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Why do routers have problems with bittorant?

Shawn

Shawn

Lifer
Finally replaced my old 11mbps linksys with a new TRENDnet 108mbps MIMO router. My old linksys would stop loading webpages after one or two torrents were downloading. I'm guessing the large amount of connections overloaded the router. Now with this new router I'm having the same problem. What the hell? I thought new routers wouldn't have this problem. I just returned a netgear router because of this.
 
Well I think i found my problem. There was one torrent which was trying to make over 700 connections. I limited the number of connections it could make and my internet connection came back.
 
I don't really have any understaning of the bittorrent protocol, but I would have assumed that the overhead involved in making 700 individual connections would have brought the computer to its knees long before the router clogged up. My internet connectivity gets sketchy when I'm running bittorrent at full speed, but it's because my upstream bandwidth is being choked by the torrent traffic -- not because of how many peers I'm connected to. I'm not sure I would blame the router.
 
Quote: Why do routers have problems with bittorant?:shocked:

Hmm, silly my, I always thought it is because they are honest and does not want to participate in this massive theft of Copyrighted material.:brokenheart:

:sun:
 
Originally posted by: JackMDS
Quote: Why do routers have problems with bittorant?:shocked:

Hmm, silly my, I always thought it is because they are honest and does not want to participate in this massive theft of Copyrighted material.:brokenheart:

:sun:
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I find your sense of sarcasm disturbing
 
Originally posted by: Phantronius
Originally posted by: JackMDS
Quote: Why do routers have problems with bittorant?:shocked:

Hmm, silly my, I always thought it is because they are honest and does not want to participate in this massive theft of Copyrighted material.:brokenheart:

:sun:
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I find your sense of sarcasm disturbing
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maybe that's because he finds your blatent piracy disturbing? (as do I)....

or wait, I'm sure it's all just linux CD's you have been downloading for the last few weeks/months/years...right?
 
Originally posted by: nweaver
Originally posted by: Phantronius
Originally posted by: JackMDS
Quote: Why do routers have problems with bittorant?:shocked:

Hmm, silly my, I always thought it is because they are honest and does not want to participate in this massive theft of Copyrighted material.:brokenheart:

:sun:
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I find your sense of sarcasm disturbing
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maybe that's because he finds your blatent piracy disturbing? (as do I)....

or wait, I'm sure it's all just linux CD's you have been downloading for the last few weeks/months/years...right?
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"Looks over hundreds of dollars worth of ripped movies and TV's shows on HDD"
Whats Linux? Was it a good show?
 
Originally posted by: JackMDS
Quote: Why do routers have problems with bittorant?:shocked:

Hmm, silly my, I always thought it is because they are honest and does not want to participate in this massive theft of Copyrighted material.:brokenheart:

:sun:
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I realize you were just making a joke (or at least a pithy observation 🙂 ), but I'd like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that copyright infringement, contrary to what the RIAA/MPAA would have you believe, is NOT theft (in the US at least). Copyright infringement is a civil matter, while theft is criminal. I'll spare the board my larger rant on this, since it has nothing to do with the OP's question. That is all.
 
This post is not addressing any one in particular.

?On the head of the thief, the hat is burning"

The above quote is a known very old proverb, not a factual, or legal statement.

It is used to describe a behavior that discloses ones guilt.

:sun:
 
Some of these low end home NAT devices labeled as routers aren't the biggest beasts out there. Trying to start hundreds of connections, and receiving a number of connections is going to clog the machine a bit. The CPUs are teeny weeny, and the ram is barely measured in megabytes (by today's standards 😉). Obviously this keeps power usage and heat production low. A tiny, quiet, and relatively cool (these things get hot, IMO) device that is quickly plug and play appeals to a lot of people. It did when I NEEDED to get a router ASAP.

They're typical consumer products: underpowered for even the averagest of geeks, but perfect for email, IM, and web browsing.

Internet connections can also become quite bogged down. Uploading in excess can often stifle downloads, and royally kills web browsing (which is why my brother's computer got unplugged from the internet daily :evil: ).
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
monkey,

Change your avatar back and get back in the NOC like I told you.
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People complained about the devil avatar because someone else was using it too. So I'm changing it daily until I get bored. 😛

And I'm currently sitting under a flashing red light (that is surprisingly noisy), and have been for the past few (~5-6) hours. It's driving me mad. 😕
 
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: spidey07
monkey,

Change your avatar back and get back in the NOC like I told you.
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People complained about the devil avatar because someone else was using it too. So I'm changing it daily until I get bored. 😛

And I'm currently sitting under a flashing red light (that is surprisingly noisy), and have been for the past few (~5-6) hours. It's driving me mad. 😕
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We like to keep you in cold places with lots of noise. When red light goes off, you pull handle. If you're lucky you'll get a snaky-treat as a reward.
😛
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: spidey07
monkey,

Change your avatar back and get back in the NOC like I told you.
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People complained about the devil avatar because someone else was using it too. So I'm changing it daily until I get bored. 😛

And I'm currently sitting under a flashing red light (that is surprisingly noisy), and have been for the past few (~5-6) hours. It's driving me mad. 😕
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We like to keep you in cold places with lots of noise. When red light goes off, you pull handle. If you're lucky you'll get a snaky-treat as a reward.
😛
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Can I have some catsup too?
 
Anyway, to get back on topic.. It's usually the UPloading of the torrent that kills your network for web browsing. WHen I have ABC open and it's uploading with no cap on it, I will have a hard time browsing the internet from any othe computer in my house. But if I go put a cap on the upload speed, then everything else starts working jsut fine. I don't have to touch the download speed at all.

My top speed is around 59 Kbps or so for upload and I cap it at around 45-50 and that's all it takes. It doesn't affect the downloading at all but instantly helps the rest of my network start getting online again.
 
Originally posted by: nweaver
Originally posted by: Phantronius
Originally posted by: JackMDS
Quote: Why do routers have problems with bittorant?:shocked:

Hmm, silly my, I always thought it is because they are honest and does not want to participate in this massive theft of Copyrighted material.:brokenheart:

:sun:
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I find your sense of sarcasm disturbing
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maybe that's because he finds your blatent piracy disturbing? (as do I)....

or wait, I'm sure it's all just linux CD's you have been downloading for the last few weeks/months/years...right?
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Or it could be the indy films and small productions that he's helping support by helping host their videos(like say Star Wars Revelations) or small open dev houses like the guys behind Babylon 5: I Found Her who can't afford to pay for a good file host so use BT as it was meant to be used to distribute large files cheaply with the help of some loyal fans.

Perhaps he participates in a fan edit project that uses BT to cheaply and quickly allow the spread of the work load.

There are a lot of good uses for BT besides pirating.
 
Originally posted by: Baenwort
There are a lot of good uses for BT besides pirating.
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Nope, not when 99% of the content is pirated.

Your statement is completely false. That is like trying to say "alt.binaries has plenty of good uses such as the distribution of porn"

There are no good uses for P2P other than sharing illegal crap, otherwise if the contect was worthwhile it would be hosted.
 
There are no good uses for P2P other than sharing illegal crap, otherwise if the contect was worthwhile it would be hosted.
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And there are no good uses for guns other than killing people...
 
Originally posted by: Nothinman
There are no good uses for P2P other than sharing illegal crap, otherwise if the contect was worthwhile it would be hosted.
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And there are no good uses for guns other than killing people...
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Hmm.. Not very accurate, you can kill birds and other things as well.:shocked:

:sun:

 
Hmm.. Not very accurate, you can kill birds and other things as well.
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I know it's not a 1:1 comparison, but you do get the point. Any technology can be abused, saying there's absolultely 0 good uses for any P2P protcol simply because they've become popular with software and media pirates is pretty short sighted IMO. Hell, if that's all it took to determine of a protocol was worthless or not we should have started labeling IRC and FTP as evil 15 years ago.
 
IRC it self is not worthless or evil, using it when it is Not appropriate is a problem.

I had unpleasant situations with people under my supervision. Their work requires paying close attention, both visually and verbally, to the person that sits in front of them. Many negative issues started because they would get sidetrack by the Instant thingies flashing on their computer.

Their Job per-se did not involve a need for ?Instant? , on the contrary, it is a type of work that you need to force yourself to make sure that you are taking the time to make the right decision, not the fast one.

IRC was used for personal and social reasons, and end up hindering their work.

These are high level professionals that are hard to find, and constant revolving door of hiring and firing is worse.

So we Blocked the "evil".

:sun:
 
I know several admins who say IRC is worthless, and have been known to block it...
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No doubt, but the same can be said for probably 90% of the entries in my /etc/services file. I wouldn't want users at work chatting on IRC just as much as I wouldn't want them eating all of my bandwidth with bittorrent, checking their personal mail via POP/IMAP or anything else not essential for work.
 
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