Why do they have dual Radiator on closed looped coolers?

imaheadcase

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I get the general idea is better cooling, but all the tests or roundups of closed looped coolers they don't actually perform better. Is some other draw to them the reason im not seeing?

I'm about to do a minor upgrade to PC, getting new motherboard/cpu/memory..so shopping for one. The "issue" is i have the Node 804 case, a single radiator is easy to fit..but dual ones take up quite a bit of room..even though some will work.

What is the appeal?
 

YBS1

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They do cool "better'. There are various reasons a 2x120 may not show any benefits over a 1x120 in a given test scenario though.
  • Maybe the given heat load isn't enough to overrun the smaller radiator's cooling surface area.
  • Frequently with AIO units thicker radiators are used on the 1x120mm models (Example Corsair H80).
  • Fans differences - It's possible the smaller radiator is keeping up by using better fans or simply by turning the same fans faster.
  • Push/pull rather than simply push. (Corsair H80i again, it comes with fans in a push/pull arrangement by default whereas the H100i for example is either push or pull without the purchase of additional fans.
 

master_shake_

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Is there aio vs custom water loop comparison?

What is the difference really?

Seems more like water cooler snobbery to new me.

I should do my own..

Got a 360 rad and a 240mm aio too.
 

BonzaiDuck

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Is there aio vs custom water loop comparison?

What is the difference really?

Seems more like water cooler snobbery to new me.

I should do my own..

Got a 360 rad and a 240mm aio too.

I myself am at a crossroads about this. Planning to build an i7-6700K system for full OC'ing with a "re-lidded" chip from Silicon Lottery. [That's right -- I'll spend the extra to get a drop in temperatures of between 5 and 10C, and avoid doing something the first time when it would be at "highest risk."]

I refuse to use full-tower cases anymore. I'm looking at the prospects for fitting any of these in either a (dated) CM STacker 830 or a Corsair Vengeance C70 -- whichever offers the best prospects:

Swiftech H240 X2 (AiO with custom-expansion prospects)
EKWB Predator 240 (ditto . . .)
EKWB P280 kit ("custom" in a "kit")

At the same time, for the new CPU generations for quad-Skylake, it seems that air-cooling options -- a few of them -- come close enough in performance that it would hardly matter. A hexa-core or "bigger" -- then WC would be clearly preferred.

Two of the units I mentioned are somewhere between "AiO" and "custom" because they allow for custom expansion. And I don't want an aluminum radiator, either.
 

BonzaiDuck

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i have a friend who uses an h50 on a 3930k oc'ed to 4.2

edit: it's an h60

And another forum member here -- WGusler -- built an i7-4790K system more than a year ago by ducting an H80 to the case rear while separating the fans from the radiator to eliminate the dead spots -- with good results.

I think there are a range of acceptable options for -E processors and other 140W-TDP processors which include items like a Noctua NH-D15. Another member and correspondence colleague built a Haswell-E system with an MO-RA3 external radiator:

http://shop.watercool.de/MO-RA3-420-PRO-stainless-steel/en

I think his 5820K was clocked to nearly 4.5 -- can't remember. And his temperatures stay in the 40's C. He also had a problem with a leak which destroyed at least one graphics card.
 

aigomorla

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a lot of factors play out in watercooling so you cant say 1 piece of eq is better then the other.

For example in a radiator:

1. Thickness can play a big deal. If the rad is too thick, you will need strong static fans, however if the rad is just right in thickness, you can get away with low Fins Per Inch (FPI) for quieter fans because you have larger flat tubes running down the rad.

2. Size also plays importantance. The larger the size the greater the surface area for heat dissipation. You have 1x120 vs a 2x120, of equal thinkness and FPI, which usually translates to almost double the heat dissipation, which again translates to fan noise. The 2x120 will allow you to get away with lower RPM fans for greater cooling then the 1x120.

3. restriction and flow rate. The better the flow rate the higher efficiency you have on said radiator.

4. Tube structure, is it a condenser type or flat tube type?
Well most rads are going away from the condersener type, the kind you see on an Air Conditioning unit, in more favor to flat tubes, as you have greater surface area.

That is just the radiator...


AIO vs Custom?
Your never going to see one, because the custom can get very complex to very simple. Some AIO's like swiftech is borderline Custom but still an AIO.
Then you got the very complex ones with multi loops, and multi large radiators, and well, AIO's would get slapped silly.

Will you be able to overclock better?
Probably not anymore... sad truth is processors have gotten so efficient now, that a full custom will most likely not net you as much OC headroom as a AIO depending on the chip. Do you honestly think a 5-10C's will help you?
I think you will run into voltage issues before you ran into heat issues. Chips can die from too much voltage, yet being kept cold.

Where do customs really shine?
GPU!
again GPU! and lastly GPU!
u will get a reduction of almost 1/3 - 1/2 load temps on most custom setups on a full cover block. Example.. if your gpu is running 80C loaded during a game... you will typically run 40C.

If you have a customized cooler, like asus's or msi's and it runs 60C with a Custom you will probably net 35-37C (depending on ambients).

In 90% of the scenarios, you will be voltage limited on a GPU on a custom water setup, then heat limited, and also you will effective triple the life of said gpu under a custom water cooling setup.
 

master_shake_

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I agree on the GPU part with some caveats.

Other than gigabytes octopus 3x980 and some Asus cards I haven't seen an aio that just bolts on to a card.

Well unless we are talking an Nzxt kraken.b it as far as I know it only doesthe core.

So there is hardly any data to compare