why do so many people think they know better than thomas jefferson?

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Anarchist420

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i am sure he would be among the first to say that i am an idiot and eloquently describe me as so, but please read this and tell me why you think you know better than he does:
That ideas should freely spread from one to another over the globe, for the moral and mutual instruction of man, and improvement of his condition, seems to have been peculiarly and benevolently designed by nature, when she made them, like fire, expansible over all space, without lessening their density in any point, and like the air in which we breathe, move, and have our physical being, incapable of confinement or exclusive appropriation. Inventions then cannot, in nature, be a subject of property. Society may give an exclusive right to the profits arising from them, as an encouragement to men to pursue ideas which may produce utility, but this may or may not be done, according to the will and convenience of the society, without claim or complaint from anybody. Accordingly, it is a fact, as far as I am informed, that England was, until we copied her, the only country on earth which ever, by a general law, gave a legal right to the exclusive use of an idea. In some other countries it is sometimes done, in a great case, and by a special and personal act, but, generally speaking, other nations have thought that these monopolies produce more embarrassment than advantage to society; and it may be observed that the nations which refuse monopolies of invention, are as fruitful as England in new and useful devices. - Letter to Isaac McPherson, August 13, 1813

while one could maybe interpret his statement to mean that a small amount of ip legislation is okay or even yields some new and useful devices occasionally, i dont see how anyone could think the ip system we have now improves the quality of life more than the no ip would

and ben franklin believed that ip held up advancement of humanity. john carmack is at least mostly opposed to ip. tesla opposed ip. so 4 of the smartest men to ever live thought that ip was not necessary for new and useful devices. and i realize that thomas edison loved ip, but i think that may have been because he wanted quick easy money
 

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Everything is either relative or relates back to a Brad Pitt movie, such is P&N.

There's way more wrong said about Edison than ever documented about Jefferson. That many high school teachers credit Edison with some of Teslas inventions (having never heard of him) is actually scary, so it's not just about IP.

However, I don't think the Edison vs. Tesla story is going away any time soon, in fact, it's one for the ages.

The true story of Nikola Tesla, excellent movie starring Orson Wells.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0GaDmuFtBQ
 

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Commie lol. I personally think ideas both patent and especially copyright are protected too long. But really since patents/trademarks/copyright human kind has advanced exponentially due to profit motive in discovery. In famous Historians Neiil's Furgesons - “Civilization: The West and the Rest" which speaks to the West's 500 years of global dominance - protecting intelligent works was one of the west's 6 "killer apps" or "institutions" that made it possible. Now all successful countries copy us, yes even China.

Like most things in life it's a shade of grey.
 
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Anarchist420

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Commie lol. I personally think ideas both patent and especially copyright are protected too long. But really since patents/trademarks/copyright human kind has advanced exponentially due to profit motive in discovery. In famous Historians Neiil's Furgesons - “Civilization: The West and the Rest" which speaks to the West's 500 years of global dominance - protecting intelligent works was one of the west's 6 "killer apps" or "institutions" that made it possible. Now all successful countries copy us, yes even China. Like most things in life it's a shade of grey.
i like niall ferguson. but why do you think the State can make a balanced ip system?
 

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State is enshrined with protection and enforcement like IP mob so has to play a role. Preferably with consent of governed which is not happening under our current system and I think they are too long.
 

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Limited time. Patents are perfectly fine, except in perpetuity.
 

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Because, like many things in Thomas Jefferson's life, he was a hypocrite who said one thing and did another.

He was for small government, until he could make it bigger.

He was for financial piety, until he had to stop spending, personally and federally.

He was for personal freedom, until he had to free his own people.

He was for free enterprise, until he failed in every one of his own, then he sold his library to the state to raise funds. Then he protected such free enterprise with federal funds.

Like most libertopian beliefs, good on paper, bad in practice.
 

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because the US is led by this guy in the pic on the left:
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This has nothing to do with the OP, and as such, is thread crapping.

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it isnt that there shouldnt be ip, they just have to be smarter about which is patented so you dont get completely stupid patents like "one click checkout". elon musk didnt open all of teslas ip out of personal philosophy, he did it because the tesla needs help developing the electric car industry. also i dont think we know exactly what the terms are.
 

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While I don't discount his role in the forming of the United States Jefferson I think a bit too much stock is put into a lot of what he said. He himself found many of his own policies untenable during his presidency. One of many examples: He wanted a small, tiny navy as to not need governmental funding. This caused more than a few issues with the Barbary pirates and he was forced to go against what he had long campaigned against.

So even Thomas Jefferson didn't know better than Thomas Jefferson
 

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Because, like many things in Thomas Jefferson's life, he was a hypocrite who said one thing and did another.
thanks for replying:) he wasnt any more of a hypocrite than most other people. george washington only supported independence because he got burned by tariffs, then the first thing he did as president was not only start tariffs over here, he then raised them 2 more times.
He was for small government, until he could make it bigger.
you consider repealing the alien and sedition acts, reducing bureaucracy, repealing all internal taxes, and repealing legal to be making government bigger than adams and washington made it? just wondering, not trying to be a dickhead:)
He was for financial piety, until he had to stop spending, personally and federally.
he spent a lot less as president than his two predecessors did. and why should it matter whether he spent a lot in his personal life?
He was for personal freedom, until he had to free his own people.
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He was for free enterprise, until he failed in every one of his own, then he sold his library to the state to raise funds. Then he protected such free enterprise with federal funds.
he successfully completed monticello and he was an excellent host to people who came there. he invented the swivel chair
Like most libertopian beliefs, good on paper, bad in practice.
communism/fascism failed too. monarchism failed before communism/fascism did. the roman republic got too big before monarchies failed. few people are satisfied with the statist government we have today. most americans were anti-federalists. the democratic party was the most popular party and it was libertarian until wilson ruined it.

i am not saying confederalism works. but then the State doesnt work either and at least anarcho-confederalism doesnt have the power to murder and rob people from the top down.
 
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