Why do ppl Hate Rambus So much?

cardart

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i've read many posts where users dont like rambus. I dont use it, but i dont c any reasons to hate it. Its faster than DDR and pretty cheap. Maybe not cheaper than ddr of course.
 

BD231

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Because the people who make it are greedy a**holes....., or at least thats what everyone says around here.
 

RaiderJ

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I personally don't dislike Rambus or RDRAM, but I don't care much for paying more (Intel + RDRAM) for something that performs just as well as a cheaper setup (Athlon + DDRAM).
 

AGodspeed

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In a very tiny nutshell, Rambus did a bunch of stupid things. They lied to JEDEC (who oversees the standardization of memory technology) for their own financial gain. They?ve taken almost every memory manufacturer on the planet to court because they claim they own the rights to those technologies (specifically all SDRAM technology, which is somewhere over 90% of the market today). In addition, Rambus sought to obtain royalties on all the SDRAM that has been sold in the past few years (which is a ridiculous request even if Rambus did own all SDRAM patents, which they certainly don?t).

Put simply, Rambus as a company is despicable. However, that?s no reason to hate their memory technology, which is quite exceptional for certain processors (like the Pentium 4 for example). People shouldn?t hate Rambus?s memory technology, but they?re free to hate Rambus?s business tactics. :)
 

McCarthy

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Because it used to be insanely expensive with the Rambus folks basically saying "suckers" and later when they realized that wasn't working the prices dropped.

Besides, I got out of the habit of installing memory in pairs back in the Pentium classic days.

--Mc
 

RanDum72

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There was also the time when they tried to pair off RDRAM to the Pentium 3. It even slowed things down.
 

HardWareXpert

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It's stupid anyway, SDRAM and DDR are just as expenisve as RDRAM and not so long ago 256Mb SDRAM was well over £150-£200.

Wish people would get there facts straight.
 

Migroo

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<< Because I read Rand's sig. >>



LOL

That, and its very (or it was at least) expensive.
 

HardWareXpert

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<< There was also the time when they tried to pair off RDRAM to the Pentium 3. It even slowed things down. >>



Thats because it was not designed for the P3 at all, besides the FSB was a bottleneck even with SDRAM.
 

SteelCityFan

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<< There was also the time when they tried to pair off RDRAM to the Pentium 3. It even slowed things down. >>



This was more an Intel thing than a Rambus thing. And look, it turned out for the best. If they had held onto RDRAM until the release of the P4, we would probably still be seeing the absurd prices. Since it has been out for a long time now (Since the P3), the price has dropped to below DDR. Check the prices. Name brand vs Name Brand, DDR is more expensive. It evens out though since the RDRAM MoBo's are a little more expensive.

Maybe Intel had this plan all along. People working for Intel are not dumb, and they kne it was hurting P3 performance, but they obviously were looking ahead.
 

madthumbs

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Rambus could be the same price as DDR because those frivolous lawsuits were expensive, and the cost I'm sure has to be made up somewhere. We can all thank Rambus for higher ram prices.
 

Texmaster

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<< i've read many posts where users dont like rambus. I dont use it, but i dont c any reasons to hate it. Its faster than DDR and pretty cheap. Maybe not cheaper than ddr of course. >>



Because some people get it in their warped little minds that some companies are actually better than others morally.
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They all want only one thing. Our money! :D

There are no morals in business. The sooner some of you figure that out the better off you will be.
 

Athlon4all

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The reason most dislike Rambus the company is because they have used some very shady business practices and still do at times. Sadly, many decide to shuffle their dislike not just to Rambus but to RDRAM the Memory, which is sad. RDRAM is good stuff for the P4, but many refuse to use it.
 

GrumpyMan

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<< In a very tiny nutshell, Rambus did a bunch of stupid things. They lied to JEDEC (who oversees the standardization of memory technology) for their own financial gain. They?ve taken almost every memory manufacturer on the planet to court because they claim they own the rights to those technologies (specifically all SDRAM technology, which is somewhere over 90% of the market today). In addition, Rambus sought to obtain royalties on all the SDRAM that has been sold in the past few years (which is a ridiculous request even if Rambus did own all SDRAM patents, which they certainly don?t). Put simply, Rambus as a company is despicable. However, that?s no reason to hate their memory technology, which is quite exceptional for certain processors (like the Pentium 4 for example). People shouldn?t hate Rambus?s memory technology, but they?re free to hate Rambus?s business tactics. :) >>



Ditto, well said.
 

zemus

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"i've read many posts where users dont like rambus. I dont use it, but i dont c any reasons to hate it. Its faster than DDR and pretty cheap. Maybe not cheaper than ddr of course. "


I hate it becuase it's not really that fast, and the things it does do good are not really important to me. The P4/rambus combo is essentially moving PC's back to the dumb terminal, simply a playback and record device

Thats the factual stuff anyway, now onto the other personal things

I hate how they have tried to lie about it's performance, trying to pretend that media encoding and sandra is actually important to the average computer user to justify there product

I hate the company in general for it's attempt to pull a fast on on the whole industry

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Rambus does indeeed have a purpose, but not in a general computer. I hate how they have tried to make need for it in an area that has no need for it. Paralell will do us just fine for some time to come
 

andreasl

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I think generally the hatred towards Rambus has decreased lately as prices of their RAM has decreased. Most people disliked it back in the i820 days because of the insane prices and they were generally swept away by the more vocal small minority who hated the company because of it's business practices, or rather what they percieved was the company's business practices (Most never realised that such conduct was almost everyday practice in Silicon Valley). What is left now are mostly only the hard-liners while the rest have moved on :)

There are extremists in all areas, not just in politics and religion it seems.
 

Rand

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I have nothing against DRDRAM as a technology, it definitely has it's advantages and there are assuredly some areas in which it is an excellent solution.
I do not believe it is well suited to the mainstream X86 desktop market, and even less suited towards the high end server or mobile markets but there are some markets wherein DRDRAM is an extremely good solution.

As a company- I despise Rambus. There whole fiasco with JEDEC was sickening, going against all JEDEC regulations and practices, blatantly stealing open JEDED technology and obtaining patents on technology that was supposed to be shared. Claiming royalties on patents they did not own. Rather harshly attempting to make some rather shjady deals to curtail all production of non-DRDRAM memory.

This is only lightly touching on the surface aspects, but as a company I despise Rambus with a passion. Their not a company of engineers.... their a company of lawyers that steal technology and sue DRAM/chipset manufacturers for anything and everything under the sun.

I also dislike Rambus for the extremely disgusting deal they and Intel dug up together that effectively prevented Intel from making any non DRDRAM chipsets for a period of a number of years before Intel got out of that deal.

There are very few corporations I do like..., but Rambus is one of a handful of corporations that I absolutely dispise with a passion. And they hold the dubious honor of being the single corporation where I honestly cannot say even a single positive thing about them.




<< Because I read Rand's sig. >>



Thank you :)

Rambus (The Company, not DRAM) is SUCK!
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kgraeme

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I'll just agree with Rand instead of spelling it all out again.

As for Texmaster, yes all companies want your money. But most don't resort to blatantly illegal practices.