Why do people who commit suicide seem like they have some sort of inside info that we don't know?

[Mayne]

I just don't understand it. What do they know that we don't know?

 

[IronWing]

Through early morning fog I see
Visions of the things to be
The pains that are withheld for me
I realize and I can see
That suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
I can take or leave it if I please
That game of life is hard to play
I'm gonna lose it anyway
The losing card of some delay
So this is all I have to say
That suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
I can take or leave it if I please
The sword of time will pierce our skin
It doesn't hurt when it begins
But as it works its way on in
The pain grows stronger, watch it burn
That suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
And I can take or leave it if I please
A brave man once requested me
To answer questions that are key
Is it to be or not to be
And I replied oh why ask me
That suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
And I can take or leave it if I...
That suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
I can take or leave it if I please
That suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
And you can do the same thing if you please

 

[Mayne]

mash song?

 

[IronWing]

yep

 

[SKORPI0]

We'll never surely know 100%. Probably despair and the only way out for them is ending their lives.
Famous people like Robin Williams, Kate Spade and Anthony Bourdain come into mind. But it's sadly common, regardless of fame or fortune.

 

[Mayne]

I wish they would leave a detailed suicide note so we know what the fuck they were thinking...is that too much to ask?

 

[brianmanahan]

an overwhelming self-hatred and a neverending voice that assures them the world would have been and will be a better place without them

at least that is what a buddy of mine had alluded to, not long before he killed himself 12 years ago

 

[Mayne]

an overwhelming self-hatred and the neverending voice that assures you the world would have been and will be a better place without you

how you know that brian? anthany bourdain was universally loved for his thoughts...he must of known this to be true.

 

[brianmanahan]

how you know that brian? anthany bourdain was universally loved for his thoughts...he must of known this to be true.

a buddy of mine mentioned feeling like that not long before he killed himself. he was good looking, came from a rich family and had just graduated college. life looked like it was going to be great for him. i didn't know how to respond so basically told him that was ridiculous, he had so much going for him, so he kinda laughed it off and agreed and said he didn't know what had gotten into him.

 

[JulesMaximus]

They don’t. They see death as a solution to problems or thoughts that you have never experienced. Most people can’t relate to that reality.

 

[Mayne]

i want to know these problems, i can't sleep not knowing.

 

[boomerang]

Robin Williams had Lewy body dementia. His wife and probably him too thought it was Parkinson's but the coroner determined that it was actually Lewy body dementia. I always found RW to be very entertaining but he was often way over the top. I have a sister who is bipolar and worked with a guy who was also. I'm not going to say that RW was bipolar but he appeared to me to have a mental illness. One that led to a tremendous amount of creativity but one that had a dark side to it also.

Spade and Bourdain suffered from depression. Spade had been dealing with it for a long, long time and reportedly refused treatment. That's what we know right now.

Bourdain also was dealing with depression and was candid about it with friends. Some people are linking his depression to his heroin addiction but he had kicked that decades earlier. I don't know enough to know whether there was a cause and effect that could bridge that time span or not.

Having said that, we hear a lot about the opioid crisis but little about the negative effects of the mass prescribing of medications for depression. All one has to do is listen to any 60 second or in some cases 120 second commercial for some antidepressants to learn that one of the possible side effects is "suicidal thoughts or actions". Yes, the medication that is supposed to make your life happier may just make you want to kill yourself. It might make you want to kill others. Not good.

 

[Mayne]

I hate pills.

 

[xes]

Sometimes you just run out of "fight". The effort to interact with others, to appear "ok". To just carry on every day, even though it takes every thing you have to even get out of bed, or to eat, or talk, or to sleep.. Eventually you have no strength left. When every day seems worse than yesterday, and everything inside you is telling you tomorrow will be worse.... Can you tell me how you'd cope with this, for weeks, for years, for decades?

 

[boomerang]

I hate pills.

I hear ya. They all have side effects. My dad had spinal stenosis among other things. They wanted to do surgery on him but he was afraid to have them work on his spine. The alternative was pain pills. They do a real number on your kidneys which is a bit of a dirty secret. His official cause of death was renal failure.

 

[SKORPI0]

I just wonder what thought process come into play and making that decision that ending their lives is the only answer. It's sad to see in the news/from a friend that someone famous/a person you know committed suicide.

 

[Thebobo]

Psychedelics are being used to help treat depression. I'm talking mild doses not tripping balls as you experts here are familiar with.

https://www.webmd.com/depression/news/20171114/psychedelic-drug-might-ease--depression-alcoholism#1

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

a buddy of mine mentioned feeling like that not long before he killed himself. he was good looking, came from a rich family and had just graduated college. life looked like it was going to be great for him. i didn't know how to respond so basically told him that was ridiculous, he had so much going for him, so he kinda laughed it off and agreed and said he didn't know what had gotten into him.

I know I'm probably going to sound like an asshole here - but I've kinda centered on and have realized that that many suicides are due in part to an attention whoring personality that goes too far. It's never enough. They can never fully fill that void.

Perfect examples are celebrities in general - Robin Williams, Linkin Park singer (Chester), list goes on and on. What could they possibly have in life that is depressing? You could literally BUY anything to solve any potential problems. It really just sounds like an endless void of attention seeking that they can never fully fill.

To me - it honestly makes perfect sense with people who choose to change genders. It's not about society not "accepting" them IMO - it's just attention seeking. Mr. Jenner is (yet another) perfect example. It wasn't for any reason other than attention. Connect that with the suicide rate in third world countries being microscopic compared to first world ones. It's almost as if people have too much shit to worry about instead of "how will I feed myself?".

 

[Thebobo]

Its all chemicals in the brain not hard to have a wacky molecule here or there. It's amazing any of us are sane or not depressed.

 

[brianmanahan]

I've kinda centered on and have realized that that many suicides are due in part to an attention whoring personality that goes too far. It's never enough. They can never fully fill that void.

Perfect examples are celebrities in general - Robin Williams, Linkin Park singer (Chester), list goes on and on. What could they possibly have in life that is depressing? You could literally BUY anything to solve any potential problems. It really just sounds like an endless void of attention seeking that they can never fully fill.

despite being from a well-to-do family, that wasn't my friend's personality at all. we were probably the most shy guys in the class when we met, which is kind of how we started talking in the first place.

in the majority of cases, i don't think depression is a problem that can be solved by money. even though many people think so, i think that's a simplistic and incorrect opinion.

I know I'm probably going to sound like an asshole here

you called it

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

despite being from a well-to-do family, that wasn't my friend's personality at all. we were probably the most shy guys in the class when we met, which is kind of how we started talking in the first place.

in the majority of cases, i don't think depression is a problem that can be solved by money. even though many people think so, i think that's a simplistic and incorrect opinion.

you called it

Eh, sounding like an asshole or not - it is an opinion. If we all just dismiss opinions of others automatically because it doesn't align with oneself - who is truly the ignorant one?

There is no question that suicide is a "first world" problem. It's quite obviously that having the ability to not have think about important things like "How am I going to eat?" plays a role.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Eh, sounding like an asshole or not - it is an opinion. If we all just dismiss opinions of others automatically because it doesn't align with oneself - who is truly the ignorant one?

There is no question that suicide is a "first world" problem. It's quite obviously that having the ability to not have think about important things like "How am I going to eat?" plays a role.

No. Your "opinion" is wrong.

"Suicide is a global phenomenon; in fact, 78% of suicides occurred in low- and middle-income countries in 2015. Suicide accounted for 1.4% of all deaths worldwide, making it the 17th leading cause of death in 2015."

http://www.who.int/mental_health/prevention/suicide/suicideprevent/en/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

 

[brianmanahan]

There is no question that suicide is a "first world" problem.

the data doesn't really seem to back that up when looking at suicide rates by country on wikipedia. it doesn't look like the majority of the top 50 countries would be considered "first world":

 

[GeekDrew]

Sometimes you just run out of "fight". The effort to interact with others, to appear "ok". To just carry on every day, even though it takes every thing you have to even get out of bed, or to eat, or talk, or to sleep.. Eventually you have no strength left. When every day seems worse than yesterday, and everything inside you is telling you tomorrow will be worse.... Can you tell me how you'd cope with this, for weeks, for years, for decades?

This is the closest response posted thus far that seems reasonable to me.

I've been depressed and suicidal quite a few times. There's an overwhelming "literally nothing anywhere is ok" feeling. There's little-to-no reason to believe that improvement is possible (much less likely). It has nothing to do with money, or wanting attention. It's complete and utter despair. It's not possible to apply logic and reason to it, and it can't be "cured" or mitigated using any kind of objective reasoning; everything about depression is subjective. Long-term work on the underlying reasons for the depression (be those chemical, or earnest beliefs, or deep-seated fears, or whatever) is the only thing I think ever really helps (in my personal opinion and experience).

 

[HeXen]

I wish they would leave a detailed suicide note so we know what the fuck they were thinking...is that too much to ask?

Some do. Look up suicide notes.