Why do so many gamers have such crappy monitors?

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

In that case a 50 inch 1080P Pioneer Kuro or Panasonic plasma sh!ts all over a 1080P IPS monitor. Chances are gamers who want the best compromise between IQ and resolution (and can afford it) will get a 2560x1600 monitor, which by default tends to be IPS. Otherwise, for movies and games Plasma > LCD/LED any day .

Personally I could never justify spending $1k on a 30 inch LCD when I can get a superior (in my eyes) 50 inch Plasma for games. Of course, you are probably starting to see a trend: opinions are not facts; and hence people are going to have a difference of opinions. :thumbsup:

I'm sure most hardcore gamers here would use the argument of the Plasma TVs having low response times. After all, the newest IPS monitors are very decent in that aspect when they use RTC technology. While I can't really notice the difference in response time and would rather go PVA because of its price, I can definitely notice pixelation. 1280x720 on a 32" TV just looks bad to me; I can't imagine 1920x1080 would fare better on a 50" TV, especially since I sit rather close (~5-6' away).

The bad thing is there's probably always gonna be a huge price premium for resolutions over 1920x1200. The cheapest 27" 2560x1440 IPS monitors are just under $1000, which is way too much.

 

[RussianSensation]

The bad thing is there's probably always gonna be a huge price premium for resolutions over 1920x1200. The cheapest 27" 2560x1440 IPS monitors are just under $1000, which is way too much.

Iirc, the next generation HD standard will be 2160P. Once TVs shift to that resolution, it'll be a matter of time before we'll be able to buy a 50 inch TV with 2x the resolution of today's models for $1000. Unfortunately, rather than increasing the resolution, TV manufacturers and the industry have instead shifted towards 3D. Hopefully they'll ditch 1080P in the next 4-5 years. Also, I can see the entire Plasma vs. LCD/LED debate going the way of the dinasours if AMOLED/OLED displays become more affordable.

 

[BladeVenom]

Personally, I don't really notice ghosting or lower response times so I'll go for a nice Samsung 2333T now that it's $150 at TigerDirect. It's 1920x1080 and 23" like most TNs in that price range but being a cPVA panel it beats the hell out of them in color accuracy...

The 2333T is only 6-bit.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

The 2333T is only 6-bit.

Which as most should already know makes very little difference in color accuracy compared to the 8-bits. The point of them introducing the newer panels is that they cost less to manufacture yet with some newer technologies they're similar in terms of color accuracy. Look at the new Dell U2412M vs the Dell U2410 in that aspect and you'll see what I mean. Only think I don't like is that they're starting to make them LED.

In any case, if you're looking for the highest-end color gamuts you should forget about the 8-bit panels and go straight for the 10-bit panels in the 27" and 30" monitors.

And the panel in the 2333T should get 0.8 avg. dE when calibrated, so I'm not complaining. It craps all over the TNs when it comes to colors and contrast.

 

[Davidh373]

Smartass IPS owner answer: 'Cause they don't know any better.
Broke college gamer answer: Doood, I will pwn you with my 0.1ms TN.
Real answer: They can't justify spending the money or just don't care.

<--- IPS owner

I agree with this as well. I'm the "real answer" kinda guy. I'm hoping to get some for my system someday, but I'd rather put ~$250-$500 into performance of my machines, or even a new machine.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

I agree with this as well. I'm the "real answer" kinda guy. I'm hoping to get some for my system someday, but I'd rather put ~$250-$500 into performance of my machines, or even a new machine.

That's not really a valid excuse anymore with VA and IPS panels starting at $150 for more basic models at 1920x1080 and for ones with lots of features and 1920x1200 now going for $400. You're not paying much of a price premium, if any, anymore.

 

[Davidh373]

That's not really a valid excuse anymore with VA and IPS panels starting at $150 for more basic models at 1920x1080 and for ones with lots of features and 1920x1200 now going for $400. You're not paying much of a price premium, if any, anymore.

Hence why I said "I'd rather put ~$250-$500 into performance of my machines". I spent $160 and got an LED backlit 23" monitor. You could not get an IPS at 23" for under $400 back then. It's an excuse in that I have 3 working monitors at 1080p. I don't want to put them to waste. If you have an extra $400 to bleed on a monitor, by all means do. I know this whole machine I'm on now cost just above $600. That was my budget. So what? I'm expected to have a $200 computer so I can have an IPS? That's flat out bonkers.

Now that I've upgraded to get all the performance I want I can start to get fringe items like an SSD and a nice monitor and some things like CPU coolers and Fans. Thing is these items are not NEEDED to get decent performance out of a computer. They are items of diminished returns in terms of value per dollar.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Hence why I said "I'd rather put ~$250-$500 into performance of my machines". I spent $160 and got an LED backlit 23" monitor. You could not get an IPS at 23" for under $400 back then. It's an excuse in that I have 3 working monitors at 1080p. I don't want to put them to waste. If you have an extra $400 to bleed on a monitor, by all means do. I know this whole machine I'm on now cost just above $600. That was my budget. So what? I'm expected to have a $200 computer so I can have an IPS? That's flat out bonkers.

Now that I've upgraded to get all the performance I want I can start to get fringe items like an SSD and a nice monitor and some things like CPU coolers and Fans. Thing is these items are not NEEDED to get decent performance out of a computer. They are items of diminished returns in terms of value per dollar.

I don't get it? You can get a Samsung 2333T with a cPVA panel that smashes any TN in color accuracy, contrast and viewing angles for $150. It's 1920x1080 res and 23". Unless you're a hardcore gamer that can notice differences in response times or are into 3D I see little reason to go with TN panels anymore.

 

[vbuggy]

It's always interesting how those will argue their lack of experience to the death, once they believe (patently erroneously to any outside observer with the appropriate experience) they've achieved a certain level of leetness in their field, or just have convinced themselves whatever they've been able to buy is the best. It's a very prevalent, and detrimental, attribute of community sites.

Ultimately TN screens are generally pretty substandard. And it gets much worse when you go beyond 20". As I said, I'm not really an avid gamer and although I have a few HP Dreamcolors and Eizo's dotted around, absolute image accuracy is something I only care about when it's important for what I'm doing - which is like <5% of what I do, if that.

But a large TN bugs the hell out of me, is all I can say.

 

[muskie32]

I have and use both. IPS is nice...

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Some people just don't care.

I store music using normal MP3 compression, and not FLAC. I store photos using JPEG compression and not RAW or TIFF. For video, I'm fine with h264 or whatever codec works well with reasonably small file size.

Do I care? On some deep level, I fully understand that the quality is less. However, even knowing that, I accept the tradeoffs.

Sometimes, good enough is really just good enough.

On a different note, why do internet forums spawn obsessive types like fleas on a mangy mutt? Few minutes ago I was reading a thread discussing TIM (thermal interface material, AKA thermal paste/compound). Talk about arguing over the last 1/10 of a degree difference. Elsewhere people argue over which PSU is the best, which relegates ALL other PSUs as being "crap." They point fingers at efficiency and ripple/noise and voltage regulation, all without understanding that there may be sample variations and some of the numbers are so close as to be within the margin of error. Then I was reading some post about monitors... oh wait. :sneaky:

Agree about good enough. As to the rest, don't go confusing the issue with facts.