Why do some atheists love circlejerks on a tech forum?

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Retro Rob

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Atheists worship men? Ah yes, the "Four Horseman of New Atheism" theme again.

(You'll love this!) Prove that any/all atheists worship these men. What temples or shrines have been erected in honor of these men? Are there any rites/ceremonies that are done in the worship of these men?

Honestly, you really make yourself sound desperate with posts like this.

Since when did you need a shrine to worship something? You don't, and I think everyone knows that.

It's giving reverant honor to God or any object regarded as sacred. It doesn't require a church, service, or anything.

The comment was simply to illustate that they have functioned as a group, and share one common "idea", "disbelif/non-belielf" or whatever it is.

I can worship my CD collection if I so chose.
 

Juddog

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Since when did you need a shrine to worship something? You don't, and I think everyone knows that.

It's giving reverant honor to God or any object regarded as sacred. It doesn't require a church, service, or anything.

The comment was simply to illustate that they have functioned as a group, and share one common "idea", "disbelif/non-belielf" or whatever it is.

I can worship my CD collection if I so chose.

Once again - just because a group of people share a common idea doesn't mean that they worship it. If I have a crowd of people that all believe the sky is blue, spread across the world, according to your logic they worship the sky. That's simply false.

The definition of worship is an act of religious devotion usually directed towards a deity.

Let's apply that towards your CD. Is the CD a deity? No. Are they showing religious devotion? No.

If you can't understand the basics, then you have no chance of understanding the more complex ideas built on those basics. Understand the basics first, then come back to talk.
 
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Better the cosmological crap and the "it's too complex to be random" than the Apologists* and their "well, the Bible's true because the Bible says..." crap.

*Doesn't mean what it says it means. They apologize for nothing. Because Bible.

I'm not sure it's better or more thought though, just longer.
 

Joseph F

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Why this motherfucker is not banned I will never know, but for anyone interested in who the fuck this lying piece of shit is, enjoy.



JakeAgnew/PowerSwede on bodybuilding.com:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=140590701&page=1

Probably ImproperOne on bodybuilding.com:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=143478143

Klixxer on FedoraForum (linked from the bodybuilding.com JakeAgnew thread):

http://fedoraforum.org/forum/showpost.php?p=499269&postcount=53

Klixxer on AT, receiving endorsement from Omnipotent Overlord Perknose:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=13563700#post13563700




So at various times, this lying piece of shit has claimed service as a member of the IDF, the Swedish navy, the German army, and of course, the SAS. Also claims service as "a UN soldier," whatever the fuck that means. Conveniently for JoS/JakeAgnew/PowerSwede/Klixxer, many of his units are designated "401", so he doesn't have to get a new tattoo every time he changes personalities or national allegiance.

Somehow in between his door-kicking ninja squirrel missions in service to nations around the globe, he has also managed to find the time to earn advanced degrees in law? and biochemistry, and dabbles in Swedish national championship level bodybuilding.

A real Renaissance (Recognizance?) man.

The funny thing is that I actually believe he served in some military capacity at some point in time, but he has so muddied the waters with lies on top of lies that it is impossible to decipher what is actually true. About the only thing that's clear is that his constant lying and multiple personae point to some underlying pathology. Chemical imbalance? Head injury? Who the fuck knows?

Seek help, dude. Or jump off a cliff. Either one would serve.
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Retro Rob

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Once again - just because a group of people share a common idea doesn't mean that they worship it. If I have a crowd of people that all believe the sky is blue, spread across the world, according to your logic they worship the sky. That's simply false.

The definition of worship is an act of religious devotion usually directed towards a deity.

Let's apply that towards your CD. Is the CD a deity? No. Are they showing religious devotion? No.

If you can't understand the basics, then you have no chance of understanding the more complex ideas built on those basics. Understand the basics first, then come back to talk.

Why don't you READ the link to the word worship as defined. Then you'll see no "diety" is required, niether is a religious ceremony.

Then come back and talk...
 

CVSiN

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The only thing I worship on this or any other planet are a nice set of boobs...
 

moonbogg

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Classic troll, OP. 7/10. They knew they were being trolled but they just can't resist, can they?
 

Juddog

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Why don't you READ the link to the word worship as defined. Then you'll see no "diety" is required, niether is a religious ceremony.

Then come back and talk...

Your definition still falls short and you still have yet to address even the basics.

When you learn to form a logical argument that actually represents the other side instead of a strawman, come back and talk...
 

Retro Rob

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Your definition still falls short and you still have yet to address even the basics.

When you learn to form a logical argument that actually represents the other side instead of a strawman, come back and talk...

It's not "my" definition... good grief.

You have yet to even address what worship really means. Go get some basic reading and comprehension skills, and then you can come back, and talk..
 

Dumac

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Why do they even allow religious threads on this forum. It is just a bunch of circle jerking, on both sides, with the fringes of the circles butting butts with each other.
 

Thebobo

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I don't know a single atheist that worships Richard Dawkins, nor Hitchens, nor Dennett, nor Harris. They may agree / disagree with their points, but that's it.

I dont know who any of those people are.
 

Fritzo

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No, we ARE smarter than others. Plenty of data available on this, atheists are smarter than believers and the higher the intelligence of an individual the greater the chance that person will be an atheist.


If person A drops a book and thinks "whoops, gravity is a harsh mistress" while person B drops a book and thinks "man, I wish the invisible fairy living in my shoes would stop trying to snatch things out of my hands" even bible-thumpers would agree that person B is a complete idiot. And they would also be too dumb to understand the irony.

...and you take that knowledge and rub it in the face of others in the most obnoxious way possible. That's what gives atheism a bad name.
 

alzan

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Since when did you need a shrine to worship something? You don't, and I think everyone knows that.

It's giving reverant honor to God or any object regarded as sacred. It doesn't require a church, service, or anything.

The comment was simply to illustate that they have functioned as a group, and share one common "idea", "disbelif/non-belielf" or whatever it is.

I can worship my CD collection if I so chose.

You certainly don't need shrines/temples to worship a deity or sacred object yet an awful lot of them have been built and an awful lot of worship goes on in and around them. I think if you asked people ala Family Feud-style "Name a place people worship G-d" the vast majority of them would say church and/or temple. Most people use the colloquial definition of the word; and while it's accurate it's not the strict dictionary definition.

Wouldn't that be breaking one of the big Ten?:D
 

destrekor

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...and you take that knowledge and rub it in the face of others in the most obnoxious way possible. That's what gives atheism a bad name.

Well, there's not really a non-obnoxious way to point it out when having a discussion about that very topic.

And I agree... is it harmful to the message being brandied about?
Is it "disgraceful" and/or shady to even bring it up?

Sure.

But aren't we all striving to move beyond a P.C. limited world? Where we are all passive, soft, and refraining from potentially-offensive discussion points?

Anyone who is semi-intelligent, at the minimum, should be aware that such research studies obviously account for bell curves and the naturally-occurring breakers of convention. There will obviously be individuals who are both religious and far more intelligent than the average atheist. And the reverse holds true: some atheists will be even more ridiculously retarded than the worst religious offenders. ;)

But the research points generally hold true. Another one that holds true: the most self-actualized, most worldly-aware, most self-aware, most self-sacrificing, self-giving, (& etc) individuals are, more often than not, agnostic-atheist or agnostic in general.

Is it necessarily meant to be a slam against the religious? Yes and no. Not all atheists wield it in such a negative fashion. It's also a message stating a dedication to the species' salvation, regardless of consequences and what the future holds. The intellectuals who strive to "enlighten" the world don't often do so with an intent to demonize the religious, rather, they do so with positive intentions meant to lift the spirits of those who question things around them yet are painted in a negative light by those who demonize questioning in of itself; they seek to tear down the walls of misery, strife, hunger, war, and hell while we're at it, the walls of nations and religious factions, in the effort to bring together the species, shove religious beliefs into the homes (and lock them there), and point civilization toward a road of prosperity, hope, togetherness, and progress.

Yes, unfortunately that sounds, appallingly, like Obama's campaigns (I did not intent that, nor did I just mean to "slam" said campaign messages - I was just hoping to paint a positive light on this post but unwittingly stumbled upon cliched messages :p and no... I will not change anything.).

Point being - some/many atheists, even the most vocal and offensive, honestly are looking toward a much brighter future. Sometimes, it takes being offensive, direct, and very much to the point (in their/our opinion), in order to better realize that goal. But the spirit behind things, the logic and reasoning, is ultimately fueled by the greater good.

You don't understand how much damnation such types once suffered at the hands of the powerful and religious, and that sometimes still occurs today.
These vocal types aren't pushing their opinions out to stigmatize others simply for the hell of it; they are very much putting their own necks out there for the world to cut, risking their lives, careers, and reputations, in the belief that they may either directly change the world, the way we see things, or at the least, influence future generations to do the same.


Is there much negativity to find in the more recent atheist "movement"?
Undoubtedly.

Is there much in the way of positives and enlightenment to be found? Only if you are willing to accept such - otherwise, continue to distract and damn these individuals for all eternity. Maybe enough will be saved from their heathenism, maybe enough will be prevented from seeing the dark light, wasting away and never committing to a more globally positive message, destined only to be punished with eternal damnation by an uncaring zealot who cares not for global prosperity but rather a globally united front of followers... damned all those other religions who also happen to believe the same. ;)
 

IronWing

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I, I volunteer to lead the atheists. Let me get a Paypal account set up and we'll be on our way! We need a logo. I mean the Christians got logos, we should have one.
 

JackBurton

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I, I volunteer to lead the atheists. Let me get a Paypal account set up and we'll be on our way! We need a logo. I mean the Christians got logos, we should have one.

Bad move man. I'm leading the Christians. What Jesus? You want all of your followers to donate $100 each to my Paypal account? But why? Because I am the new messiah? Well, that's good enough for me.

Alright people, let the donations begin.
 

destrekor

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I, I volunteer to lead the atheists. Let me get a Paypal account set up and we'll be on our way! We need a logo. I mean the Christians got logos, we should have one.

But... Jeff7 is supposed to be the one to lead us to that place that we're all supposed to go to following that thing.

What am are supposed to tell him? That he, as The Prophet, has been usurped by another self-professed prophet?


Do we have meetings or votes that I perhaps missed? I'd feel bad if that were the case, but I probably wouldn't care.
 

GagHalfrunt

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...and you take that knowledge and rub it in the face of others in the most obnoxious way possible. That's what gives atheism a bad name.

I admit that don't know of a polite way to tell someone that they're delusional and that their entire belief system is based on a bunch of fairy tales. I also admit that I have not looked very hard for a way to do it.

And I most definitely and freely admit that I don't give 1/10th of one iota of a shit about some bible thumper getting his feelings hurt in a thread titled "Why do some atheists love circlejerks on a tech forum?". Don't pick fights with people smarter and better informed than yourself and if you get your ass kicked as a result, learn from that and don't let it happen again. Sadly, like dogs chasing skunks, it seems the the biggest religious zealots are the ones most incapable of learning from their past mistakes.
 

destrekor

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I admit that don't know of a polite way to tell someone that they're delusional and that their entire belief system is based on a bunch of fairy tales. I also admit that I have not looked very hard for a way to do it.

And I most definitely and freely admit that I don't give 1/10th of one iota of a shit about some bible thumper getting his feelings hurt in a thread titled "Why do some atheists love circlejerks on a tech forum?". Don't pick fights with people smarter and better informed than yourself and if you get your ass kicked as a result, learn from that and don't let it happen again. Sadly, like dogs chasing skunks, it seems the the biggest religious zealots are the ones most incapable of learning from their past mistakes.

Let's be fair - the least intelligent among us often think they are the most gifted members of society.

And the zealots often find "holes" in our "reasoning" that they cut and paste and distribute among their cohorts, with which they supposedly all find the most hilarious thing ever discovered.
They miss the obvious in our posts, declare widely-accepted fact "obviously wrong", and then go on to "laugh at our ignorance" - which is to say, they laugh at our expense, in their eyes.
Which, ironically, goes against a large portion of the belief they supposedly hold so close and dear. :biggrin:

Also: if we remotely suggest we are atheist through what we say, we are almost automatically labeled "liberal" and slammed for everything we stand for. Even if, for whatever reason, such person claims a conservative stance on governmental affairs.
True, it's not significantly common, but it does occur. I once followed that road, but lately have merged into the middle of the road, and the sign overhead states Libertarianism is somewhere in the distance, my lane exits that way.
I'm mostly a middle of the road guy. Everyone has good ideas, and everyone makes a fool of himself with ridiculous concepts that deserve a good hanging. :D
Honestly. Hangings work, we should do more of them. Stocks and, hell, a good racking worked well enough too - so long as due process and justice was afforded the accused (which often was not). :p
 

Jeff7

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But... Jeff7 is supposed to be the one to lead us to that place that we're all supposed to go to following that thing.

What am are supposed to tell him? That he, as The Prophet, has been usurped by another self-professed prophet?


Do we have meetings or votes that I perhaps missed? I'd feel bad if that were the case, but I probably wouldn't care.
Awww shucks, you guyyyyyssssss....:wub:

Ironwing is fine too. He's a geologist, so, you know, he's qualified to do that kind of prophecy stuff. :sneaky:


So it is written, that I hath wrote the writ which is written.

You heard me!



And, as a nominee for your Prophet, this is truly an excellent circle jerk. I say this without having read any of the thread, save for that which called my name - not for my great faith, but for the boundless pools of godless spooge which abound all around.
:awe:
 
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IronWing

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Let's be fair - the least intelligent among us often think they are the most gifted members of society.

And the zealots often find "holes" in our "reasoning" that they cut and paste and distribute among their cohorts, with which they supposedly all find the most hilarious thing ever discovered.
They miss the obvious in our posts, declare widely-accepted fact "obviously wrong", and then go on to "laugh at our ignorance" - which is to say, they laugh at our expense, in their eyes.
Which, ironically, goes against a large portion of the belief they supposedly hold so close and dear. :biggrin:

Also: if we remotely suggest we are atheist through what we say, we are almost automatically labeled "liberal" and slammed for everything we stand for. Even if, for whatever reason, such person claims a conservative stance on governmental affairs.
True, it's not significantly common, but it does occur. I once followed that road, but lately have merged into the middle of the road, and the sign overhead states Libertarianism is somewhere in the distance, my lane exits that way.
I'm mostly a middle of the road guy. Everyone has good ideas, and everyone makes a fool of himself with ridiculous concepts that deserve a good hanging. :D
Honestly. Hangings work, we should do more of them. Stocks and, hell, a good racking worked well enough too - so long as due process and justice was afforded the accused (which often was not). :p
IRL, most outspoken atheists I have known (not all that many, really) have been hardcore libertarians.
 

destrekor

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Awww shucks, you guyyyyyssssss....:wub:

Ironwing is fine too. He's a geologist, so, you know, he's qualified to do that kind of prophecy stuff. :sneaky:


So it is written, that I hath wrote the writ which is written.

You heard me!



And, as a nominee for your Prophet, this is truly an excellent circle jerk. I say this without having read any of the thread, save for that which called my name - not for my great faith, but for the boundless pools of godless spooge which abound all around.
:awe:

I knew it - you have certain abilities that automagically notify yourself when the name which shall not be spake, though of which I today speaketh, hath been spoken.

You always appear at such moments.


Do I, like, eat something signifying you or somesuch? Perhaps, garlic bread, tomato sauce?
Do you have a preference? As long as it does not grow upon this Earth as a green plant of the vegetable kind, I shall sacrifice a moment in time, in honor and, err, remembrance, by partaking in said consumable.

Alcohol also works, if that is more up your alley, good sir o' prophet who hath stepped down from upon the prophet's throne.
 

Jeff7

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I knew it - you have certain abilities that automagically notify yourself when the name which shall not be spake, though of which I today speaketh, hath been spoken.

You always appear at such moments.


Do I, like, eat something signifying you or somesuch? Perhaps, garlic bread, tomato sauce?
Do you have a preference? As long as it does not grow upon this Earth as a green plant of the vegetable kind, I shall sacrifice a moment in time, in honor and, err, remembrance, by partaking in said consumable.

Alcohol also works, if that is more up your alley, good sir o' prophet who hath stepped down from upon the prophet's throne.
I seriously hadn't checked out this thread until 31 minutes after you posted that. Incidentally, 31 is a prime number.

I'm not a big fan of garlic. Nasty, lingering aftertaste. Bam, **Unclean!**
Well, unless you do the blessing ritual first. But I'm not going to tell you how to do that. Just hope that you don't get it wrong. Otherwise....you know, bad things and all that. I s'pose.

And I'm also going to lift all unusual rules and restrictions previously affixed to virgins.

I also don't do much with alcohol, but you may partake of the alcohols, for they are but simple combinations of hydrogen, carbon, and oxygen.


See that? I can be a benevolent sort. IronWing agrees. Because he knows what's best for him. Isn't that right?