Why do people have to give uman characteristics to everything around them? It's annoying, really.

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gar3555

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i like how the OP drops all interest as soon as proof is provided...typical troll action.
 

xeemzor

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Originally posted by: Arcadio
Originally posted by: Raduque
I want you banned because the forum is stupider for having you on it.

This is the off topic section. You can discuss any topic you want, as long as it doesn't belong in any other forum section. And as long as it is not against the rules.

I haven't broken any rules.

Posting numerous idiotic threads is a violation of the unwritten rules. See what happened to Jerboy. I should dig up that scroll pic for kicks...
 
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I haven't had many ets of my own, but I've certainly been around a number that exhibited uman characteristics. I've had a at and a og, which are the obvious ets that most people grow up with. Really, it was my rother who was big into nimals. While I was growing up he had a ockatiel, an assortment of eptiles, primarily nakes and urtles, though he also had some izards and an guana. He had alamanders, eckos, and a wide variety of tropical ish (and some oi now that I think about it). He even rescued a eaver, which lived in our backyard for a while. While some of these nimals, particularly the eptiles, mphibians and ish, didn't exhibit stereotypically uman behavior, the ammals all did (including the eaver who was a real ornery son of a itch).

I think my point is that you're an diot.
 

MrDudeMan

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To say animals don't have emotions is absolutely absurd. My dog loves me more than anyone else and it is very obvious. When I come home from work, she practically has a heart attack from all the excitement. She loves my wife too, but she only acts this way for me. She is obviously very happy to see me.

If you pick up a water bottle, she flees to her cage in another room with her tail between her legs immediately. She is deathly afraid of the water bottle. If she hears bath water, she will curl up under/behind me wherever I am because she knows it's almost time to get in. If I open the treat jar in the kitchen, she will stop what she is doing right that instant and fly into the kitchen with her tail going 100mph.

My cats are also extremely different but from the same litter. One is the most curious little shit you've ever seen and the other wants nothing more than to have your attention. We love them to death and it is obvious they love us in return. They will find us anywhere in the house and constantly rub on our hands/legs if we aren't actively petting them. Why would they do this if they weren't capable of feeling happy?

Sometimes both cats are extremely social and want nothing more than to be in your lap, but sometimes they want to just be left alone. It's a mood swing if I've ever seen one. This is certainly not behavior you would expect from an emotionless animal.

My dog will bark and show her teeth if she feels threatened. Why would she behave like this if she didn't feel fear/anger or want to protect us? Just because something is an instinct doesn't mean it isn't fueled by emotion. Animals know what is going on based on your tone and volume or simply your body language. They know when it is play time and when it isn't. None of this would be possible unless they had the cognitive ability to sense our emotions to a degree and act accordingly.
 

0roo0roo

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animals have emotions.
some people take things too far of course but its based on ignorance like yours. what animals brains can and cannot do has been tested scientifically.
 

Bateluer

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Animals damn well experience emotions. Maybe not complex emotions, such as regret, but they definitely experience happiness, fear, sadness, and guilt.
 

imported_Baloo

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The silliest notion ever is that animals do not have the capacity for emotion. That could not be farther from the truth. They have the full range of emotions humans have, but lack the ability to cognitively overrule there emotions;Their behavior is driven by emotion more so than humans. That's why we call them animals, because they act like animals. Ironic that when people say people act like animals, they mean they are letting their emotions get the best of them.
 

Arcadio

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Originally posted by: gar3555
i like how the OP drops all interest as soon as proof is provided...typical troll action.

I have a job, you know. Besides, it takes time to read all those articles. Owever, as I said before, I will accept defeat if the studies are convincing. I am not a troll.
 

OutHouse

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OP is a idiot.

pets do show emotion. ever scare a cat? or dog? thats an emotion. ever piss off a dog and raises its hair, thats an emotion. ever come home and you dog is happy to see you by wagging its tail? thats an emotion...
 

Arcadio

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Originally posted by: Citrix
OP is a idiot.

pets do show emotion. ever scare a cat? or dog? thats an emotion. ever piss off a dog and raises its hair, thats an emotion. ever come home and you dog is happy to see you by wagging its tail? thats an emotion...

I provided my explanation for that kind of behavior. It has nothing to do with real emotions. Just like if I write a program for a robot with advanced AI. The robot will act as if it felt emotions, but deep inside, it's just the way it's programmed.
 

Throckmorton

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Originally posted by: Arcadio
Originally posted by: krunchykrome


so animals aren't capable of feeling emotion? Pet's don't miss their owners....?

No. Of course not. If they display some behavior that looks like they miss their owners it is because that behavior has been selected by breeders for thousands of years because it emulates real uman behavior. Umans MADE domestic pets.

What you are saying is ridiculous. Mammals are all capable of emotion and it's part of our evolutionary history. I don't know if you realize this but dogs are pack animals, just like us. They NEED emotions like loneliness and happiness to survive in the wild.
 

yhelothar

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Originally posted by: Arcadio
Originally posted by: Citrix
OP is a idiot.

pets do show emotion. ever scare a cat? or dog? thats an emotion. ever piss off a dog and raises its hair, thats an emotion. ever come home and you dog is happy to see you by wagging its tail? thats an emotion...

I provided my explanation for that kind of behavior. It has nothing to do with real emotions. Just like if I write a program for a robot with advanced AI. The robot will act as if it felt emotions, but deep inside, it's just the way it's programmed.

Nice try on your theory, but it's incorrect. Animal emotions, such as from a dog or cat is no different than human emotions. Biologically, the same thing is occuring in the brain.

Mammals are very social animals and emotion plays a very large role in social interaction.
 

TheVrolok

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Originally posted by: Arcadio
Originally posted by: Citrix
OP is a idiot.

pets do show emotion. ever scare a cat? or dog? thats an emotion. ever piss off a dog and raises its hair, thats an emotion. ever come home and you dog is happy to see you by wagging its tail? thats an emotion...

I provided my explanation for that kind of behavior. It has nothing to do with real emotions. Just like if I write a program for a robot with advanced AI. The robot will act as if it felt emotions, but deep inside, it's just the way it's programmed.

That analogy is not sound. No one programmed a cat to emulate human behavior. You're equating a human designing a machine to simulate human emotional response with just the way animals are by birth. Unless I guess you're saying that you believe some Creator just intended these emotionless things to ACT like they had emotions so they could better serve as pets for humans? ...
 

Arcadio

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Originally posted by: TheVrolok
Originally posted by: Arcadio
Originally posted by: Citrix
OP is a idiot.

pets do show emotion. ever scare a cat? or dog? thats an emotion. ever piss off a dog and raises its hair, thats an emotion. ever come home and you dog is happy to see you by wagging its tail? thats an emotion...

I provided my explanation for that kind of behavior. It has nothing to do with real emotions. Just like if I write a program for a robot with advanced AI. The robot will act as if it felt emotions, but deep inside, it's just the way it's programmed.

That analogy is not sound. No one programmed a cat to emulate human behavior. You're equating a human designing a machine to simulate human emotional response with just the way animals are by birth. Unless I guess you're saying that you believe some Creator just intended these emotionless things to ACT like they had emotions so they could better serve as pets for humans? ...

Umans have shaped the behavior and physical characteristics of pets to fit a friendly uman-like standard for thousands of years. Dogs and cats did not display these emotion-like behaviors originally. It's all selective breeding. People select and breed the animals that display an attractive characteristic. If by some weird mutation a dog started making a sound similar to uman laughter, that dog would immediately be selected for breeding, just for that reason, even though the laughing sound has nothing to do with happiness. We created those "pet emotions". It's all an external behavior that pleases us pet owners.
 

Raiden256

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First: If you're supposed to be some kind of serious poster, then WTF is your deal about spelling HUMAN without the "H"? Is this some stance you're taking or just willful ignorance? Inquiring minds, and the rest of ATOT, want to know.

Second: Excepting as it relates to the endocrine system and the associated effect on aggression / docility / etc, you can't breed behavior --- only characteristics. We've had our 10yo dogs since they were a couple weeks old, and lemme tell you, they're every bit as emotional as our 2 and 5yo kids.

[*]Can you tell me why my dog cowers under my desk when fireworks are going off?
[*]Can you tell me why my dog, who every other day greets me like an insane speed-freak, acts all sheepish and guilty when I walk in the door on a day when she has had an accident in the house?
[*]Can you tell me why my last dog lost her appetite and moped around the house for a month when she lost her eyesite?
[*]Can you tell me why my dogs get made and start kicking their feet when my wife sits at her desk and works? (hell, even I can't explain that one?)
[*]Can you tell me why my dogs absolutely lose their mind with excitement when I ask them if they want to go for a walk?
[*]Can you tell me why my dog, after nearly dying by choking, wouldn't leave the side of my wife (who saved his life) for almost a week?

I mean seriously, you just need to get a dog, and live with it for a few years. Let it sleep with you, sit with you on the couch and otherwise become a member of your family. Your eyes will be opened. If you don't understand by then, then I submit that you have a fundamental lack of understanding of what emotion is.

PS: Don't forget to answer #1 above.