Why do routers suck? Help please :(

[Platypus]

Why are routers made so I cannot connect to another computer with a router through Netmeeting? Its a simple program, why cant that work? I can connect to computers without routers, but if I try to connect to my friend's it wont let me because of his router.

Is there any way around that?


Are there any programs that use static ports instead of NM's dynamic?

 

[wedi42]

you'll have to allow certain ports thru your router

more info form microsoft

 

[Platypus]

No, you didnt understand. NM uses dynamic ports, which means they change, which means I cannot connect to another computer with a router on it

 

[Pr0Hawk]

What router is he using?

 

[Platypus]

BUMP

 

[n0cmonkey]

This is a good example of why NAT is broken. Poorly coded programs trying to get around the bad hack of NAT... Anyhow, set yourself up in the dmz and forward all ports to your machine or drop the router.

 

[ojai00]

could it be that your friend's router has a firewall that won't let you access it? see if you can find anything about which port to free up.

 

[Russ]

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[Platypus]

I cannot use DMZ because my server is running on that.

 

[Platypus]

Bump

 

[n0cmonkey]

<< Bump >>


None of those links helped?

Wow, ok, try using a different IP address and be outside the router. If your setup cannot do what you need then you did not do enough planning.

 

[Russ]

Try reading the threads I just linked instead of bumping every 10 seconds.

Russ, NCNE

 

[n0cmonkey]

Oh, and OpenBSD +IPF/IPNAT or Linux + IPTables would be able to do this with probably little customization

 

[Platypus]

<< Try reading the threads I just linked instead of bumping every 10 seconds.

Russ, NCNE >>



I did, like I said, I cannot use DMZ, and my buddy is also using a router, so he cannot accept calls either..

 

[n0cmonkey]

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<< Try reading the threads I just linked instead of bumping every 10 seconds.

Russ, NCNE >>



I did, like I said, I cannot use DMZ, and my buddy is also using a router, so he cannot accept calls either.. >>



Then obviously the solution you tried was not robust enough to handle your use. Try looking for something more configurable and powerful.

 

[Platypus]

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<< Try reading the threads I just linked instead of bumping every 10 seconds.

Russ, NCNE >>



I did, like I said, I cannot use DMZ, and my buddy is also using a router, so he cannot accept calls either.. >>



Then obviously the solution you tried was not robust enough to handle your use. Try looking for something more configurable and powerful. >>



Ok how does this help me? I know about 1% about networking, and I dont have the money to get something more "configurable and powerful." I suppose I asked in the wrong place again.

 

[n0cmonkey]

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<< Try reading the threads I just linked instead of bumping every 10 seconds.

Russ, NCNE >>



I did, like I said, I cannot use DMZ, and my buddy is also using a router, so he cannot accept calls either.. >>



Then obviously the solution you tried was not robust enough to handle your use. Try looking for something more configurable and powerful. >>



Ok how does this help me? I know about 1% about networking, and I dont have the money to get something more "configurable and powerful." I suppose I asked in the wrong place again. >>



Well the solution you have now obviously will not do what you "need". You seem unwilling to do any of the suggestions because of other "needs". Sounded to me you need a kick in the butt to realize that what you are trying to do does not seem possible with the limitations you are placing on it. Therefore I see 3 options: 1. replace the "router" with another solution 2. obtain a second ip address for the server and remove it from the router setup 3. Stop using netmeeting and go over to this friend's house.

 

[Garion]

I think there's a huge point you're missing here. Most of these SOHO routers are designed to connect multiple computers to the Internet IN A SECURE MANNER. The router sees someone trying to connect to your computer from the Internet as an attack, and hence stops it. That's exactly what it's supposed to do.

Let's say you have five computers behind a router. Do you expect it to be psychic and mystically know which of the five computers you want to connect to, since they all share an outbound IP address?

SOHO routers are great, but they aren't magic. There are major convenience sacrifices to using them, when considering inbound connections. It takes some know-how and effort to set them up for a specific scenario. That's the price you pay for being able to use multiple computers on a single IP with decent security and without paying for a bunch of extra IP's.

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