Why do the Democrats want everyone on welfare?

Discussion in 'Politics and News' started by Anarchist420, Dec 31, 2012.

  1. senttoschool

    senttoschool Golden Member

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    I pay taxes and I'm not on well-fare. Yes, there are a lot of dumb people who aren't capable of working and people who are just lazy. But there are a lot of people who work extremely hard but are just less fortunate. It's nearly impossible to distinguish between the two: hard workers who are just less fortunate or lazy fucks who don't work even though they are capable. I'm almost certain that both the GOP and democrats wish they can figure out who really needs help and who's faking it.

    Here's some food for thought: if the GOP doesn't pass laws to give more money to the rich, then there'd be less people on welfare. If there's more economic equality, then there would be less demand for welfare.

    Here's another thought: GOP has historically favored military over education. If students are more educated, then they are less likely to end up useless. If students are more educated, then America will continue to lead in technology which means America will continue to have the best and most jobs.

    Here's how America's domination can end: Rich starves the middle/lower class and even some of the low end upper class - creating a country dependent on welfare. Government cuts money in education so the next generation of kids cannot compete with international students. All of this is happening while too much attention is spent debating on things like abortion, stem cell research, gay marriage, gun laws. Hey people, getting rid of abortion/gay marriage rights aren't going to help America's economy. America's is slowly but surely heading this way. It's too obvious. Anyone with half a brain can see it.
     
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  2. kage69

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    I just came full circle with that post, thanks.

    I'm friends with a pair of brothers in Maine who are the biggest Fox watching, Bush loving, GOP voting rednecks that state may have to offer, yet both are proud at how they purposefully have used state assistance and unemployment in lieu of actual employment just because they wanted to take entire seasons off. I think they are regretting that LePage vote!
     
  3. Anarchist420

    Anarchist420 Diamond Member

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    The point is that there should be no welfare state because that stuff can be provided voluntarily.
     
  4. Incorruptible

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    Exactly, But we have way too many morons in this country who dont understand this
     
  5. HomerJS

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    What really happened was the Republican Party was stupid enough to take in stupid Democratic southern racists. Before that the GOP got almost 40% of the black vote.

    Republicans are so stupid as a party not only did they keep these people, to this day they make a comfortable home for them.

    Try reading a book so you aren't depandant on Rush Limbaugh for your history.
     
  6. Incorruptible

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    You completely ignored the part about the democrats destroying the black family but that doesn't matter as long as they offer aa and welfare along with subsidizing everyone right?
     
  7. shadow9d9

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    They aren't. Next?
     
  8. piasabird

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    More democratic voters. They want to be just like spain.
     
  9. piasabird

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    Just open up some labor camps where we can send all the welfare slaves.
     
  10. Modular

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    So it's governments job to make a level playing field? Never gonna happen, sorry. That's just a fact of life.
     
  11. sportage

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    We don't want anyone on welfare, but if and when bad things happen to good people, we want a safety net in place. Democrats maybe have built that safety net, but it was republican policies responsible for pushing people into that net. Reagan vs unions, Paul Ryan vs social security, Mitt Romney loving his tax evasion.
    You make the call just whom is to blame?

    And speaking of Reagan... how about the so called historical event that was in fact total BS. Reagan being #1 of late. Reagan never had it in his little pea like brain to call for that "wall" to be torn down. Fact is, Gorbachev intended to tear that wall down far before Reagan spoke those words. But Gorbachev knowing that make believe cowboy all too well, and how play acting was that cowboys number one desire, Gorbachev offered Reagan full credit. For a price. Scratch my back and I'll scratch yours. And thus those famed words "tear this wall down", as Gorbachev sat by with a smirk on his face. Was that Gorbachev smirk knowing all too well that Reagan would fall for the deal, or was it that Gorbachev knew Americans were just stupid enough to believe it?
    Either way, worth a big a big Gorbachev smirk.
    And thus again, history and the BIG misconception.
     
  12. HomerJS

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    Yeah because we all know black people are lazy and shiftless, unlike you enterprising white boys!

    You real name is Charles Murray, isn't it?
     
  13. Incorruptible

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    I never said black people are lazy and why do you ASSume that I am white?

    Good job ignoring the question, your democrat owners must be proud
     
  14. marvdmartian

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    There's a HUGE difference between relying on the government to provide highways, tax commerce and stand up an army, and DEPENDING on the government to provide your way of life.

    EVERYONE relies on the federal government for some things. You twist that to infer that everyone is dependent on government, to provide housing, food, etc, which simply isn't the case.

    Welfare is the modern form of slavery, where you keep a segment of people relatively quiet and subservient, by providing for their way of life, and threatening them that if they don't vote for you, the other guy will take it all away.
     
  15. ModerateRepZero

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    Voluntarily.....*snort*. I'm sure churches are overflowing with monetary and food donations, and every parent who has money also has some willingness to help any unfortunate child or friend (obligation, generosity, guilt, etc).....

    /end sarcasm
     
  16. DucatiMonster696

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    I do agree though that no one wants people on welfare but how we go about not promoting or disincentivizing such a reliance on government is the core issue.

    For many this means that to deal with such issues it does not always mean it must be through government intervention which often creates more of what those with good intentions assume they are trying to prevent, e.g. War on Drugs, War on Poverty, War on Terror, etc all have the opposite effects on society and have done little, if anything to stamp out those issues in which government has decided to intervene a wage a "WAR" against.

    It easy to say however that no one wants to see other people on welfare but what exactly is government doing (or not doing) to prevent people from being reliant and dependent on those services for the rest of their lives? How is government action actually reducing the amount of people on these services? This is those with good intentions rarely ask themselves or ask government because to often their emotions (fear, guilt, etc) get in the way of addressing the real issues at hand for whatever reasons which motivate them to continue supporting the same actions which only create more of what they claim to not want to see occuring in society.
     
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  17. Darwin333

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    To be fair, you aren't forced to pay taxes. You could always quit making an income and you would not go to jail for not paying taxes.
     
  18. lotus503

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    I disagree, I think corporate oligarchs love people on welfare. It's a way to have the government pay for what they would have to pay for absent of welfare.

    Welfare is corporate welfare by proxy.
     
  19. Incorruptible

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    Except that I and most people need to make an income to survive, not everyone is that wealthy that they have that option
     
  20. Darwin333

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    That is the way it used to be.
     
  21. DucatiMonster696

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    Do you vote democrat? I sure as hell don't (then again I haven't voted GOP at the Fed level for a while either). And using your conspiracy theory's logic you'd only be supporting the "corporate oligarchies" wishes by voting for a party that supports welfare.
     
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  22. lotus503

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    I do typically vote democrat, but I do so more because of my own denial that things are as bad as they actually are. I don't think it matter one bit who you vote for really.

    I don't have conspiracy theory logic, when you have a walmart employee not paid enough for the society in which they live obtaining welfare to subsidize to societal standards, Walmart benefits.

    If we ended welfare tomorrow, next month you would see the largest organization of labor in generations, they would be demanding more pay and more benefits. But instead Corporate Oligarchy likes welfare its a nice way for them to keep wages low for profit at the government and tax payer expense.
     
  23. HNNstyle

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    A majority of my family are republicans but they earn a good six figure living off of welfare programs such as medicaid and medicare, so I really don't understand why they're not democrats. I'm guessing they feel that they pay too much taxes.
     
  24. piasabird

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    Welfare is destroying the American Family. It was like it was designed to do just that. Is this the thing you are proud of?
     
  25. lotus503

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    We should end all welfare tomorrow it is after all another corporate subsidy.