Why do so many Muslims turn to terrorism to get their issues heard?

[dahunan]

The Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Palestine, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia <<CONSTANT and Never Ending Terrorist Breeding Grounds and Terrorist Targets.....

Chechnya


Sure seems scary to me..

Also, I have heard over and over again that Muslims have one main goal and they will die for it.... to convert the whole world to Islam or kill all who resist.. any truth to that?

 

[MC]

Do you have any proof of all those contries that you listed?

Or do you just listed them as you HEARD them before?

Also, I have heard over and over again that Muslims have one main goal and they will die for it.... to convert the whole world to Islam or kill all who resist.. any truth to that?

I've HEARD U.S. are actually going after Iraq's oil not Saddam.

 

[Judgement]

Originally posted by: dahunan
The Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Palestine, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia <<CONSTANT and Never Ending Terrorist Breeding Grounds and Terrorist Targets.....

Chechnya


Sure seems scary to me..

Also, I have heard over and over again that Muslims have one main goal and they will die for it.... to convert the whole world to Islam or kill all who resist.. any truth to that?

Your assumptions about Muslims are definately a big stretch but I see what you're trying to say.

I believe the reason that some Muslims turn to terrorism to get their issues heard is that most of them have been at constant war for centuries, not to mention being led by ruthless dictators who will brainwash them into commiting acts of terror in the name of their religion. (Saddam)

Others may not like the current state of things and feel they have no other method to bring about changes. (Palestine)

If not a dictator, then a Muslim extremeist who has beliefs based on taking religious writings out of context and convincing people, whom eventually become their followers, their skewed view of the religion. (Osama)

 

[RossGr]

Do you really think we would have fought this war if there were no oil in Iraq?

Edit, on topic comment:

I do not believe that the hatred displayed by the ME Islams is inherent in the religion. There is a Muslim mosque in my small western town, and has been for 20yrs, it is never been a source of hatred as far as I can tell. I think there are factions with an agenda, that like all vocal minorities make enough noise that it seems to be a larger faction. I personally think fundamentalist of ALL religions should be shipped to a small desert island somewhere far away from the rest of us.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: MC
Do you have any proof of all those contries that you listed?

Or do you just listed them as you HEARD them before?

Also, I have heard over and over again that Muslims have one main goal and they will die for it.... to convert the whole world to Islam or kill all who resist.. any truth to that?

I've HEARD U.S. are actually going after Iraq's oil not Saddam.

Nah, we have enough since we now control Kuwaits reserve from when we colonialized them....

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: RossGr
Do you really think we would have fought this war if there were no oil in Iraq?

exactly, I for one can't wait for that Afghani and Haiti oil to hit the market already....

 

[MC]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: MC
Do you have any proof of all those contries that you listed?

Or do you just listed them as you HEARD them before?

Also, I have heard over and over again that Muslims have one main goal and they will die for it.... to convert the whole world to Islam or kill all who resist.. any truth to that?

I've HEARD U.S. are actually going after Iraq's oil not Saddam.

Nah, we have enough since we now control Kuwaits reserve from when we colonialized them....

 

[yllus]

Hypothetical situation.

The Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Palestine, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia. Let's call them "Asia" as a group for simplicity's sake. Let's say Asia and North America of today switch places. Asia is the world's technological powerhouse, first-world industrial nations and democracy abounds. North America, though filled with the same population, is in the doldrums like much of Asia is today.

With the exact same issues in place, would Christians turn to terrorism to get their issues heard? It's not like it's totally unheard of even today. What we have is a predominantly poor, oppressed people with no hopes of life getting better in the forseeable future. Perfect breeding grounds for extremist religion and scapegoating of the West by mullahs who see this as an easy way to gather a flock and gain power in their communities. This sort of thing has happened for centuries mostly regardless of religion.

 

[zer0burn]

doenst seem like US has enough. I find it funny they can protect the oil ministry building from day 1 that they entered baghdad but couldnt protect the musems even when pentagon had recieved messages asking them to even before they entered Baghdad...

 

[Mrburns2007]

Most terrorist are really lousy muslims they usually break most of there own "commandments". It's like christians that shoot abortion doctors, there wraped a little to tight.

 

[kleinesarschloch]

there are/were just as many terrorist organizations in western countries. IRA, RAF, ETA, Iparretarrak, ARB, FLNC, KKK, SNLA and countless other groups.

 

[rickn]

I don't think it is the religion as much as it is the economic and political structure of those countries.

 

[Tates]

This shines some light on the question...

 

[milagro]

You turn to whatever "power" you have....and if you're an uneducated but passionate teenager in a poor country, vindication can be a drug

 

[aznparty]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: RossGr
Do you really think we would have fought this war if there were no oil in Iraq?

exactly, I for one can't wait for that Afghani and Haiti oil to hit the market already....

yes they will come soon, please stand out side and wait for the oil trucks to come by. If the US was so damn paranoid about communism, it won't be in all its mess today with Afghanistan and Iraq.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: aznparty

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: RossGr
Do you really think we would have fought this war if there were no oil in Iraq?

exactly, I for one can't wait for that Afghani and Haiti oil to hit the market already....

yes they will come soon, please stand out side and wait for the oil trucks to come by. If the US was so damn paranoid about communism, it won't be in all its mess today with Afghanistan and Iraq.

Ok that was beyond stupid. The doctrine about resisting the spread of communism everywhere is what has saved much of Europe and Asia from being an absolute cesspool today. You don't see Russia in a big rush to get back into communism, do you?

No offense man, but do some reading - I recommend The First Directorate by Oleg Kalugin, a major general in the KGB/Russian Army. The Cold War had some absolutely awful spinoff effects but it was definitely a war worth fighting.

 

[drewshin]

why are most criminals poorer, uneducated people? they feel like they dont have any other alternative, or dont know that they do have better alternatives to get themselves heard.

sure, they happen to be muslims, but they're also mainly poor uneducated people.
and why do you say "so many", i would say that less than one tenth of one percent of the arab population has turned to terrorism to get their issues heard, do you have a better number?

your question is like asking, why do so many black people turn to crime, is it because they're black?

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: dahunan
The Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Palestine, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia <<CONSTANT and Never Ending Terrorist Breeding Grounds and Terrorist Targets.....

Chechnya


Sure seems scary to me..

Also, I have heard over and over again that Muslims have one main goal and they will die for it.... to convert the whole world to Islam or kill all who resist.. any truth to that?

You do have a point. The VAST majority of airline hijackings over the years have been by muslims.

I've heard that one reason is because many of the more radical muslims interpret a line in the Koran "die by the sword" to mean to die fighting for their cause.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: drewshin
why are most criminals poorer, uneducated people? they feel like they dont have any other alternative, or dont know that they do have better alternatives to get themselves heard.

sure, they happen to be muslims, but they're also mainly poor uneducated people.
and why do you say "so many", i would say that less than one tenth of one percent of the arab population has turned to terrorism to get their issues heard, do you have a better number?

your question is like asking, why do so many black people turn to crime, is it because they're black?

No, it wouldn't be. You throw in the rolling eyes as a condescending note, but actually, he has a valid point. Think about it: what percentage of crime in the US (just for reference) is committed by blacks. I think somewhere in the region of 50 - 60%. How much of terrorism worldwide is committed by Muslim extremists? 90% or more I'd bet. His point is fully valid. If you walk down a dark street in Chicago and see a group of poor black people walking towards you, are you more or less scared than if you saw a group of poor white people walking towards you? If you're on a plane, do you give a second thought to 99.9% of the passengers on the plane? Do you give the Arabs on the flight a second thought? You can call me racist if you want, I just look at probabilities. The probability of a poor black man being a thief is far greater than a poor white guy being a thief. Likewise, the possibility of a Caucasian, Asian or black person hijacking a plane is basically 0, while the possibility of an Arab person hijacking the plane is much greater (1 in 10 million or so, vs. 1 in several tens of billions, if not more).

Many people throughout history have followed their religions into wars and death. It's not uncommon. However, the Arab situation is especially complicated by three factors:
1) Many Arab Muslims are excruciatingly poor, leaving them with religion as a crutch
2) Their ridiculous religion's main book repeatedly (yes, I have done my research) advocates killing Jews and Christians. I can say ridiculous because I think all religion is pretty ridiculous, Islam is just especially ridiculous because of the kinds of things that it advocates. Compare the Christian Bible to the Koran and tell me which one you think is more likely to foster crazies. Sorry guys, it's the truth. Before a bunch of Muslims come in here and start flaming the crap out of this, note that I'm agnostic (as in I would be atheist, but believing that there is no god sounds too much like a belief to me). I don't see your idea of religion as any more of a joke than any other. However, having read many passages from the Koran, I can pretty securely say that whoever wrote it was f***ed up. You find me a single passage in the Christian or Jewish bible that suggests that killing off all Muslims is an okay thing to do and I'll take back my words.
3) Their religion recommends a lifestyle QUITE different (almost completely opposite) from the lifestyle they think Americans live. They see us living lives of utter sin and that only further justifies their religion's assertion that we should be wiped off the face fo teh earth. To them, we're like a modern-day Sodom and Gomorrah. Why would they hesitate in killing us? We're just a bunch of crazed sinners.

 

[aznparty]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: aznparty

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: RossGr
Do you really think we would have fought this war if there were no oil in Iraq?

exactly, I for one can't wait for that Afghani and Haiti oil to hit the market already....

yes they will come soon, please stand out side and wait for the oil trucks to come by. If the US was so damn paranoid about communism, it won't be in all its mess today with Afghanistan and Iraq.

Ok that was beyond stupid. The doctrine about resisting the spread of communism everywhere is what has saved much of Europe and Asia from being an absolute cesspool today. You don't see Russia in a big rush to get back into communism, do you?

No offense man, but do some reading - I recommend The First Directorate by Oleg Kalugin, a major general in the KGB/Russian Army. The Cold War had some absolutely awful spinoff effects but it was definitely a war worth fighting.

resisting doesnt mean you have to go and support other dictators just because they are against communism. and just how many country did the US save from communism? NK? Vietnam? China?? Most eastern European country were still under communist rule until the fall of communism in Russia.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: aznparty


resisting doesnt mean you have to go and support other dictators just because they are against communism. and just how many country did the US save from communism? NK? Vietnam? China?? Most eastern European country were still under communist rule until the fall of communism in Russia.

Actually, it was the fall of communism in the Soviet Union. And it collapsed due to intense pressure from the United States for 45 years. The US and the SU engaged in a spending war during the cold war, and the SU basically went bankrupt and collapsed from the inside out.

 

[aznparty]

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: aznparty


resisting doesnt mean you have to go and support other dictators just because they are against communism. and just how many country did the US save from communism? NK? Vietnam? China?? Most eastern European country were still under communist rule until the fall of communism in Russia.

Actually, it was the fall of communism in the Soviet Union. And it collapsed due to intense pressure from the United States for 45 years. The US and the SU engaged in a spending war during the cold war, and the SU basically went bankrupt and collapsed from the inside out.

Partly from US pressure and mainly from their inefficient backward economic system. With their style of state controlled economy, they were bound to collapse.

 

[sandorski]

In the eyes of a terrorist they probably think of themselves as a form of vigilante. There has been/is state sponsered terrorists, but all too often terrorists are groups that act alone.

Traditionally, terrorists were more of a Domestic issue(remember KKK or Tim McVeigh in the US). What sets Islamic terrorism apart is the International form it has. In short, Muslims didn't invent terrorism, they certainly are not the only group to have used terrorism, but they have been the most successful at making terrorism work as a weapon on the International stage.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

It has nothing to do with the religion, but it is undeniable that the religion is used as an excuse. When you have a population of poor, uneducated and desperate people, it is easy to convince them that performing an act or terrorism will provide them with a place in heaven. And then factor in the US. We're the ones who put, and keep in power, despotic regimes such as the Sauds and Hosni Mubarak in Egypt. And then there is Isreal. When you see people shooting at you from American made weaponry, who do you blame? We abandoned the Iraqi's when they tried to rebel after the first Gulf War and let them get slaughtered. We abandoned Afghanistan after arming them to fight the Russians, and now that we "liberated" them again, how is their country doing? Who even remembers Afghanistan now that Iraq is in the spotlight? It's in chaos, and the puppet Karzai cannot even leave Kabul. Face it, the selfishness of the US is a good reason for the hatred directed towards it, not our way of life. If they hated democracy, why not attack European countries, they are much more liberal and hedonistic than we are? The "it's our way of life" argument is bull$hit. As for the "Islam is inherently violent and wants to convert the world" argument, that is also crap. The Inquisition, the Crusades, the forced conversions of natives in the New World (the Americas), were all initiated by Christians. How many millions died in those little religion driven endevors? How many people have died as a cause of "Islamic" Terrorism? 3000+ on 9/11? A few thousand Isreali's in a conflict involving an illegal occupation where many more Palestinians continue to be killed? A few hundred in misselanious terrorists attacks? The total cannot be over 10,000. The US has killed more people than that in a few hours. In the history of the world, the amount of death caused by "Islamic terrorists" is not even a blip on the radar. Try and deny that.

 

[RossGr]

The probability of a poor black man being a thief is far greater than a poor white guy being a thief.

Now if you included the probability of a rich white guy being a thief....

This really a dubvious statement. Do you have any meaningful statisics to back it up? The fact that a middle class white is "afraid" of a black says nothing of the moral charater of blacks in general or even specificly. I would consider the above statement racist.