantly installing/updating drivers for it.

And I don't know about you LOSERS and your couches, but I'm 100000x more comfortable sitting in my chair, hunched over, 2 feet from my $600 24" monitor. And mouse + keyboard is EPIC!!!11!!one!1 Carpal Tunnel Syndrome? F-that! I pwn carpal tunnel. My wrists are in great shape from masturb...... having sex with my girlfriend. PLUS, you could always just put your PC in your living room - it's totally stylish and all of the girls I bring back to my place say it's super sexy. And I can't tell you how great it feels to play with a giant plastic keyboard on your lap and a dragging the mouse over the fabric of the cushions. I mean, it's WIRELESS, so you know it's good.

And sports games - those are for KIDDIES. Seriously. Who likes sports? You know what a REAL sport is? COUNTERSTRIKE! I've finished in the top 3 of over a DOZEN CS tournaments. Almost cracked triple-digits in prize money, AND I get free PIZZA. Madden? Puh, total n00bs.

So FORGET about the rapidly growing, multi-billion dollar console market. It's for 12-year-olds and soccer moms. PC gaming has all of the successful, 20-something millionaires playing.

Alright I'm done with this thread. Too many newbs. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to head back to my parents' basement.

 

[CKDragon]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

You consider Baldur's Gate 1&2 for PC hack and slash?

Hack&Slash RPG absolutely, you don't?

Clearly not. To steal a phrase from recent political rhetoric, this is a fundamental difference between our viewpoints and there is no chance we're going to agree anything regarding Baldurs Gate if we can't come to terms on this. Baldur's Gate for PC was a traditional party-based D&D RPG in the mold of the Ultima series. The console versions were much closer to Diablo a/k/a solo action "Hack & Slash" with co-op elements of Gauntlet thrown in. The gameplay was extremely dissimilar in my opinion.

In my opinion, the painfully linear console versions of Baldur's Gate were nothing like an open-world Bioware RPG.

KOTOR was also very linear, if it's done well enough, it doesn't have to be a bad thing(in terms of creating an immersive story it is MUCH easier).

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Easier for the developer, but as a gamer what do I care what's easy or hard for the developer?

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: CKDragon

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

You consider Baldur's Gate 1&2 for PC hack and slash?

Hack&Slash RPG absolutely, you don't?

Clearly not. To steal a phrase from recent political rhetoric, this is a fundamental difference between our viewpoints and there is no chance we're going to agree anything regarding Baldurs Gate if we can't come to terms on this. Baldur's Gate for PC was a traditional party-based D&D RPG in the mold of the Ultima series. The console versions were much closer to Diablo a/k/a solo action "Hack & Slash" with co-op elements of Gauntlet thrown in. The gameplay was extremely dissimilar in my opinion.

Despite CK getting pink all over my black car last night, I have to agree with him. Baldur's Gate for the PC was a pretty straight-forward D&D RPG that used a different game mechanic than turn-based to give the illusion of real time. In fact, I'd say that KOTOR queuing up commands was an outgrowth of the original Baldur's Gate.

Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance I and II weren't trying to be Baldur's Gate on the PC. They weren't even made by Bioware. These games were dungeon crawling hack-and-slash RPG-lites set in the Baldur's Gate universe.

 

[Kabob]

The biggest thing for me is that I like sitting in my living room on my comfy couch holding a controller as opposed as to being in my dark and decrepid room of despir with a mouse and keyboard. It's a more casual type of gaming that I prefer.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Deeko
It wasn't an update, it was a brand new box. This was early-mid 2002 - Athlon XP 2200, Radeon 9700 Pro, 1GB RAM....all top o' the line back then. I upgraded it for probably 500-600 about three years later. It's all but useless now - in March I got a Dell XPS M1530 gaming laptop and destroys it in every way. All in all, that's $4,000 in six years. That's a lot of money. It is really undeniable that in order to play the latest PC games as they're meant to be played, it's FAR more money than consoles.

4k in 6 years? man good thing youre not into RC Helicopters for a hobby I spend that in 6 months.

blades alone are 140 bucks a set =P

I dont find 4k over 6 years to be anything to even blink about.. thats not that much cash these days.

and if you factor in the amount of time you used those items the cost per minute of entertainment goes way way down.

Uhhhh, dude, what does that have to do with anything? Consoles cost between $300-$600 every 5 or so years, depending on which one you go with. I'm not sure how your math skills are, but that's a whole lot less than $4000.

That aside....$4000 just for the base hardware, not including games, peripherals, subscriptions, etc.....that is NOT cheap. If you have that much expendable income that you think it is, congrats, but it's still a lot of money.

4000$ over 6 years is nothing.. really isnt.. thats not even the depreciation on a new car these days for that same amount of time.

Obviously I afforded it as a college student, but did you read the rest of my post? Regardless of whether or not you think $4000 is a lot, $4000 is still a WHOLE LOT more than $300.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Consoles are basiclaly for the gaming inept. they are LITE.. like bad beer.
sure some games are fantastic and are much better on consoles..
and those are generally racing, sports and other such lite games..

But when it comes time for a deep modible gaming expeiernce like RPGs and MMOs and other "deep" games console cannot compete.. and the fact that consoles dont ever evolve over thier lifespan titles at the end of the consoles lifespan are usually much much shallower than ther PC games becasue PCs are constantly evolving and hardware goes up every single year.

sorry both have thier place but consoles is for kiddies and people with less money to spend or people that like party style games.

This is absurd. Sports games are "lite" games? That's pathetic. There's no "deep" RPGs on a console? Ah...ever heard of Final Fantasy? Your entire ascertain on games is just incorrect.

Consoles don't evolve? You're, in essence, saying a PS2 game from 2000 = a PS2 game from 2005, because the hardware hasn't evolved? That's blatantly false, and is actually a STRENGTH of the console. Because developers only have to work on one set of hardware, they get better and better with it as time goes on. Compare a 1st gen PS2 game to, say, God of War II or Final Fantasy XII. The difference is night and day.

On your whole money kick, I played a lot more PC games in college when I was broke than I do now when I'm graduated and have money. Maybe I'm fiscally smarter than I was then? Or maybe it's because your claim that consoles are for people with less money is a self-serving lie.

Try again, sport.

 

[CKDragon]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Consoles are basiclaly for the gaming inept. they are LITE.. like bad beer.
sure some games are fantastic and are much better on consoles..
and those are generally racing, sports and other such lite games..

But when it comes time for a deep modible gaming expeiernce like RPGs and MMOs and other "deep" games console cannot compete.. and the fact that consoles dont ever evolve over thier lifespan titles at the end of the consoles lifespan are usually much much shallower than ther PC games becasue PCs are constantly evolving and hardware goes up every single year.

sorry both have thier place but consoles is for kiddies and people with less money to spend or people that like party style games.

This is absurd. Sports games are "lite" games? That's pathetic. There's no "deep" RPGs on a console? Ah...ever heard of Final Fantasy? Your entire ascertain on games is just incorrect.

Consoles don't evolve? You're, in essence, saying a PS2 game from 2000 = a PS2 game from 2005, because the hardware hasn't evolved? That's blatantly false, and is actually a STRENGTH of the console. Because developers only have to work on one set of hardware, they get better and better with it as time goes on. Compare a 1st gen PS2 game to, say, God of War II or Final Fantasy XII. The difference is night and day.

On your whole money kick, I played a lot more PC games in college when I was broke than I do now when I'm graduated and have money. Maybe I'm fiscally smarter than I was then? Or maybe it's because your claim that consoles are for people with less money is a self-serving lie.

Try again, sport.

I'll probably regret jumping into this dispute, but my gaming timeline mirrors yours. In college (particularly Drexel), it was all the rage to LAN game in the dorms. I was almost exclusively a PC gamer in college. Now that I've graduated and have 15x the yearly income, I'm almost exclusively a console gamer. The "more/less money" idea is elitist garbage.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Jumpem
I'm contemplating an Xbox 360 simply to game on my 61" tv.

I think you just hit the primary reason. Other reasons:

1) I work at a PC all day already. I'd rather sit on a comfy couch.
2) I grew tired of keeping up with the PC upgrade carousel.
3) Console gaming is good for gaming in short bursts. I don't have the time I used to to game.
4) Better game selection for 'social' gaming in the same room.
5) More games I can play with my kids.

I still play my PC, but when I am playing my console games it is always because of these reasons.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

Jade Empire was crap.. shallow console style RPG... garbage.. Biowares worst offering ever...

Explain how exactly. It wasn't remotely close to a console style RPG just so you know, gameplay wise it was very close to a clone of a KoTOR. Use exacting examples to make your point, some of your other issues you are factually very wrong(we'll get to those ) so I would say the burden of proof is on you

I'm sorry but console games are shallow compared to PC games for the most part.

Give examples. You are going to have to work at this one, most PC games come to the consoles now anyway.

no mods no added content made by regular people instead have to wait for DLC and then PAY for it..

That would be a good point, but, well, you are wrong.

This is just a fun goof off mod. There are many others for UT3. Consoles are perfectly capable of user made mods, available for free too. It's simply if the developers decide to allow it or not(which, obviously, sometimes they do).

But when it comes time for a deep modible gaming expeiernce like RPGs and MMOs and other "deep" games console cannot compete..

How so? Go in depth and explain why this is. You think MMOs can't be done on consoles? And how is it you define deep? Seems to me you harp on games that were soft on content and needed more added to it, is that what 'deep' is?

sorry both have thier place but consoles is for kiddies and people with less money to spend or people that like party style games.

Judging by your writing style I'm likely old enough to be your father, although I would hope all but maybe my two youngest children would do better. How is it that consoles are for kids? I started on the console side with Pong, started on 'PCs' back when you bought script which you then entered the code yourself in order to play your games. Been playing right along with both of them since then, how is it you consider consoles less deep? Again, use exacting examples. Over the years I'm sure I've hit the thousands of games played for both systems, don't hesitate to be exacting.

Ben,
you have your opinions I have mine.
I started on Pong as you have and have had every single system and console there have ever been.. including virtual boy and even a vectrex.

I'm a 37 year old Network Administrator. I have been around since the beginning.
and I find that consoles are so shallow in comparison to PCs which admittedly has seen a decrease in recent years.

Jade Empire? are you freaking serious? this was so RPG lite it wasnt even barely an RPG..
Your character is so customizable and there is NOTHING to look forward to the entire game except some lame new combos.
Half the fun of a real RPG is looking for loot.

This game had none of that.

KOTOR is 1000X the game Jade Empire is or ever will be.


Games for consoles do not evolve.. the console is limited by its hardware over its lifespan so yes its EXTREMELY limited.
PC hardware on the other hand grows on a monthly basis.. By the time 1 console gen has passed the PC Hardware market has made HUGE leaps and bounds in graphics and technology.

Games are not limited to stay in that old hardware they can write for whats coming.

UT4 as an example of modable? are you really on the same planet I am?
go look up some PC mod sites and tell me you're even comparing the 2.

on 360 you are not even allowed to browse the game files except for saves.. how are you or anyone else modding and adding maps items chars.. levels... etc?

there are PC games still alive after 5+ years because of the modding communities.
Most console games die a quick death within 12 months of their release.


BTW for the guy that brought up Final Fantasy... I really dont know how you guys tolerate that style of RPG.. the gameplay and story and even the graphics style make me want to gouge my eyes out with a rusty yard tool.
I hate Japanese style RPGs.

Gimme Fallout.. (whitch BTW will own the console version on PC on pure modibility.) Gimme anything Bioware... Gimme anything Elder Scrolls.. but please dont give me anymore big eyed, blue haired anime girls... or Chocobos..

Btw nice Personal dig there on my writing style.. not what I'd expect from an "ATOT Elite" Member.

I may not write as well as an English Major, but I'd sure like to see that English Major dig through system logs and servers as well as I do.

 

[oznerol]

CVSiN has put this thread into hilarity status.

 

[CVSiN]

I think you guys put it there by yourselves...

Opinions are like buttholes everyone has them.. but to compare PC and Console gaming.. they are totally different animals.

PCs are good at things that consoles arnt.

I would never play RockBand on a PC.. but I sure as hell wont play Crysis or Fallout on a Console either..

 

[BenSkywalker]

I like PC gaming, which is probably why the 360 is the most attractive console to me. I've played the wii, and while it is neat and fun with friends, I don't see myself playing most of the games I've seen for any extended period of time by myself. I really haven't had much exposure to the PS3, don't know anyone that has one, and I'd prefer to be able to do online gaming with friends.

Then it really sounds like the 360 is the system for you. Given your criteria, you will get more of the titles you are apt to be interested in and, as long as you are willing to pay for it, can play online with your friends.

Baldur's Gate for the PC was a pretty straight-forward D&D RPG that used a different game mechanic than turn-based to give the illusion of real time. In fact, I'd say that KOTOR queuing up commands was an outgrowth of the original Baldur's Gate.

KoTOR was hack&slash unless you played it out using the insanely easy way(pausing action to que commands, heh, what a joke).

CVSiN, honestly, if you are going to try and claim your age and experience to be remotely close to what you are saying, you should really attempt at improving your post structure in a profound manner. I'm not big on nitpicking, but you post more like a 13 year old texting his friends then anything resembling a sys admin.

and I find that consoles are so shallow in comparison to PCs which admittedly has seen a decrease in recent years.

Give examples. What on the PC makes, say, Morrowind look extremely shallow? You are the one making the claim, back it up.

Your character is so customizable and there is NOTHING to look forward to the entire game except some lame new combos.
Half the fun of a real RPG is looking for loot.

You brought up Jade Empire, it is a game developed by PC devs and isn't remotely close to a console style RPG. Half the fun of a real RPG is looking for loot? You are the type of gamer I used to kick out of raids. I absolutely despise loot whores.

KOTOR is 1000X the game Jade Empire is or ever will be.

Both on consoles and PCs. The fact that the gameplay on both was extremely similar isn't really a topic for debate, hell- ask the developers themselves.

Games for consoles do not evolve.. the console is limited by its hardware over its lifespan so yes its EXTREMELY limited.

Tell me what GAMEPLAY element we have today that wasn't possible on a Voodo2 with a Pentium2 400MHZ. You will need to get into exacting details. Don't be afraid to get extremely technical, go to assembly level instrucion queing for differing architectures and how certain elements are not possible if need be as far as gameplay is concerned. In reality, PC gaming has been stagnant in terms of gameplay for many years now, at best we see continued minor refinements, consoles OTOH every once in a while at least give us something that is very different.

UT4 as an example of modable? are you really on the same planet I am?
go look up some PC mod sites and tell me you're even comparing the 2.

You said it was't possible, I was simply displaying your ignorance on the subject. Nothing is stopping mods from happening on consoles except for the likely exception that mods overwhelmingly suck More games are hitting the PS3 allowing user made mods, its fairly early in how far progressed it is atm.

on 360 you are not even allowed to browse the game files except for saves.. how are you or anyone else modding and adding maps items chars.. levels... etc?

Well, the 360 sucks, what do you want me to say? It certainly isn't remotely close to the only console this gen, actually at the rate its going it will finish dead last this generation world wide by a rather large margin.

there are PC games still alive after 5+ years because of the modding communities.
Most console games die a quick death within 12 months of their release.

Well over 99% of PC games die within 12 months too, what exactly is your point?

BTW for the guy that brought up Final Fantasy... I really dont know how you guys tolerate that style of RPG.. the gameplay and story and even the graphics style make me want to gouge my eyes out with a rusty yard tool.
I hate Japanese style RPGs.

Gimme Fallout.. (whitch BTW will own the console version on PC on pure modibility.) Gimme anything Bioware... Gimme anything Elder Scrolls.. but please dont give me anymore big eyed, blue haired anime girls... or Chocobos..

I have to say it is quite amusing to see these comments back to back. You bash on one console style RPG and bring up superior examples of other RPGs- which are all on the consoles too.

Btw nice Personal dig there on my writing style.. not what I'd expect from an "ATOT Elite" Member.

I may not write as well as an English Major, but I'd sure like to see that English Major dig through system logs and servers as well as I do.

Your ability to convey your thoughts properly has a significant impact on how much merit your ideas are given by others. As I stated previously, I'm not big on nit picking, but you need to structure your thoughts a lot better if you want people to see your point of view as anything other then amusing in a discussion such as this. So far the only point you have managed to convey is that PC games have more mods then consoles, and that is the only thing PC games have going for them. There are more strong points for PC gaming then that, but you certainly aren't getting those points across in the manner in which you are approaching this thread.

I would never play RockBand on a PC.. but I sure as hell wont play Crysis or Fallout on a Console either..

I would wager fairly heavily that Fallout will generate considerably more revenue on the console side then on the PC side. Given that gaming is a business, that doesn't bode well for the PC side of things as you have implied numerous times that Fallout is an example of the PC's strengths. If PCs strengths are showing less revenue generation then the consoles weaknesses, you should expect a rapid decline in PC development.

 

[coreyb]

pc gaming > console

 

[coreyb]

where is the console equivalent to cs source, unreal tournament, diablo 2, starcraft, etc? i know lots of people that play both console and pc games but if you asked them what their favorite games of all time are...probably 9/10 of them will be on pc. i cant remember enjoying a console game as much as ive enjoyed those pc games i mentioned. i have hundreds of hours logged in tf 2, but i struggle to play through any of my console games.

 

[Jack Flash]

Originally posted by: coreyb
where is the console equivalent to cs source, unreal tournament, diablo 2, starcraft, etc? i know lots of people that play both console and pc games but if you asked them what their favorite games of all time are...probably 9/10 of them will be on pc. i cant remember enjoying a console game as much as ive enjoyed those pc games i mentioned. i have hundreds of hours logged in tf 2, but i struggle to play through any of my console games.

Super Mario 64, Super Metroid, Metal Gear Solid, Goldeneye 64, Super Smash Bros. Melee, Halo, The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time...

Plenty of crowd pleasers on the consoles.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

I like PC gaming, which is probably why the 360 is the most attractive console to me. I've played the wii, and while it is neat and fun with friends, I don't see myself playing most of the games I've seen for any extended period of time by myself. I really haven't had much exposure to the PS3, don't know anyone that has one, and I'd prefer to be able to do online gaming with friends.

Then it really sounds like the 360 is the system for you. Given your criteria, you will get more of the titles you are apt to be interested in and, as long as you are willing to pay for it, can play online with your friends.

Well, I got the 360 along with Dead Space. It's pretty cool, but I honestly don't see how you can even consider the graphics on a 360 even remotely close to that of a decent PC.

I'm running the 360 via HDMI to DVI-D to my Dell 2407WFP (1920x1080), and I hooked it up to my Sony plasma TV as well to see what it looks like. It just doesn't look anywhere nearly as good as my PC, at least with Dead Space and the Lego Indiana Jones game that came with it. It looks to me like it's running the games at a lower rez and is upscaling the output to make it "HD". The fact that my Dell won't scale 1:1 at 1920x1080 (slight stretch to 1920x1200) doesn't help any. It does scale 1:1 on most of the other resolutions the 360 does, however, and it still doesn't look as good even 1:1. Perhaps it is just the games I tried, but I'm not holding my breath.

I'm definitely going to a PC and console gamer, but will most likely gravitate to towards the PC whenever there are games available for both platforms with no activation limitations.

 

[Jules]

Originally posted by: ducci
Console games are for complete n00bs who don't know anything about REAL gaming. All of the BEST, most DEEP gaming experiences are on the PC. And you can completely mod them.

Also, you have so many options. Like, you can get a $500 video card to run the BEST GAMES at 4x AA, AF, at 1920x1080 at 60FPS, 500HP, 120Hz without a problem. Or you can wait a month and get the same card for $200. It's win/win. Plus, you get the perk of constantly installing/updating drivers for it.

And I don't know about you LOSERS and your couches, but I'm 100000x more comfortable sitting in my chair, hunched over, 2 feet from my $600 24" monitor. And mouse + keyboard is EPIC!!!11!!one!1 Carpal Tunnel Syndrome? F-that! I pwn carpal tunnel. My wrists are in great shape from masturb...... having sex with my girlfriend. PLUS, you could always just put your PC in your living room - it's totally stylish and all of the girls I bring back to my place say it's super sexy. And I can't tell you how great it feels to play with a giant plastic keyboard on your lap and a dragging the mouse over the fabric of the cushions. I mean, it's WIRELESS, so you know it's good.

And sports games - those are for KIDDIES. Seriously. Who likes sports? You know what a REAL sport is? COUNTERSTRIKE! I've finished in the top 3 of over a DOZEN CS tournaments. Almost cracked triple-digits in prize money, AND I get free PIZZA. Madden? Puh, total n00bs.

So FORGET about the rapidly growing, multi-billion dollar console market. It's for 12-year-olds and soccer moms. PC gaming has all of the successful, 20-something millionaires playing.

Alright I'm done with this thread. Too many newbs. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to head back to my parents' basement.

LOL, Good stuff.

 

[BenSkywalker]

Well, I got the 360 along with Dead Space. It's pretty cool, but I honestly don't see how you can even consider the graphics on a 360 even remotely close to that of a decent PC.

You didn't quite hit the high note for graphics on the 360 GoW2 looks pretty decent, RE5 will likely be close to the high point for the 360 graphics wise. Dead Rising isn't a bad looking game by 360 standards, but it isn't exactly top of the line either. Your plasma a 720p display? That seems to be the sweet spot for 360 displays this generation. Also- setting your resolution on the 360 does not set what res the game is rendered at, only what res it is output at, the game will always render at its' default resolution setting.

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: coreyb
pc gaming > console

Agreed, except for sports games.

KT

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: coreyb
where is the console equivalent to cs source, unreal tournament, diablo 2, starcraft, etc? i know lots of people that play both console and pc games but if you asked them what their favorite games of all time are...probably 9/10 of them will be on pc. i cant remember enjoying a console game as much as ive enjoyed those pc games i mentioned. i have hundreds of hours logged in tf 2, but i struggle to play through any of my console games.

I've played both plenty of the years - the only PC game I'd consider putting in my top 10 is Unreal Tournament. The rest is all console games.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: coreyb
where is the console equivalent to cs source, unreal tournament, diablo 2, starcraft, etc? i know lots of people that play both console and pc games but if you asked them what their favorite games of all time are...probably 9/10 of them will be on pc. i cant remember enjoying a console game as much as ive enjoyed those pc games i mentioned. i have hundreds of hours logged in tf 2, but i struggle to play through any of my console games.

I've played both plenty of the years - the only PC game I'd consider putting in my top 10 is Unreal Tournament. The rest is all console games.

Probably a 60/40 split for me in favor of consoles. Starcraft, Civilization (series), Counterstrike, Diablo 2... maybe switch out Diablo 2 for Age of Empires 2. Not sure I'd pick Counterstrike anymore either. I've never played CS:S, so I can only go by the original. It was amazing at the time, but Call of Duty 4 is just so much better, and for reasons that don't depend on graphics and CPU power. If I had to list the games that I've logged the most hours on though, those 4 would be on the list.

 

[vi edit]

I guess I find the notion that a console is for "kiddies" is laughable at best. I'm a 30 year old guy with a full time job, a wife, and a kid. I'm done keeping up with the hardware market, fucking around with patches and drivers and couldn't give two flaming craps about AA x 8 or whatever the latest whiz bang graphics buzzword is.

When I get a few hours of free time a week I just want to pop in a game, stretch out on the couch, and have some fun.

Consoles provide me that luxury.

Been there, done that, bought the tee shirt on PC Games. I used to write my own boot disks to get games to run in the old DOS/Win 3.1 days. Then came the 3D revolution and the explosion in high priced video cards that were obsolute in months.

Gimme something that just works, doesn't have to be constantly upgraded, and save me some money because I can rent games and leave my expendible income to things like college savings for the kids and a mortgage payment.