Why do smokers think it is okay for them to litter?

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Aceman

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<< I find it funny that the smokers in this thread seem to think they will outlive me because they smoke. Talk about assbackwards logic. >>



When did life become logical???? I make my statements from what my doctors have told me in recent physicals and from the smoking study I was a participant in. I've had it told to me twice by two different doctors that from my habits and from statistics I should be dead. But, from the actual physical data, I am healthier than most my age.

I'm not better than anyone else. I am stating what medical doctors have stated to me. Maybe because I'm not so damn anal about my health lifestyle is the reason why I'm healthy???? Ever notice that a lot of these health nuts live a shorter life than someone who has smoked drank and ate what they enjoyed eating? Look around sometime and you'll see my statement has truth to it. We're all going to die someday from something, I just decided to try and pick my death.
 

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<< Maybe because I'm not so damn anal about my health lifestyle... >>


:p Are you saying this with a straight face?
 

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When did life become logical???? I make my statements from what my doctors have told me in recent physicals and from the smoking study I was a participant in. I've had it told to me twice by two different doctors that from my habits and from statistics I should be dead. But, from the actual physical data, I am healthier than most my age.



Did they happen to remove one of your lungs and analyze it?? Hopefully they didn't get confused and accidentally put a black mitten back in your chest cavity instead of the lung - though that may be healthier I guess.
 

Murphyrulez

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Second hand smoke:

It sucks. We went to a birthday party at a bowling alley the other day for a 3 year old. 3 hours later after we got home, we all had to change our clothes because of the horrible stench coming from them. And brush our teeth to get rid of the taste. And take a shower to get it out of our hair.

But don't worry guys, just so your 'rights' aren't violated! That's all that matters!

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datalink7

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<<

<< I find it funny that the smokers in this thread seem to think they will outlive me because they smoke. Talk about assbackwards logic. >>



When did life become logical???? I make my statements from what my doctors have told me in recent physicals and from the smoking study I was a participant in. I've had it told to me twice by two different doctors that from my habits and from statistics I should be dead. But, from the actual physical data, I am healthier than most my age.

I'm not better than anyone else. I am stating what medical doctors have stated to me. Maybe because I'm not so damn anal about my health lifestyle is the reason why I'm healthy???? Ever notice that a lot of these health nuts live a shorter life than someone who has smoked drank and ate what they enjoyed eating? Look around sometime and you'll see my statement has truth to it. We're all going to die someday from something, I just decided to try and pick my death.
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Which goes to show that genetics has a lot to do with how long you live.
 

Jzero

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<< Second hand smoke:

It sucks. We went to a birthday party at a bowling alley the other day for a 3 year old. 3 hours later after we got home, we all had to change out clothes because of the horrible stench coming from them. And brush our teeth to get rid of the taste. And take a shower to get it out of our hair.

But don't worry guys, just so your 'rights' aren't violated! That's all that matters!
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LMAO. You're complaining about smoke in the bowling alley? What next, the balls are too heavy?
 

Aceman

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<< It sucks. We went to a birthday party at a bowling alley the other day for a 3 year old. 3 hours later after we got home, we all had to change out clothes because of the horrible stench coming from them. And brush our teeth to get rid of the taste. And take a shower to get it out of our hair. >>



What? No complaints about the alcohol served at the bowling alley or the foul language spoken there in front of a 3 year old? Go find a bowling alley that is smoke free. I'm sure there are some that have succombed to all you fools that believe that the second hand smoke will kill you and have made their business smoke free.
 

Murphyrulez

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<< It sucks. We went to a birthday party at a bowling alley the other day for a 3 year old. 3 hours later after we got home, we all had to change out clothes because of the horrible stench coming from them. And brush our teeth to get rid of the taste. And take a shower to get it out of our hair. >>



What? No complaints about the alcohol served at the bowling alley or the foul language spoken there in front of a 3 year old? Go find a bowling alley that is smoke free. I'm sure there are some that have succombed to all you fools that believe that the second hand smoke will kill you and have made their business smoke free.
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It was 2pm, I saw no alcohol and didn't hear any foul language. Hmmm... Got any other smart ass remarks you want to throw out?

I didn't tell you the story to state that bowling alleys should be smoke free. I told it to explain the virtues of secondhand smoke.


Mighty defensive is the smoking crowd, eh? Idiot.
 

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<< It sucks. We went to a birthday party at a bowling alley the other day for a 3 year old. 3 hours later after we got home, we all had to change out clothes because of the horrible stench coming from them. And brush our teeth to get rid of the taste. And take a shower to get it out of our hair. >>



What? No complaints about the alcohol served at the bowling alley or the foul language spoken there in front of a 3 year old? Go find a bowling alley that is smoke free. I'm sure there are some that have succombed to all you fools that believe that the second hand smoke will kill you and have made their business smoke free.
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It was 2pm, I saw no alcohol and didn't hear any foul language. Hmmm... Got any other smart ass remarks you want to throw out?

I didn't tell you the story to state that bowling alleys should be smoke free. I told it to explain the virtues of secondhand smoke.


Mighty defensive is the smoking crowd, eh? Idiot.
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Just because you didn't see alcohol or hear any foul language doesn't mean it wasn't there... idiot. Oh.. wait, it was 2pm? Sorry I forgot that the drinkers and cussers don't leave their houses (trailers?) until after 4..

(and I'm no smoker)
 

Aceman

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<< We went to a birthday party at a bowling alley the other day for a 3 year old. 3 hours later after we got home, we all had to change our clothes because of the horrible stench coming from them. And brush our teeth to get rid of the taste. And take a shower to get it out of our hair. >>



Okay, I'll buy possibly the clothes and washing hair. (Hey, it's possible in a bowling alley!) But, you brushed your teeth to get rid of the taste????????????

My God! Did you sterilize your fingers after using the house balls or did you bring your own so as not to worry about that issue?

Hey maybe you can market the Crest Whitening strips as a fix to that nasty secondhand smoke film on your teeth after a long night of bowling!!!!!!!!

Or how about Big Red gum to freshen up after getting that secondhand smoke taste in your mouth!!!!!!!!!!!

That has got to be the most idiotic thing I've heard in months!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Murphyrulez

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<< We went to a birthday party at a bowling alley the other day for a 3 year old. 3 hours later after we got home, we all had to change our clothes because of the horrible stench coming from them. And brush our teeth to get rid of the taste. And take a shower to get it out of our hair. >>



Okay, I'll buy possibly the clothes and washing hair. (Hey, it's possible in a bowling alley!) But, you brushed your teeth to get rid of the taste????????????

My God! Did you sterilize your fingers after using the house balls or did you bring your own so as not to worry about that issue?

Hey maybe you can market the Crest Whitening strips as a fix to that nasty secondhand smoke film on your teeth after a long night of bowling!!!!!!!!

Or how about Big Red gum to freshen up after getting that secondhand smoke taste in your mouth!!!!!!!!!!!

That has got to be the most idiot thing I've heard in months!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Your reply ranks right up there.

It is obvious you are a smoker. Ask any person who doesn't smoke, who has never smoked, if they can taste the secondhand smoke.

It was a birthday party for a 3 year old. We didn't bowl. If I didn't see alcohol, and didn't hear cursing, how could it affect my child who was at my side?

You call me a fool, I call you an idiot. I believe my statement stands true.
 

Murphyrulez

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Just because you didn't see alcohol or hear any foul language doesn't mean it wasn't there... idiot. Oh.. wait, it was 2pm? Sorry I forgot that the drinkers and cussers don't leave their houses (trailers?) until after 4..

(and I'm no smoker)
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You sir, are not too bright. If it didn't affect me or my family, how would I know if it was there? What difference would it make if it was there? If there is a bomb buried in your backyard, but you don't know it is there because you can't see it, how does it change your life?

Jesus, you are ignorant.
 

Aceman

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Ya know, I took your advice and talked with my sister. Figured she was a pretty good candidate to talk to.........A professor at a University, a health nut, a nonsmoker, and a person who detests my smoking and does not allow me to stay in her house while visiting due to the SMELL of residual smoke. (So I think we can rule out that she is an "idiot" or a "fool" by your definition.

Her response was "No, I've never had residual tastes of secondhand smoke unless I was kissing a guy that smoked (and that wouldn't happen)." She difinitely will change her clothes and shower after being at a bar. She asks the question though......."If this guy is so concerned about how nasty and offensive secondhand smoke is to himself and his family, why didn't he leave that environment and excuse himself because of that? He apparently lives in a small town environment like we did growing up where the bowling alley is also a place that holds wedding reception, dinners, parties and even childrens' birthday parties. He should have already known that he'd walk into a hazy smoke filled room for this party. If it were me, I'd excuse myself from the party and on my way out complain to the management of the bowling alley to see if they can air out these party rooms. They probably can't or won't, but he doesn't have to take his business there, accept and invitation to a party at that business or refer his friends to that business. We all have choices we make, Mark, you choose to smoke. I choose to not allow you in my house because of that. We're both accepting of those choices."
 

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<< Ya know, I took your advice and talked with my sister. Figured she was a pretty good candidate to talk to.........A professor at a University, a health nut, a nonsmoker, and a person who detests my smoking and does not allow me to stay in her house while visiting due to the SMELL of residual smoke. (So I think we can rule out that she is an "idiot" or a "fool" by your definition.

Her response was "No, I've never had residual tastes of secondhand smoke unless I was kissing a guy that smoked (and that wouldn't happen)." She difinitely will change her clothes and shower after being at a bar. She asks the question though......."If this guy is so concerned about how nasty and offensive secondhand smoke is to himself and his family, why didn't he leave that environment and excuse himself because of that? He apparently lives in a small town environment like we did growing up where the bowling alley is also a place that holds wedding reception, dinners, parties and even childrens' birthday parties. He should have already known that he'd walk into a hazy smoke filled room for this party. If it were me, I'd excuse myself from the party and on my way out complain to the management of the bowling alley to see if they can air out these party rooms. They probably can't or won't, but he doesn't have to take his business there, accept and invitation to a party at that business or refer his friends to that business. We all have choices we make, Mark, you choose to smoke. I choose to not allow you in my house because of that. We're both accepting of those choices."
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You obviously have alot more emotionally invested in this subject than I. Wow.

I live in a suburb of Detroit. Not exactly hickville. We were invited to a party. It wasn't a den of smokers. I really didn't even notice alot of people smoking. When we got home, we could smell it on ourselves. That's all I was saying.

Yikes.
 

Aceman

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<< You obviously have alot more emotionally invested in this subject than I. Wow. >>



Nah, I had to call her tonight on other things anyways.
 

Optimus

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OK, this seems to have turned into the usual smokers vs. anti-smokers thread.

Certain member's opinions not withstanding, I'm not an anti-smoker, not by a long shot. However, I do wonder why no one has answered the following questions:

1) Do any smokers here think that it is OK or right to litter cig butts? If so - why?

2) 2nd Hand smoke is not a proven thing, true - but with some compelling evidence that it may indeed be harmful, why does a smoker have the right to force other people to have to breathe it - when these situations are easily avoided?

 

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<< 2) 2nd Hand smoke is not a proven thing, true - but with some compelling evidence that it may indeed be harmful, why does a smoker have the right to force other people to have to breathe it - when that is easily avoided? >>



How am I forcing a nonsmoker to breathe my secondhand smoke? A nonsmoker will breathe in more exhaust fumes from cars than they'll breathe in of my secondhand smoke. I go to a bar that allows smoking. I'm not forcing that nonsmoker to go to that bar. The restaurant that I light up a cigarette in in a smoking section is not forcing them to breathe in my secondhand smoke. They can go to a restaurant that doesn't allow any smoking in it. When I'm at work I smoke outside in a designated smoking area. I'm not forcing my nonsmoking co-workers to work with me while I'm smoking.



<< 1) Do any smokers here think that it is OK or right to litter cig butts? If so - why? >>



I never said it was right to flick my cig butt out the window. I never said it was okay. Have I done it before? Yes. But I never said I was in the right for doing it.
 

Jzero

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<< 2) 2nd Hand smoke is not a proven thing, true - but with some compelling evidence that it may indeed be harmful, why does a smoker have the right to force other people to have to breathe it - when that is easily avoided? >>



How am I forcing a nonsmoker to breathe my secondhand smoke? A nonsmoker will breathe in more exhaust fumes from cars than they'll breathe in of my secondhand smoke. I go to a bar that allows smoking. I'm not forcing that nonsmoker to go to that bar. The restaurant that I light up a cigarette in in a smoking section is not forcing them to breathe in my secondhand smoke. They can go to a restaurant that doesn't allow any smoking in it. When I'm at work I smoke outside in a designated smoking area. I'm not forcing my nonsmoking co-workers to work with me while I'm smoking.
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Exactly. If you don't want to breathe secondhand smoke, then it's your choice to go into smoky places or not. If you show up at a bowling alley that allows smoking, how exactly are smokers forcing you to inhale their smoke? If you don't like it, there are many non-smoking establishments you can patronize. I understand you were "stuck" at a party planned by someone else, but in that case the only person you should be mad at is the person who organized the party and "forced" you to endure the terrible taste of secondhand smoke and those awful heavy bowling balls.
Maybe you should discuss it with them and recommend that their child's next party be at a smoke-free place.
 

Aceman

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There is the real problem.

Nonsmokers these days feel that they have rights. It's not the smokers trying to exert their "rights". 20 years ago....Hell, 15 years ago you would have been thought as a nut to complain about smoking in an establishment. Smokers rarely are demanding "rights" to smoke where ever the please. (we ask for a segregated area free from listening to someone whine "Can you please put out that cigarette. I have allergies." It's the nonsmokers DEMANDING "rights" of not having to put up with secondhand smoke. All in the name of circumstancial evidence that secondhand smoke may be unsafe to their health.
 

Optimus

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Jzero:
Dude - your confusing me with murphyrulz :)

Aceman:

K - sounds like you are doing the right thing - not smoking in non-smoking sections, not throwing butts out the window, etc.

But yes - we DO have the right to not have to breathe your 2nd hand smoke. Let's assume that despite the evidence to the contrary, 2nd hand smoke is completely harmless - it still DOES trigger asthma, allergies, and nausea in many people - including my wife. All she and I need is to be able to choose the non-smoking section of a restaurant, to get in an out of buildings we work in - to be at work for that matter - among others.

None of that interferes too much with your smoking - its not too much to ask that your CHOICE to smoke not make her and those with the same conditions have to leave work, not eat out, etc.

Again - sounds like you are a respectful smoker and I have no problem with THAT.

 

Jzero

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<< Jzero:
Dude - your confusing me with murphyrulz :)
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Hmmm...it seems you're right. :)
I still support the idea that a smoker smoking in a place that allows smoking is in no way "forcing" secondhand smoke on nonsmokers.
The reverse? My brother and his fiancee both hate smoking. I'd say that in my own apartment it's my right to smoke, but I leave my pipes on the shelf when they come to visit so as not to force them to smoke.
And someone who is smoking in a nonsmoking establishment? Tell them to follow the rules, or ask the management to take care of them. I've asked a number of people at the casinos in AC to put out their cigarettes at non-smoking tables/machines. Nothing annoys me more than when someone who has an entire casino to smoke in chooses to smoke at one of maybe 20 slot machines that are in a non-smoking area.
And I smoke. Follow the dang rules.

OK, now on to the next bone of contention:
As a pipe smoker I often find myself blackballed from SMOKING establisments with this bizarre "no cigar or pipe smoking" policy that sometimes isn't even posted and is only enforced intermittently.
As if one form of tobacco smoke smoke is somehow more or less harmful than another. Or as if pipe smoke (which most people seem to like to smell more than ordinary cigarette smoke) is somehow any more or less unpleasant in a bar that's already full of cigarette smoke.
What is up with that? I can see it in restaurants because you can kick up a pretty cloud when you first light up, but in an already smoky bar? Think about it ;)
 

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<< None of that interferes too much with your smoking - its not too much to ask that your CHOICE to smoke not make her and those with the same conditions have to leave work, not eat out, etc. >>



By your standards anyone that smokes and does not bend over and compliantly show you their ass when you start your whine is not a ?respectful smoker?. As they say about respect, you got to give some to get some. Your earlier posts show you have quite a way to go before you receive any.
 

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<< None of that interferes too much with your smoking - its not too much to ask that your CHOICE to smoke not make her and those with the same conditions have to leave work, not eat out, etc. >>



By your standards anyone that smokes and does not bend over and compliantly show you their ass when you start your whine is not a ?respectful smoker?. As they say about respect, you got to give some to get some. Your earlier posts show you have quite a way to go before you receive any.
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LOL. Reread your posts on just the first page alone before you start telling others to be respectful.

 

Jimbo

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<< LOL. Reread your posts on just the first page alone before you start telling others to be respectful. >>


I'm not the one demanding it, d1ckwadd.
 

HappyPuppy

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With all the unjustified taxes we pay to enjoy ourselves, we have paid for the right to throw our butts anywhere we want to.