Why do we pass laws so easily when they seem like a good idea yet we don't get rid of laws very easily or very often when it seems like a good idea?
Why do we pass laws so easily?
- Thread starter BlancoNino
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I could partially agree with that. I think we pass laws because we naturally believe that laws are the core for solving problems, when it's very much true that getting rid of laws can solve an equal amount of problems.
blackangst1
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Ive pondered this myself. My only reasoning is that the public in general doesnt keep their elected in check. If people would spend an hour/month peeking at what local and federal elected are attempting to pass, and emailing or writing them to let them know of their disapproval, we could have a much better country.
See my quote from Churchill
See my quote from Churchill
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Ive pondered this myself. My only reasoning is that the public in general doesnt keep their elected in check. If people would spend an hour/month peeking at what local and federal elected are attempting to pass, and emailing or writing them to let them know of their disapproval, we could have a much better country.
See my quote from Churchill
I agree, but it's pretty disheartening that Congressmen don't read the vast majority of the bills that they sign.
The most recent example is this US attorney scandal where the provision for Bush to appoint interim atty's without Congressional approval was a 'shock' to people in the Senate. Even after all the grandstanding about the Patriot Act, the people who voted for it still don't know what it contains.
The best part of this story is Arlen Specter crying in his soup about it, I guess he forgot that the provision originated in his office.
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Ive pondered this myself. My only reasoning is that the public in general doesnt keep their elected in check. If people would spend an hour/month peeking at what local and federal elected are attempting to pass, and emailing or writing them to let them know of their disapproval, we could have a much better country.
See my quote from Churchill
I don't enable quotes. I like reading the forums to be simple. Default color scheme, no sigs, and the max number of posts per page make my posting experience much more effective.
IMO, politicians should be spending more time checking if laws are actually working and getting rid of the ones that don't work instead of trying to pass more and more ineffective laws.
Try to get rid of drug laws that are filling our prisons with us. Laws create wealth for criminals who prey on people who fall into the criminal set criminal trap.
blackangst1
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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Ive pondered this myself. My only reasoning is that the public in general doesnt keep their elected in check. If people would spend an hour/month peeking at what local and federal elected are attempting to pass, and emailing or writing them to let them know of their disapproval, we could have a much better country.
See my quote from Churchill
I don't enable quotes. I like reading the forums to be simple. Default color scheme, no sigs, and the max number of posts per page make my posting experience much more effective.
IMO, politicians should be spending more time checking if laws are actually working and getting rid of the ones that don't work instead of trying to pass more and more ineffective laws.
Here's my quote: The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
I also concur congressmen should spend more time reading the bills they sign; however, given the number of bills and the sheer SIZE of the bills, unfortunately its unrealistic. Thats what they have staffers for. They would spend 70 hours/week just reading lol
And I go back to my original stance: it's up to the VOTERS to keep their elected in check. If people arent happy about laws that are passed or amended, it's no one's fault but our own.
Actually, I think that's the best arguement for democracy. Everyone I talk to doesn't like the Republican Party nor do they like Bush.
Guess what's going to happen in 2008?
I've actually been told by legislators that they are elected and hired by the people to pass laws. They said if they don't pass as many laws as they can they are not doing their job.
BrunoPuntzJones
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I think Doug Stanhope had a good idea. Have the big laws that everyone agrees on. And then 10 other laws. But you can only have the 10 at a time. You want another one, well you got to get rid of one first.
So things like rape, murder, robbery, would be the big ones people could agree on. Then you'd have the 10 that people would fight between what to add and what to take off.
"Hey Jim you hear that pot smoking got added to the list?"
"Doesn't bother me, I can jack off on the bus again!"
So things like rape, murder, robbery, would be the big ones people could agree on. Then you'd have the 10 that people would fight between what to add and what to take off.
"Hey Jim you hear that pot smoking got added to the list?"
"Doesn't bother me, I can jack off on the bus again!"
It's not about the justice of the laws. It's about the profit of the prison industry who want more people in jail for longer sentences.
Instead of voting for the disastrous and misrepresented policies of the corrupt republicans, they may vote for the only partly corrupted, far, far better democrats.
You're no less a partisan hack for calling two unequal things equal than for calling an equal thing unequal.
For just one example, look at the government borrowing in the last 50 years and compare the republicans to the democrats. There's no comparison.
Famous last words by so many democrats prior to an election. Probably why so many need to go into therapy after Republicans win an election. This is in no way a defense of Bush or Republicans, but some of you people in coastal cities or college towns need to step outside your little world and realize that "everyone you talk to" is only a small slice of the American political landscape. I forget who it was in Hollywood after Reagan beat Mondale in a landslide that said "How couldReagan win...I dont know anybody that voted for Reagan".
Maybe you need to read the historic stomping the democrats gave the republicans in the last election - the Senate won against huge odds, not a single democrat lost.
You are blind if you think the rich lawyers with the D next to their name are any different than the rich lawyers with the R next to their name.
Chunkee
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This man speaks the truth.... all are scum. Start limiting terms, actually enforce checks and balances, and take away the "opiated" masses that reside in this country or take away their beer and cigarettes and NASCAR, maybe they will start paying attention...
BoberFett
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Oh look, here comes Craig the ever faithful Democrat apologist again.
"But but but, the Democrats aren't as corrupt as the Republicans..."
as if that excuses their corruption and the fact that they're simply beholden to a different set of interests than the Republicans. If people keep voting for the two incumbent parties nothing will change. The balance of power may shift slightly every couple years, but the Republicrats will remain firmly entrenched and things will keep getting worse. Each new set of Washington politicians will increase the size and scope of the federal government and pave the way for the future politicians to abuse their power. And in case Craig doesn't understand what I just wrote, I'll translate for him.
Baaaaa Craig, baaaaaaaaaaa . Baaaaa. Baaaaaaaa. Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
"But but but, the Democrats aren't as corrupt as the Republicans..."
as if that excuses their corruption and the fact that they're simply beholden to a different set of interests than the Republicans. If people keep voting for the two incumbent parties nothing will change. The balance of power may shift slightly every couple years, but the Republicrats will remain firmly entrenched and things will keep getting worse. Each new set of Washington politicians will increase the size and scope of the federal government and pave the way for the future politicians to abuse their power. And in case Craig doesn't understand what I just wrote, I'll translate for him.
Baaaaa Craig, baaaaaaaaaaa . Baaaaa. Baaaaaaaa. Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
I think you missed my point. Dont assume that because "everyone you talk to" believes like you do, that you are in the clear majority. The last election was the result of disenchanted conservatives staying home. If a conservative candidate is put foward that conservatives can believe in, they will come back into the fold, and democrats may once again find themselves surprised.
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