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why do widescreen dvds still have black bars on the top and bottom on widescreen tvs?

Kaido

Kaido

Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
I notice at the store and in ads and stuff for widescreen tvs that widescreen dvds don't fill the whole screen. What's the point of getting a widescreen? Why does the picture have black bars on the top and bottom?
 
Originally posted by: Kaido
I notice at the store and in ads and stuff for widescreen tvs that widescreen dvds don't fill the whole screen. What's the point of getting a widescreen? Why does the picture have black bars on the top and bottom?
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because there are different types of widescreen

99,9% of widescreen tv are 16:9 and some movies are shot in something "wider" hence the black bars
 
16x9 = 1.85 aspect ratio.

there is another one that is frequently shot at 2.35.

So some movies will still have small bars at the top and bottom. The 2.35 movies are very noticable on a 4x3 TV because half of the screen is black.
 
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: Kaido
I notice at the store and in ads and stuff for widescreen tvs that widescreen dvds don't fill the whole screen. What's the point of getting a widescreen? Why does the picture have black bars on the top and bottom?
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because there are different types of widescreen

99,9% of widescreen tv are 16:9 and some movies are shot in something "wider" hence the black bars
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Acutally "most" movies are shot with 1.85 aspect ratio. When I say most I mean something like 55-60%, there are tons shot in 2.35, 2.40 or different.
 
Foolscreen movies are modified to fit the fool's screen, 4:3:1.

16:9 widescreen movies fit 16:9 screens with no black bars. Widescreen computer monitors will have small black bars because they are actually 16:10 not 16:9.

Scope movies are 2:35:1 and will have black bars on all screens, obviously most noticeable on 4:3:1 screen of fools.
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: Kaido
I notice at the store and in ads and stuff for widescreen tvs that widescreen dvds don't fill the whole screen. What's the point of getting a widescreen? Why does the picture have black bars on the top and bottom?
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because there are different types of widescreen

99,9% of widescreen tv are 16:9 and some movies are shot in something "wider" hence the black bars
Click to expand...

Acutally "most" movies are shot with 1.85 aspect ratio. When I say most I mean something like 55-60%, there are tons shot in 2.35, 2.40 or different.
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semantics 😛
 
heh, well this is something everybody should know. -edit- when I say should, I mean one should learn the difference...not that one would intuitively know.

Most folks are still confused as heck over aspect ratios and are suprised to learn that movies are shot in all different ratios.

there's a really great page out there showing the difference, I just don't have it handy.
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
heh, well this is something everybody should know. -edit- when I say should, I mean one should learn the difference...not that one would intuitively know.

Most folks are still confused as heck over aspect ratios and are suprised to learn that movies are shot in all different ratios.

there's a really great page out there showing the difference, I just don't have it handy.
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widescreen.org is IMO a great link with lots of examples
 
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: spidey07
heh, well this is something everybody should know. -edit- when I say should, I mean one should learn the difference...not that one would intuitively know.

Most folks are still confused as heck over aspect ratios and are suprised to learn that movies are shot in all different ratios.

there's a really great page out there showing the difference, I just don't have it handy.
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widescreen.org is IMO a great link with lots of examples
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Absolutely. I was honestly very suprised to learn how much is actually lost, cut-off, not scene, etc amongst different aspect ratios.
 
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: spidey07
heh, well this is something everybody should know. -edit- when I say should, I mean one should learn the difference...not that one would intuitively know.

Most folks are still confused as heck over aspect ratios and are suprised to learn that movies are shot in all different ratios.

there's a really great page out there showing the difference, I just don't have it handy.
Click to expand...


widescreen.org is IMO a great link with lots of examples
Click to expand...

Absolutely. I was honestly very suprised to learn how much is actually lost, cut-off, not scene, etc amongst different aspect ratios.
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personally, OAR is the only way to watch a movie , P&S is pure horror
 
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: spidey07
heh, well this is something everybody should know. -edit- when I say should, I mean one should learn the difference...not that one would intuitively know.

Most folks are still confused as heck over aspect ratios and are suprised to learn that movies are shot in all different ratios.

there's a really great page out there showing the difference, I just don't have it handy.
Click to expand...


widescreen.org is IMO a great link with lots of examples
Click to expand...

ah, thank you. wow, there's like 50 different formats. I just think it's dumb that you buy a widescreen tv and still get bars. my laptop has never played a widescreen movie without bars - 15.4" widescreen @ 1280x800. Oh well.
 
Originally posted by: Kaido
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: spidey07
heh, well this is something everybody should know. -edit- when I say should, I mean one should learn the difference...not that one would intuitively know.

Most folks are still confused as heck over aspect ratios and are suprised to learn that movies are shot in all different ratios.

there's a really great page out there showing the difference, I just don't have it handy.
Click to expand...


widescreen.org is IMO a great link with lots of examples
Click to expand...

ah, thank you. wow, there's like 50 different formats. I just think it's dumb that you buy a widescreen tv and still get bars. my laptop has never played a widescreen movie without bars - 15.4" widescreen @ 1280x800. Oh well.
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believe me, it's not dumb because you are seeing the movie as it was intented to be (OAR -Original Aspect Ratio)

chopping (P&S) a movie because you don't like black bars is the dumbest thing you can do because you lose a lot of information that was present in the original frame
 
Originally posted by: Kaido
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: spidey07
heh, well this is something everybody should know. -edit- when I say should, I mean one should learn the difference...not that one would intuitively know.

Most folks are still confused as heck over aspect ratios and are suprised to learn that movies are shot in all different ratios.

there's a really great page out there showing the difference, I just don't have it handy.
Click to expand...


widescreen.org is IMO a great link with lots of examples
Click to expand...

ah, thank you. wow, there's like 50 different formats. I just think it's dumb that you buy a widescreen tv and still get bars. my laptop has never played a widescreen movie without bars - 15.4" widescreen @ 1280x800. Oh well.
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If you really want to, on some widescreen TVs it allows you to "set" the aspect ratio (I believe it basically just zooms in and crops, I could be wrong though) so that the black bars aren't present.
 
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Kaido
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: spidey07
heh, well this is something everybody should know. -edit- when I say should, I mean one should learn the difference...not that one would intuitively know.

Most folks are still confused as heck over aspect ratios and are suprised to learn that movies are shot in all different ratios.

there's a really great page out there showing the difference, I just don't have it handy.
Click to expand...


widescreen.org is IMO a great link with lots of examples
Click to expand...

ah, thank you. wow, there's like 50 different formats. I just think it's dumb that you buy a widescreen tv and still get bars. my laptop has never played a widescreen movie without bars - 15.4" widescreen @ 1280x800. Oh well.
Click to expand...

If you really want to, on some widescreen TVs it allows you to "set" the aspect ratio (I believe it basically just zooms in and crops, I could be wrong though) so that the black bars aren't present.
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yeah, my laptop with PowerDVD 6 Deluxe has that option. I use it on some movies. I was watching The Incredibles earlier and I couldn't tell a difference, but when I was watching the first Mummy movie the faces were definately stretched.

The ISO or whoever needs to control things better and set a single stupid standard. I work at Staples...I hate explaining the difference between DVD+R and DVD-R to average consumers. I'm like, it's just because they're dumb, buy whatever you want, lol.
 
Don't listen to what these other guys tell you. The black bars are there for a reason. They look plain black but are actually filled with subliminal information that is programming your brain, conditioning you for the day the aliens come.

Either that or the aspect ratio that the film was shot in differs from your TV.
 
because the tv needs to be exactly 16:9 aspect ratio and just because a screen is wide does't mean it's the correct ratio for a dvd, just closer
 
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